Alcast wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

@Masel @Alcast when do you use stealth detection in pve? Do you detect stealth in your parses? Serious question. Not a troll attempt.

Why do you ask me, ask ZOS. Do you actually think I told ZOS that stealth is useful in endgame pve or what are you implying? I am pretty sure you know my opinion on stuff like that, so why tag me

Thanks, I figured as much, I didn’t want to assume your position though.

Seraphayel wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

More "nuanced"? People didn't choose Altmer because all of the three racials were somehow catered towards "magic". They chose Altmer because it was the best choice to do so when playing a Magicka build. Y'all wouldn't even care if 2/3 racials are crap but the third one is making you clearly superior to others.

That's just absurd. I chose Altmer because they are everything about magic. Only Ayleid could be better but there is no opportunity to use this race in ESO. I chose Altmer for my Direnni Stamina Templar because this race is everything about magic as it should be even for this character.

Okay. What's the problem then? The racial is named "Spell Recharge" and you're playing a Stamina character e.g. directly benefit from the change.

As there are no rules or guidelines for what can be accounted as "magic racials" or not there shouldn't exist a problem at all for you. Altmer are still "everything about magic" (well that's not even 100% lore-conform as Altmer are not 100% about magic but don't mind).

You do realize that Spell Recharge has nothing to do with more viability as a Stamina character, right? A Stamina character would get Magicka back from that passive. No one benefits from that passive.

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Olauron wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

More "nuanced"? People didn't choose Altmer because all of the three racials were somehow catered towards "magic". They chose Altmer because it was the best choice to do so when playing a Magicka build. Y'all wouldn't even care if 2/3 racials are crap but the third one is making you clearly superior to others.

That's just absurd. I chose Altmer because they are everything about magic. Only Ayleid could be better but there is no opportunity to use this race in ESO. I chose Altmer for my Direnni Stamina Templar because this race is everything about magic as it should be even for this character.

Okay. What's the problem then? The racial is named "Spell Recharge" and you're playing a Stamina character e.g. directly benefit from the change.

As there are no rules or guidelines for what can be accounted as "magic racials" or not there shouldn't exist a problem at all for you. Altmer are still "everything about magic" (well that's not even 100% lore-conform as Altmer are not 100% about magic but don't mind).

You do realize that Spell Recharge has nothing to do with more viability as a Stamina character, right? A Stamina character would get Magicka back from that passive. No one benefits from that passive.

That wasn't the reasoning of his post though. He complained about a passive that's not magic related. If it does indeed restore Magicka on his character it is directly magic related and his argument loses its basis.

That no one benefits from the passive is nonsense. Was just watching a ton of PvP videos from Magicka Wardens / Templars that were consuming a lot more Stamina than Magicka. It would directly benefit them.

Olauron wrote: »

My choice is based on lore only.

Silly rabbit, lore is for kids.

Seraphayel wrote: »

I still haven't seen an argument based on official ES lore why a racial named "Spell Recharge" that restores Stamina is against established Altmer lore. I don't say there is an argument for it in the lore but I haven't seen one against it neither.

And I haven't seen an argument when a racial "Gift of Magnus" that gives Altmer radiant wings is against established lore. You almost never find something mentioned explicitly as not present. You may find something about Altmer height but you likely not find something about Altmer not having hooves. As a result it is better to focus on what is said and not on what is not said.

Seraphayel wrote: »

More "nuanced"? People didn't choose Altmer because all of the three racials were somehow catered towards "magic". They chose Altmer because it was the best choice to do so when playing a Magicka build. Y'all wouldn't even care if 2/3 racials are crap but the third one is making you clearly superior to others.

Altmer was a Magicka race. Altmer is a Magicka race. Altmer will be a Magicka race after the changes. That's all that matters in this regard. Don't act like Altmer isn't a top pick for Magicka anymore when it's still the go to race (you can even put "next to Breton" in that sentence and my point still stands).

