jcm2606 wrote: »

Okay. I *** up my math. This is so much worse. I forgot it removed 2 effects per proc when I did the math, so it's actually twice as effective, about. If we compare Curse Eater to the two other purge sets, Wyrd's Tree and Stendarr's Embrace,

Curse Eater within the same 15 second cooldown of Wyrd Tree can remove 14 effects (2 / 15 = 7.5, round down to 7 since we're working with integers, 7 * 2 = 14). 14 > 5.

Curse Eater within the same 30 second cooldown of Stendarr's Embrace can remove 30 effects (2 / 30 = 15, don't need to round down since it is an integer, 15 * 2 = 30). 30 > 5.

You people are literally defending a set that is 2.8x more effective than Wyrd Tree, 6x more effective than Stendarr's Embrace, when looking at a single player, assuming perfect uptime of both Wyrd and Stendarr, which actually works even more into Curse Eater's favour, since Curse Eater is braindead easy to proc, and can literally be kept continuously proccing by stacking HOT's throughout a fight.

Tell me again how this set isn't absurdly broken?

I'll even add to that. You pair this with Steadfast Hero and get 50% uptime on Major Protection. So the Dots that aren't purged have a 30% damage reduction since Steadfast is going to proc constantly on cooldown. I guarantee I will be running the combo if this set stays as is.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

And again, people keep talking about the "broken" nature of this set. And yet no video exists so far that i know of demonstrating all this.
As stated i feel it needs tweaking (see previous posts) but videos with literally no information on how broken it is to give as proof do not highlight its need for changes.

Show us something REAL. NOT cleansing 1 negative effect, wait, repeat.

Show us a stamDK fight where they're throwing dots, bleeds, snares, double dot poisons etc and you're not at any risk.
If you can show that then by all means then we can talk about big old sweeping nerfs or adjustments.
Show us a spin to win Warden bursting in with that big old burst combo and you shrugging off the fracture, dots, poisons snares etc.

So far every person i've said this to has gone back to screaming "IT'S OP" but again won't provide any hard facts.

I am NOT saying it doesn't need adjusting but having literally ZERO evidence won't get that changed.
The reason we got Soldier of Anguish changed last patch was because there were videos ACTUALLY showing how broken it was and rep support to back it.

Again, EVIDENCE, not THEORETICAL or Screaming like the sky is falling.

People in general do not like changes nor anything which counters their current way to play. Anything which goes against their way to play, they rather burn the counter with fire.
Also not many bother to actually prove their points by providing actual valid video footage like you said, but that's understandable: unfortunately many rather whine very loud in hope to get developers destroy the set within coming patches and make the set to sit with the same stage with Wyrd Tree and Stendarr set: almost never used.

HOWEVER before people start flipping tables for what I wrote above, I also want to say what I think about the set itself:
I truly want to see this set tweaked, but still keep full potential for using this set on solo PvP set up. I do not want to make this set as "healer only set" and remove the part which let me to self apply the purge on myself with the set. I'm not carrying pocket healers across Cyrodiil, so if this set becomes "healer only - set", the set becomes garbage to me and many other solo players. Though I agree with the argument which states that the set provides a bit too much sustain. Personally I wouldn't mind if some 2-4 item piece bonuses would be changed to something else and give for example some max stamina and max HP instead. I would be perfectly fine with that. Even if the magicka return after the cleanse effect would vanish, I wouldn't mind much about that.
ALSO I think that the set should not remove any stuns. Stuns are important part of PvP gameplay and IMO set should not purge stuns and auto-break free you out by any circumstances. I don't know if this is intended for the set or not, but I think this functions deserves second look from developers.
And last but not least: the cooldown itself. 2 negative effects every 2 seconds is a bit too frequent cleansing. I think it would be fine if the cooldown would be made double and become 2 negative effects every 4 seconds. (Or even 5 - 6 seconds if needed, but longer it goes from that, less useful the set becomes.)
This set definitely deserve some slight tweaking, but it would be very pity if the set becomes trash tier set before it even goes live.

d3adpain wrote: »

dOnT nErf iT pLeaSe
like wtf that set broken as f***

This isn’t a great reason to consider your point. You also agree that snares, dot builds, and defile is OP so... which is it?

I would run this set on any class stam or mag. It's too powerful to not use it. It's the best defensive set in the game.

The only people who are saying this set is ok, are ones sitting at their keyboards with their Troll Face on planning to abuse a broken *** set. They probably ran sloads when it was busted, or viper/widowmaker when that was busted; or they are PvE heroes that have no clue how a set like this will ruin PvP completely.

