This is in no way gamebreaking. There is no need to get rid of hirelings. The one change they made by making the bags non-tradeable is enough.

I kinda like the hierling options...just adds something else into the mix.
As far as lottery, every time I garb something gathering, I pull a ticket.
No biggie imho.

Daverios wrote: »

WhiteQueen wrote: »

Something you may not have considered:

Only legendary heroes can become legendary crafters. Legendary means higher than level 50. Veterans in other words.

Only legendary crafters can make legendary gear.

And only legendary heroes can wear legendary gear. So by the time you attain full veterancy you'll have a right to wear legendary equipment. You'll never see level 1s in legendary gear. The system makes it impossible.

Something YOU may not have considered,

Even though it does require a high end crafter to make the item. It is real easy to find a crafter and supply the mats yourself that you just farmed up running hireling bots.

The high level crafter NOR the player has to put in ANY effort. Just kick back and wait.

If ONLY high level crafters were able to get legendaries from hireling AND/OR the player was able to get it from higher end PVE encounters this would not be a problem because then they would be earned and not 'bot farmed'.

The issue is their hireling bot literally never has to leave town or even be logged on to obtain legendaries.

Quick question.

Do you craft? Do you use the hirelings? Because frankly they're polished turd. I get more in 20 minutes of farming than I do in my mail. I've got better ideas for my character space than to sit with 4 or 5 level 3's with one point in hireling. I'd rather play a few different classes.

It takes more than the odd legendary material to make a legendary item. You can;t even come close with the odd one or two items in the mail. Runes needs skills, gear needs 4 tiers of between 4 and 6 upgrade materials to avoid losing the whole thing in a freak upgrade mishap, and recipes have more than one component ingredient in a spawnlist of literally hundreds of variants.

Example - Staff. 9 Wood (comes from finding enough logs of the right type to make). Add a trait (comes from research, and having the right stone when crafting). That item comes from invested time and skillpoints, and some extreme penalties in the storage department.

Upgrade my staff to green - I need between 4 and 6 Tier one upgrade mats. I get these at random. They are very finite.

Upgrade to blue - Same deal - even less common material. I need between 4 and 6.

Upgrade to purple - christ! I've seen one or two purple upgrade materials so far and I need a ton - otherwise it's going to break in upgrade.

Don't even get me going on gold. There's no way I'm risking a gold upgrade until I know it's 100% going to pass.

The whole thing takes days. It also means that you aren't upgrading your other gear, or doing trade, filling orders.

So I need:

10 sanded wood.
1 trait stone
4-6 green upgrade
4-6 blue upgrade
5-8 purple upgrade.

Leveled skills to the correct level for the item. Skillpoints spent there instead of combat skills.

Then lets add a rune.

I need the right potency (needle in a haystack)
The right stat (needle, meet hay)
The right aspect (if I see another "ta" I'm going to vomit)

3 needles in 3 haystacks.

You make me a glyph to suit using hireling mail - go on.

Oh, then also try and level enchant to anywhere near the right level to do a proper rune - It takes literally hundreds of glyphs, multiplied by 3 runes, of 3 different types.

Yeah. Get that in the mail.

I suggest you give it a whirl before jumping to ill formed conclusions.

You want to get the nerf bat out - how about those racial motifs, I made 18K in around an hour Then I bought some cool gear. Or those public dungeons? Crazy farm fiesta.

*disclaimer - Racials - if people are willing to shell out 3k for something they can't be bothered to find, it means I'm an entrepreneur - not a gold miner.

I am against RNG-based content. My hirelings are absolutely useless. I don't know if it needs to be buffed or nerfed, but RNG is always bad.

I think that the hireling system is just fine where it is. Sure, it benefits folks who play more because they have time to gather mats themselves and still collect from the hirelings, but it was designed for the average player in mind. Not folks who have 2+ accounts, 16+ characters, and are paying $30+ a month for this. That is your decision, and just because it breaks the game for you, the rest of us who have 1 account shouldn't be penalized for it. And if it bothers you that much, don't take the passive that gives you hirelings on your second and beyond account.
Now me? I have a life, a job, school, volunteering, stuff to do and people to see. I can barely manage 1 character, let alone 16. The couple alts that have hirelings, and the mats I get from my 3 characters, means that when I do get to play long enough to sit down and do some crafting, I have stuff for it. Maybe I even have a blue or purple mat that I didn't have to farm in a dungeon or other place, so I can craft nice stuff too.

