Race change token is disappointing...

kmcaj

Race change token is disappointing even for free. It shouldn't be called something so misleading. Shady.

Intextio

How is it shady? It changes your race. Like WTF?

Jeremy

kmcaj wrote: »

Race change token is disappointing even for free. It shouldn't be called something so misleading. Shady.

You probably going to get locked.

But I agree. They should have included any race any alliance option with the token. Luckily I pre-ordered the Imperial Edition so I'm in the clear.

kmcaj

Intextio wrote: »

How is it shady? It changes your race. Like WTF?

It should be called 'pick from a couple other races unless you pay more money token'.

Sheezabeast

If you didn't have that to begin with, why would ZOS include it? Those of us who paid for it deserve the ability to pick any race, and with the ability to buy Crown items for gold, you can /EASILY/ pick it up and have the choice the rest of us paid for.

wsmith97ub17_ESO

entitled brats

VaranisArano

We didnt need another thread.

Yes, the text could be clearer to make it more obvious that it does not give access to races not in your faction unless you also buy the Adventurer Pack, because this is a recurring point of confusion for players.

But we already had a thread about this. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460823/race-change-token-is-a-disappointment

kmcaj

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If you didn't have that to begin with, why would ZOS include it? Those of us who paid for it deserve the ability to pick any race, and with the ability to buy Crown items for gold, you can /EASILY/ pick it up and have the choice the rest of us paid for.

why you going off? it's a change race token. should be able to change races. not pick of two.

Edaphon

kmcaj wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If you didn't have that to begin with, why would ZOS include it? Those of us who paid for it deserve the ability to pick any race, and with the ability to buy Crown items for gold, you can /EASILY/ pick it up and have the choice the rest of us paid for.

why you going off? it's a change race token. should be able to change races. not pick of two.

You are able to change races. The token works exactly as advertised.

max_only

This is the difference between the people who laugh at Caution:Hot on cups and people who know the full story.

Adding a little more descriptive text is a valid request. No need to jump on their back.

Sheezabeast

kmcaj wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If you didn't have that to begin with, why would ZOS include it? Those of us who paid for it deserve the ability to pick any race, and with the ability to buy Crown items for gold, you can /EASILY/ pick it up and have the choice the rest of us paid for.

why you going off? it's a change race token. should be able to change races. not pick of two.

Because it's silly to think that you were entitled to paid content when offered a free race change token. If you only had the races to pick from from your own alliance before, why would that change? There are so many ways to make gold in the game, saving to buy the Any Race Any Alliance *upgrade* is simpler than it used to be. If you need help finding a reputable crown seller, there are ways to organize that, depending on your platform and server.

Bouldercleave

You can change your race within your alliance unless you have purchased one of the several ways to get "Any race any alliance"

I'm not sure why people think ZoS is the bad guy here. A large portion of the community has already obtained that in some way or another. Those that don't have can choose if they see value in purchasing it or not. They have not been shady or secretive about this at all.

MLGProPlayer

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

VexingArcanist

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You can change your race within your alliance unless you have purchased one of the several ways to get "Any race any alliance"

No, no you can't. You can not change your race to any alliance simply by having a race change and "Any race anywhere" or whatever it is called. Currently there is NO method to change alliance, at all.

Sheezabeast

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Definition of anti-consumer: not favorable to consumers : improperly favoring the interests of businesses over the interests of consumers.

Merriam-Webster definition of anti-consumer. ZOS went from offering 1 token and no name change, to offering 3, and including 3 name change tokens. They also ran sales on the tokens in the store. Not to mention they just recently gifted us the Murkmire DLC as a daily reward, and the Summerset event gave us several nice free things for minimal effort. I would hardly call that being anti-consumer.

Bouldercleave

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

MLGProPlayer

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

Bouldercleave

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

MLGProPlayer

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

Bam_Bam

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

Do you get panic attacks whenever they introduce new things or change stuff, then?

Sheezabeast

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

You realize the very act of ZOS extending the courtesy to three, and adding name changes, as well as discounting the tokens, is literally the opposite of anti-consumerism. If they had only given us the one, I could understand being unhappy. But now that you can have an additional character slot, NOTHING is stopping you from creating a new character of the desired race you want to pick, it will just be the alliance tied to that race, unless you have Any Race Any Alliance unlocked. ZOS gives you so many ways to boost XP that it takes little time, even on tight schedules, to grind out a new character to max level. Your whining is truely falling on deaf ears.