THIS SET IS OVERPERFORMING. END OF STORY.


Edit:

I decided to add more to this to bring in some valid arguments. Dragonknights, what is the class identity, DAMAGE OVER TIME . In PvP Dragonknights, especially MagDKs lack enough burst to finish players off. StamDKs at least have execute skills in their weapon lines, MagDKs have nothing, except Skoria (If you even can count that as their "execute", it is just a naid to their burst). Anyway, MagDKs rely on Burning Embers for Damage and a Heal. Do you know what curse eater does... removes the skill completely. Engulfing? Nope, no 10% extra damage for you! Even the Skoria proc, that happens from Damage over Time, how's that gonna happen when the DoTs are being purged immediately.

What is the effective strategy for fighting Zergs? "Well Seige helps!".. Oh yeah, you're right. Meatbags, Oils, Scattershots, Fire Balllistas, etc. apply a debuff/Dot/etc... guess what.. NEGATED completely from CURSE EATER.

Tank players burning your sieges, immobilizing you, stunning you for their friends... how do you deal with them? snares, stuns, defiles. Also cured by Curse Eater. Templar Healbots, same problem.

Classes that place a skill on a target. Power of the Light, Curse, Total Dark, Mark Target, Swarm, etc. Pretty much every class right? All these skills would be purged. Classes that need a skill like Elemental Drain to sustain and do damage.. Curse Eater says **** that.

You can think of so many scenarios... this set can not go live the way it is. It will bury DKs at the very least. And I'm a MagSorc, I hate fighting DKs, but I don't want the class to get destroyed because of a broken set.

Tasear wrote: »

With all the threads curse eater is OP. I wanted one to say it will be great set for healers in pvp and pve. So if changes must be made please consider application that this set has on healers.

Or consider its effect on overall game balance and be objective? This is objectively broken in the pvp realm and cannot go live as it is. No reason to argue right now because they said theyre changing it. Hopefully with some sense.

jaws343 wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Fiktius wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

And again, people keep talking about the "broken" nature of this set. And yet no video exists so far that i know of demonstrating all this.
As stated i feel it needs tweaking (see previous posts) but videos with literally no information on how broken it is to give as proof do not highlight its need for changes.

Show us something REAL. NOT cleansing 1 negative effect, wait, repeat.

Show us a stamDK fight where they're throwing dots, bleeds, snares, double dot poisons etc and you're not at any risk.
If you can show that then by all means then we can talk about big old sweeping nerfs or adjustments.
Show us a spin to win Warden bursting in with that big old burst combo and you shrugging off the fracture, dots, poisons snares etc.

So far every person i've said this to has gone back to screaming "IT'S OP" but again won't provide any hard facts.

I am NOT saying it doesn't need adjusting but having literally ZERO evidence won't get that changed.
The reason we got Soldier of Anguish changed last patch was because there were videos ACTUALLY showing how broken it was and rep support to back it.

Again, EVIDENCE, not THEORETICAL or Screaming like the sky is falling.

People in general do not like changes nor anything which counters their current way to play. Anything which goes against their way to play, they rather burn the counter with fire.
Also not many bother to actually prove their points by providing actual valid video footage like you said, but that's understandable: unfortunately many rather whine very loud in hope to get developers destroy the set within coming patches and make the set to sit with the same stage with Wyrd Tree and Stendarr set: almost never used.

HOWEVER before people start flipping tables for what I wrote above, I also want to say what I think about the set itself:
I truly want to see this set tweaked, but still keep full potential for using this set on solo PvP set up. I do not want to make this set as "healer only set" and remove the part which let me to self apply the purge on myself with the set. I'm not carrying pocket healers across Cyrodiil, so if this set becomes "healer only - set", the set becomes garbage to me and many other solo players. Though I agree with the argument which states that the set provides a bit too much sustain. Personally I wouldn't mind if some 2-4 item piece bonuses would be changed to something else and give for example some max stamina and max HP instead. I would be perfectly fine with that. Even if the magicka return after the cleanse effect would vanish, I wouldn't mind much about that.
ALSO I think that the set should not remove any stuns. Stuns are important part of PvP gameplay and IMO set should not purge stuns and auto-break free you out by any circumstances. I don't know if this is intended for the set or not, but I think this functions deserves second look from developers.
And last but not least: the cooldown itself. 2 negative effects every 2 seconds is a bit too frequent cleansing. I think it would be fine if the cooldown would be made double and become 2 negative effects every 4 seconds. (Or even 5 - 6 seconds if needed, but longer it goes from that, less useful the set becomes.)
This set definitely deserve some slight tweaking, but it would be very pity if the set becomes trash tier set before it even goes live.