No, the system works just fine for the average player, and it would be a mistake to change it because the super players found a way to break it for themselves.

Audigy wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

i agree with this. zos is going to find that people will have little to no reason to do there end game content if the best gear is from crafters.

best solution is that some mats HAVE to be found in raids/dungeons

Crafting in an MMO must be able to grant the best items in the game, else it has no use.

I absolutely agree, with a few exceptions. I think that artifacts (if they exist, so far seen Wabbajack) should have a leg up on anything else you can find or craft.
Aside from artifacts, enhancing items (either crafted or found) through crafting should be the means to the best items.
I don't mind finding necessary mats in dungeons/public dungeons, but I do think that shouldn't be the only place to find them.

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I have to agree with the OP.

I'm a mostly solo/non-raider player and don't view this hireling exploit (because common sense suggests the developers didn't anticipate everyone would be making 7 lvl 3 alts just for hirelings) as something which advantages me vs. high level raiders. Instead I think it degrades the integrity and economics of the game, and now I feel almost compelled to do this stupid thing just so I can keep up with others using this exploit. Over time, months, this will yield a HUGE advantage to those using this exploit, not only with legendaries but with simply leveling their craft more effectively (while I have to go around scrounging for mats, they will sit back and just have the mats roll in).

Please developers do something about this serious exploit.

Cherryblossom wrote: »

A question, if you have received a legendary item from a hireling agree with this post. as it would appear hardly anyone has!
I'm in 3 Trading guilds and I did a quick check and only one person of 3 guilds had got 1.

Now do the math. Look at a person 6 months from now who has been getting mats from 8 hirelings, then look at a person who hasn't done this.

I would like to rectify my previous statement. My lvl 6 alt just got a legendary temper from a hireling. Now I agree that there is a problem indeed.

bummingtheusanub18_ESO wrote: »

ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS IS NOT BROKEN HAS NOT DONE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have done this since release and without any serious work\time on my own I have gotten 4 (YES FOUR) gold tempers!!!!!!!!!!!! I have over 100 ( YES ONE-HUNDRED) green. With loads of tempers in between and this is just tempers for blacksmithing. So I already know i have made a fortune so i don't care if they nerf it. But to prevent the Chinese Gold farmers completely screwing the economy they NEED to nerf it. ANYONE who says that this is not OP has not tried it. If you are not doing this your are MILES behind.

Force has done a great video on this and he has only done it for a day or two and look at how many mats he has!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9X5lKe2Pc

Most of the naysayers in this thread don't understand what the op is talking about, yet are totaling dismissing it.

SDZald wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

A question, if you have received a legendary item from a hireling agree with this post. as it would appear hardly anyone has!
I'm in 3 Trading guilds and I did a quick check and only one person of 3 guilds had got 1.

Now do the math. Look at a person 6 months from now who has been getting mats from 8 hirelings, then look at a person who hasn't done this.

I have to fire my Hirelings as I have 3 of them and have received nothing in over a week that I couldn't pick up node hunting in an hour and that is combined. Its not like these legendary drops are falling out of the sky like rain.

One last point NOTHING is stopping you from doing the same thing so how is this unfair or game breaking?

Your doing it wrong, you need to have 8 chars with 3 hirelings a piece. 2 accounts completely makes this ridiculous by making it possible to have 48 hirelings a day. even if a yellow drop is less then 1%(by the way the drop rate for me has been between 2-5 %) it is still going to be dropping several times a week at least. By doing this passively I will be able to have a full set of legendary by the time i hit max lvl plus enough left over to for a partial.
Its game breaking because it is a hidden mechanic\un-roleplay\immersion breaking( meaning a newb player is not going to think of this on their own and there is no tutorial on it ingame and anyone wanting to roleplay will not do this), it favors players with money, and straight up feels like it goes against the "spirit" of the hireling mechanic border lining as a game exploit.