MLGProPlayer

Sheezabeast wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

You realize the very act of ZOS extending the courtesy to three, and adding name changes, as well as discounting the tokens, is literally the opposite of anti-consumerism. If they had only given us the one, I could understand being unhappy. But now that you can have an additional character slot, NOTHING is stopping you from creating a new character of the desired race you want to pick, it will just be the alliance tied to that race, unless you have Any Race Any Alliance unlocked. ZOS gives you so many ways to boost XP that it takes little time, even on tight schedules, to grind out a new character to max level. Your whining is truely falling on deaf ears.

- Some people might not have any spare slots
- Some people might have more than 3 characters
- Some people want their main to be optimised

Them giving us or discounting a virtual good with no production cost attached to it isn't generosity. It doesn't cost them anything (unless you're counting opportunity cost, but that is weighed against consumer anger).

Bouldercleave

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

No it's not - it's capitalism.

We just made changes to the 2019 BMW X5 to guess what? Get people to spend more money.

Megatto

Unbelievable. You get free stuff and you STILL complain.

Taleof2Cities

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

- Some people might not have any spare slots
- Some people might have more than 3 characters
- Some people want their main to be optimised

The vast majority of players aren’t going to feel a noticeable change in gameplay.

Which is why this thread (and the complaints within) are irrelevant.

MLGProPlayer

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

No it's not - it's capitalism.

We just made changes to the 2019 BMW X5 to guess what? Get people to spend more money.

That's a new product. They didn't disable a key feature on your BMW and then tell you that you need to pay money to get it back.

Bouldercleave

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

No it's not - it's capitalism.

We just made changes to the 2019 BMW X5 to guess what? Get people to spend more money.

That's a new product. They didn't disable a key feature on your BMW and then tell you that you need to pay money to get it back.

They didn't disable a key feature of this game either. Stop being dramatic.

Sheezabeast

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

LOL, ok.... You still don't NEED to spend $20.00. You don't NEED to change your race. You CHOOSE to chase the meta and feel entitled to the ability to do that for free.

That's not entitlement. Making changes that encourage people to spend money is anti-consumerist.

You realize the very act of ZOS extending the courtesy to three, and adding name changes, as well as discounting the tokens, is literally the opposite of anti-consumerism. If they had only given us the one, I could understand being unhappy. But now that you can have an additional character slot, NOTHING is stopping you from creating a new character of the desired race you want to pick, it will just be the alliance tied to that race, unless you have Any Race Any Alliance unlocked. ZOS gives you so many ways to boost XP that it takes little time, even on tight schedules, to grind out a new character to max level. Your whining is truely falling on deaf ears.

- Some people might not have any spare slots
- Some people might have more than 3 characters
- Some people want their main to be optimised

Them giving us or discounting a virtual good with no production cost attached to it isn't generosity. It doesn't cost them anything (unless you're counting opportunity cost, but that is weighed against consumer anger).

ZOS literally just increased everyone's character slots by one, did you not know? How could someone not have that available, since it was just given to us?

What you find optimal is moot when the company has to consider the entire player base. If you're a meta-chaser on your main, you're gonna have a hard time...because as you would know if you chased meta, that the meta ALWAYS CHANGES.

No production cost? Do you not realize they pay artists to design items, and people to code them? The tokens do have a cost to the company. Discounting them is a courtesy, considering the entire crown store is considered a convenience shop. With giving us three free race changes and three name changes for free, to compensate any desired changes, there really is nothing legitimate to complain about.

You regret a decision you made with your race. ZOS gives you ways to help. And you still don't see how they actually did a decent thing.

spencer2361

This is just brilliant marketing. With one race change, very few would consider the any race any alliance, but you give people 3 race changes and the chances they pony up the 20 dollars for any race any alliance go up considerably. Well played!

Tia413

I for one am happy that Zos actually gave us something for free for something like this, whether I have Any Race, Any Alliance or not.. It's a rarity.

Thank You Zos

KommandantViy

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

wsmith97ub17_ESO wrote: »

entitled brats

Complaining about anti-consumer behaviour doesn't make you an entitled brat.

Please stop with your anti-consumer BS. It's getting old.


Anti - entitlement maybe, but this is in no way anti-consumerism.

I didn't need to spend $20 on this game yesterday. I do today.

The $20 isn't going towards adding new content. It's not going towards fixing a mistake I made (I chose the races I did for a reason, a reason that is now invalidated). The $20 is going towards correcting a dissonance created by a developer change to the race I had picked when I made my character.

I'm confused, was there some kind of hidden $20 surcharge for the race changes and name changes or something? Because unless there was, if you didn't *need* to spend $20 yesterday, then you don't *need* to spend $20 today. This would be like someone gifting me a high end game if I have a middling computer then saying "well now I need to buy a new graphics card, gee thanks." rather than just being grateful that you were gifted something.