Pretty spot on; and I main a StamSorc dot build.

At this point, ZoS should note that if they try to introduce any new sets that are slightly better than any established Meta, then the forums will just erupt with the cries of a thousand scruffy looking Nerf herders.

This isn't a slightly better set. This is a set that purges 20 effects over the course of a 20 second Mutagen, and returns 1500 magicka during that time. Compared to the 50K magika that would be spent if you used efficient Purge 10 times to purge 20 effects, I would say that at a cost of 600 net magicka, this set is severely overperforming.

Anything would be overperforming when compared to an ability that is just plain bad. Same goes for comparing it to other sets which have similar functionality but are so bad virtually no-one uses them. Its better than wyrd tree? No ***, i saw wyrd tree live exactly once in my whole TESO career.

jaws343 wrote: »

Not to mention, while you are hitting Purge those 10 times over 20 seconds, you are barely doing anything else. And with this set, you cast 1 skill and then can cast anything else for this duration without having to spam 1 skill over and over again.

And you pay for that with one of you two 5-piece set bonuses. You sacrifice half your 5-piece bonuses for something that will help you very little as soon as you are attacked by more than one enemy. Its only useful in duels, and then only against builds that only apply a few debuffs. Face a low slash build that applies maim+snare every second, along with siphoner and possibly 2x DOT poison, and suddenly removing one debuff per second isn't all that hot. I should know, i once replaced extended ritual with ritual of retribution on my stamplar and quickly dropped it like hot potato once i realized 2-effect cleanse is almost nothing in everyday cyrodiil(as opposed to staged duels).

Anyone defending this set simply lacks basic understanding of how pvp works in this game. Then there's the ones like ChunkyCat who is a known user of broken sets.

This set will passively cleanse 2 effects every 2 seconds. Things like Mutagen and Rally will ensure that it procs on cooldown 100% of the time. Meaning that every dot, debuff, negative effect of an kind will becone null. Purifying light and Power of the light, essential abilities to the templar class, will never go off because it takes 6 seconds to explode and curse eater cleanses every 2 seconds. Daedric Curse, yet again another essential ability for sorcerers, will never go off. DOTs will be cleansed immediately, etc.

The set will break the game. It won't be used just by healers. It will be used by everybody engaging in any pvp actitivity, stamina or magicka, damage dealer, tank, healer. It is too strong to pass up.

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

And you pay for that with one of you two 5-piece set bonuses. You sacrifice half your 5-piece bonuses for something that will help you very little as soon as you are attacked by more than one enemy. Its only useful in duels, and then only against builds that only apply a few debuffs. Face a low slash build that applies maim+snare every second, along with siphoner and possibly 2x DOT poison, and suddenly removing one debuff per second isn't all that hot. I should know, i once replaced extended ritual with ritual of retribution on my stamplar and quickly dropped it like hot potato once i realized 2-effect cleanse is almost nothing in everyday cyrodiil(as opposed to staged duels).

Yeah but templar purge has to be actively used whereas this set does it automatically for the duration of a single mutagen/RR.

What i was telling you is that from my experience as a templar playing in cyrodiil(NOT dueling), two removed effects is too weak, even if removed once every second and not once every two seconds. You will simply be swamped with so many status effect during typical cyrodiil gameplay that two effects removed become insignificant, you won't remove what needs removed, and next second its all back. You simply need to run the 5-effect purge for the effect to become noticeable. Therefore, under these conditions, a set that removes 2 effects every 2 seconds, even if by itself, is not nearly as good as people make it out to be. (And remember it is not "free", you paid for it by sacrificing some other 5-piece bonus).

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

This is ridiculous in a 1v1 for anyone and shuts down builds that don't have access to a large amount of applicable effects.

That's basically the same thing i said in the post you were replying to: "Its only useful in duels, and then only against builds that only apply a few debuffs."

We’re at a stage where players just call abusing broken stuff a „meta“ to disguise it. PvP has degraded into a contest where everyone tries to ride the most broken stuff for the longest time possible.

I don’t care if this set goes live or not. The discussion however - much like ones in the past about other sets - sadly Highlight what’s wrong with this game. Devs that seem to be not thorough when designing and players that are willing to abuse every thing they can.