Would like some clarification on this as well. Since the timers are WAI as are the drops, it can't really be considered an "exploit."

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Yup this really needs an official statement as if it's true it's backwards from every single mmo on the market.

It's very likely that they actually did do something wrong. When one game company actually called out people who say they were wrongly banned on the official forum it was every single one of them with a legitimate reason for ban.

I'm not saying noone is ever innocent and receives a ban they don't deserve.. but it's not very reasonable to believe every story you hear about people getting banned for "nothing".

It's probably to the effect of... they sat there camping with a 3rd party program hitting a spell for them while they afk.

Nooblet wrote: »

It's very likely that they actually did do something wrong. When one game company actually called out people who say they were wrongly banned on the official forum it was every single one of them with a legitimate reason for ban.

I'm not saying noone is ever innocent and receives a ban they don't deserve.. but it's not very reasonable to believe every story you hear about people getting banned for "nothing".

It's probably to the effect of... they sat there camping with a 3rd party program hitting a spell for them while they afk.

Yup that is very very very possible and likely to have been the case. But with so many claims of it. An official post would be nice just to state their official policy on it.

Thanks to the crafting system, farming some bosses is a necessary evil to get upgrade-items for crafting. So far i have very little blue-upgrade items, since not been farming.

I hope this isn't true. I often farm the public dungeon bosses, mainly for the Soul Gems I need for the next tier. Also for gear to Deconstruct for crafting. I'd hate to get banned for something I didn't know was against the rules... This being an MMO it doesn't make much sense either.

Edvoli wrote: »

I have a response from customer support it isnt allowed if the boss spawns more frequently than 15 minutes and gives loot every time

Screenshot will be nice

It means they'll have to ban at least 50% of player base I normally don't farm dungeon bosses, but at rare ocasions I really need soul gems or mats for craft/research... And it is their game design that allows stupid stuff like that. They could have fixed it programatically, but if instead they decide to ban people for using existing game mechanic - that is pretty stupid way of dealing with a problem.

No screenshot sorry,

Response By Email (William) (04/05/2014 06:35 PM)
Thanks for Replying!

To answer your questions, it depends on the circumstance. If the "End Boss" just so happens to spawn every 15 minutes, and you want to grind that way, it's perfectly fine. However, if that same "End Boss" spawns every 2-3 minutes or less, by our definition that would be exploiting. Again if you do notice anything in-game that would represent the latter, let us know as soon as possible by using the /bug command.

Warm Regards,

William

The Elder Scrolls Online Team



Response By Email (William) (04/06/2014 06:35 PM)
Hey!

In that case, there is nothing to worry about, but if the same players are staying in the dungeons AFTER already killing the NPC the first place, and they are rapidly leveling or constantly farming loot from that NPC, that would be considered exploiting.

William

The Elder Scrolls Online Team
Customer By CSS Email (Magdalena Håkansson) (04/06/2014 07:40 AM)
But it is supposed to spawn this fast as it is a "Quest" NPC sort of, therefore im kind of confused. Many kill these "NPC" to get soul gems and some loot, it spawn pretty fast as people are supposed to kill him/her to get the "clear" of the instance and get an achievment for it.

I don't doubt that that email is legit, but sometimes cs reps say things that aren't true. I want this splashed up on the forums by someone in green. This policy is so backwards from any other game, that it's hard to believe.

Why not take a screenshot of the email, so, you know, we can be sure you aren'tr just trolling like the 18'987 other people...

Either way, I wonder just how this really is exploiting. The public dungeons seem to be pretty much set up in a way that encourages boss farming. By no small part due to the fact you often run trough the whole thing without encoutering any loot or mob, because they are so crowded. So it feels natural to stay at the boss for a while.

Personal tidbit: If the dungeons were instanced to you and whoever you are taking with you, they wouldn't be so annoying and anticlimatic + this problem would not exists, because you'd have to re-enter and fight trough all the mobs again to get to the boss.

Edvoli wrote: »

To answer your questions, it depends on the circumstance. If the "End Boss" just so happens to spawn every 15 minutes, and you want to grind that way, it's perfectly fine. However, if that same "End Boss" spawns every 2-3 minutes or less, by our definition that would be exploiting. Again if you do notice anything in-game that would represent the latter, let us know as soon as possible by using the /bug command..

LMAO, that's so crass it's unbelievable. Just where do they draw the line? Are they going to provide and in-game stopwatch so we can check whether we're exploiting or not?

Sure, if the mob is bugged and, say, insta-spawning that would be reasonably expected to be a bug and someone using it to gain large chunks of XP knows what they're doing.

But to called repeatedly killing a mob on a THREE MINUTE spawn time an exploiter is just ludicrous.

Well it would be stupid to bad people for something there is no visible in game way of knowing you shouldn't be doing.
Unless they have red text on the screen come up after five bosses saying "You will be banned for over farming" it's absurd to think they could ban someone for this.
Even if they come forward now and say on these forums you can be banned for it that's not going to be common knowledge to the entire playerbase.

Banning bots sure, and if people get wrongly banned it sucks completely but they should be able to handle that via petitions and it's a reason Zenimax should be very careful with throwing out farming bans.
If they have a truly serious issue with farming bosses they need to change the game to not allow that to happen, because banning in regards to something no one knows about will only bite them in the backside.

W

Nooblet wrote: »

It's very likely that they actually did do something wrong. When one game company actually called out people who say they were wrongly banned on the official forum it was every single one of them with a legitimate reason for ban.

When they have time - I really wish they would implement what xbox live did - a board where people would complain about bannings and other punishments and then microsoft would tell their side of the story. First it would be very educational and let us know what not to do and what the consiquences are. Also, it would give some visibility to the banning process which comes across as arbitrary and exclusively a matter of luck.

mental.asylumrwb17_ESO wrote: »

What happens if I'm farming certain creatures to get rawhide for an hour? Will I get a ban for that?

There is difference between farming landscape for common craft materials and camping a boss in a dungeon who drops blue loot and soul gems fairly regularly.

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mental.asylumrwb17_ESO wrote: »

What happens if I'm farming certain creatures to get rawhide for an hour? Will I get a ban for that?

There is difference between farming landscape for common craft materials and camping a boss in a dungeon who drops blue loot and soul gems fairly regularly.

Ugh past 3 dungeons I did I never get loot only the accomplishment because of these selfish bunch of farmers that camp bosses.
I think they should rather alter the setup of these bosses than banning people for it.Though they are very selfish and ruin the fun