I find it hillarious that people like you are still arguing that Altmer was BiS on live when in fact it hasnt been since atleast 2017. The reason you picked Altmer was either lore reasons, preferring Altmer from previous elder scrolls games and a lot of other reasons I dont care to list, OR trading a little bit of dps compared to Dunmer (which is the actual magicka BiS for dps, which none of you seem to be able to comprehend) for a little bit of magicka recovery.
I dont like the new Altmer passive because it will do nothing in pve outside of very specific encounters (and even in those most people usually know how to manage Stamina without a senseless stam recovery passive) and in pvp people managed for years so why do they suddenly need it now. I would much prefer keeping the main stat regen.
What adds Insult to injury is that all of the testing I have seen in 4.3.0 doesnt have Altmer ahead by a large margin like the anti Altmer seem to think. If Altmer is ahead at all compared to lets say Breton it is so by less than 500 so according to people like you arguing that it is now balanced with small advantages for Breton it would have been balanced with Altmer and Breton being even, Altmer being slightly ahead or being slightly behind depending on Setups used in those Tests aswell as classes used. So by your own very often repeated opinion of mag races being balanced with very small differences in dps old Altmer spell recharge was balanced.
So if anything what should have been done is tweaking the numbers of spell recharge instead of throwing it out the window, adjusting spell recharge to match the first Breton passive giving 100 mag recovery would´ve been just fine and no risk to Breton being the BiS Sustain race (as if there has ever been lol) and would match Bretons having 1 of the Altmer damage passives with equal value. But I realized a long time ago that tweaking is not how balance is done here, so for ZOS to just tweak numbers and see results is unfortunaly very unrealistic.
I would love to see the data ZOS used to determine that Altmer is so unqestionably stronger than other races that it had to be nerfed, if its there and gives proof of this then ok, point for ZOS, I dont mind being shown that there is a lot of legit data that is backing up the nerf.
But we dont see that and quite frankly after a lot of bad decisions made in the recent Patches that had to get reverted in later updates despite the majority of people telling ZOS it would end in disaster I am no longer confident in ZOS ability to know what is balanced or not.
In addition to that we ´ve seen cash grab balancing before in this game, remember when ZOS decided that major mending on a templar would be too strong? Also remember how the class that is sitting behind a Paywall got the very same too strong major mending in the same patch? But Im sure that was just for balance concerns and not at all to try and make warden healers more attractive than templar ones .

Olauron wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I still haven't seen an argument based on official ES lore why a racial named "Spell Recharge" that restores Stamina is against established Altmer lore. I don't say there is an argument for it in the lore but I haven't seen one against it neither.

And I haven't seen an argument when a racial "Gift of Magnus" that gives Altmer radiant wings is against established lore. You almost never find something mentioned explicitly as not present. You may find something about Altmer height but you likely not find something about Altmer not having hooves. As a result it is better to focus on what is said and not on what is not said.

This quote made me so happy! Thank you!

I don't get why redguard is no longer a top tier stam dps. Makes no sense. They are the warrior race.

I don't get why imperial and nord are relegated to tank role, when any race can tank effectively.

PVE dps is where stat balance matters, and ZOS failed at balancing the races for this.

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

How incredibly arrogant and condescending of you to assume a Position where only your OPINION decides how everyone else has to act or feel.

Wasn't my intention to be condescending.

I just don't expect the game to revolve around, please or satisfy solely me. It's up to me what I make out of the game and I'm responsible for my own pleasure and satisfaction, not the game.

It's on us players to adapt to the conditions of the game, to voice concerns (as long as it's reasonable; and no, I do not decide what's reasonable and what's not in the end) or to just quit and leave.

Breton, Altmer and Dunmer look fine.

Khajiit, however, got cheated! We campaigned for YEARS to get spell crit, and when they finally gave it us, the Altmer Mafia took it away a week later! WTF? ZOS should have stuck to their guns and ignored the Altmer whiners.

Not sure anymore.

I went on PTS, slapped some dubious (not even arteum broth) on my orc and i had more sustain while my abilities were dealing more damage than on bosmer in blue food and critting for more damage than khajiit with regen glyph and blue food and I realized why Orc defenders defend their race so much and what 'pure stam race' niche means.

wonder what altmer would get if their stam and mag were exactly equal

karthrag_inak wrote: »

wonder what altmer would get if their stam and mag were exactly equal

Crown crates.

Eiron77 wrote: »

Edit: Tl;dr: The poll shows a majority as negative feedback. The "so-so" votes on a satisfaction poll should always be considered a negative response. It should always translate to: Needs Improvement.

It's quite hilarious that you complainers need the "some good, some bad" group to back up your claims that the changes are disliked by a majority. If you all think so, so be it.

To say that the poll shows a majority for negative feedback is still fake news. Might fit your narrative but doesn't translate to the poll results. Maybe we should create a poll with just two options "yes" or "no". But then trying to find arguments why the majority likes the changes and doesn't dislike them might be difficult.