I would like to point out that the poison/diseased opted racial passives are entirely backwards as far as lore is concerned.

It would make more sense to me to have argonians opted to poison immunity instead of disease due to the fact Black Marsh is more likely to kill you with poisonous toxins than diseases, so it makes more sense that they'd have built up a genetic immunity to poison rather than disease, if only one of the two. On top of that is the fact they have customs in some parts to purposely poison their young in small amounts to boost that immunity at an individual level. While disease should be included as well to a lesser extent, I'll ignore it for balancing purposes, as these changes are intended for.

It would also make more sense to me for bosmer to be opted to disease immunity instead of poison immunity. The Green Pact renders nature tamed toward the bosmer people, and thus makes regular poisoning unlikely in their circumstance, at least during the 2nd era. However, due to the cannibalistic customs of bosmer ancestry, often eating the dead of their enemies after war (with no real indication of cooking the meat in their histirical writings), the carrion nature of this custom is likely to impart an immunity to disease over time, especially if the dead were ill before their deaths. Their meat only diet should also somewhat contribute to this to at least a small degree by genetically reducing the threshold of sustainance required to keep the immune system optimal over several centuries. At least theoretically. Practically, probably not. But it still makes more sense than poison immunity.

Lore-wise, that's just my take on it.


Otherwise, I'm quite excited for these changes myself. I've been waiting for a long time to get some racial balancing done, so a revamp is something I'd like to give a try. Some of the changes look a bit iffy on paper, but practical testing is the only reliable method to judge them, so I'll hold out until that comes around.

Nothing really stands out too much on the balance tipping end of the situation for me. Writing all the effects down on paper has revealed a few potential counters to the obvious nerfs and buffs that everyone has been pointing out in the responses.

As a whole, this seems to effect min/max players negatively and more casual players positively by bringing the ceiling down a bit and bringing the floor up a bit. While I personally think the CP system needs to be reworked to narrow this gap most effectively, at least this is some measure of balance between the worst and the best.

Again, just my take on these changes as they are written on paper. Only practical testing will prove the differences, so I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

How is Imperial block cost reduction going to interact with Sturdy and other block cost reductions? I am asking about the placement in block cost formula to determine if this racial passive is significant or another meh-whatever.

sneakymitchell wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Eiagra wrote: »

Could use a little love. Ask the question: What crafting related benefit could be granted that will always be active? (Refine/deconstruct bonuses? Chance to use fewer resources when crafting/improving?)

Maybe slower item degradation / lower repair cost?

Something that always confused me is that Nords and Orcs are for some reason flipped in ESO. Historically in past games and in TES lore, Nords are stronger and more offensive than Orcs, who are more defensively oriented.
Taking a look at bonuses from Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim:

Morrowind
Skills: Armorer, Block, Heavy Armor, Medium Armor, Axe
Atttributes: Endurance 50, WIllpower 50, Strength 45
Trait: Resist Magic 25%

Oblivion
Skills: Armorer, Block, Blunt, Heavy Armor, Hand to Hand
Atttributes: Endurance 50, WIllpower 50, Strength 45
Trait: Resist Magic 25%

Skyrim
Skills: Heavy Armor, Block, Enchanting, One-Handed, Smithing, Two-Handed

Even in ESO, Orcs level heavy armor faster than any other race - yet, with this update, they become more squishy than Dunmer and Khajiit.
Orcs should be a sturdy race that stands its ground, and when conditions are met, can go into an offensive berserker rage. I don't see this reflected in ESO that well. And while I appreciate the faster sprint speed, it never made any sense for Orcs to have that, as historically they have been the slowest race of all. Bosmer, Dunmer, and Argonians are the fastest.

I hesitate to make suggestions, as they would probably change too much what Orcs are in ESO. But I don't think it's fair to nerf Orcs' capabilities as tanks so much, and it doesn't make any sense lore-wise.

Just add 500 or 750 more health and extra stam. Orc players will be happy with that.

I certainly would be. Regardless, I think Orcs deserve another look from the devs, to give them a more concise theme.

YES THANK YOU!!! But I would say for those of us with 10+ CP characters.... Plz more race change tokens

I'd like to see branching passives so you can go stamina vs magicka. Or pile on more health. And a race change token for each character.

Cillion3117 wrote: »

Dont know why everyone is worrying about the khajiit. Cant take them seriously with that furry tail wagging when they run.

They're adorable though!

jpl7340 wrote: »

One free race change per account? That is severely tone deaf and ridiculously inadequate. I have 12 lvl 50 characters that I’ve been working on for over a year. I meticulously chose each of their races based on what I felt would be best for what I wanted to do with them. Now you’re making huge changes to each race and your answer is 1 race change? Yep, that should be enough for me to cancel my subscription.

Wow we get a race change token?!?! That's awesome!!!

Can I have your stuff?

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That sucks. I wanted free stuff...

amir412 wrote: »

@ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_GinaBruno Please reconsider the change to % again instead of flat stat to max stamina, magicka & HP,
This change is damaging build diversity by alot which is already damaged, and limit the way players want to play.

Choosing to stack max stats, isnt better than stacking weapon damage etc (7th legion + Fury rather than hulking + shackle for example) - First build will still win, but its fun to know that there is a slightly less powerfull alternative.

I do think they are working on increasing performance. They might be moving to flat values is because of this. Basically if flat values don't have as much calculations the server needs to calculate while your are in combat and if they make it so there isn't as many percentage based calculations. It might just be enough to increase personal and server performance Its possible they could or will be doing this to some class passives and maybe some class skills. Either in the next dlc or during the expansion. The less calculations the server has to perform the greater the performances.

Many things in the game such as combat, passives, cp points, armor, sets, food/drink buffs and other things might have to be calculated by the sever. I could be wrong as for the reason why they are making racial passives flat stat. But I think sever calculations would be a possibility but then this is just an assumption and not based on fact so we have no idea why but could be a possible reason I'm not sure how it all works if it impacts performance or not. I am sure they would not be switching it without a good reason. Given they are separating the Imperial City from, Cyrodiil, and changing from percent to flat with the racial passives. Its not far fetched that it could all be connected to this effort. We will see what happens when the full pts patch notes for the upcoming dlc. So we will just have to wait and see what is in store for us later in the year.

Argonians already have their health, healing and sustain nerfed. Seems that players won't be happy until the potion passive is totally removed.

If the emphasis is on "freedom", why does my Redguard magblade get so little from her passives?

(For anyone wondering why I have a Redguard magblade... she was originally a stamblade but I respecced her for VMA - because I haven't the masochism, reflexes or internet connection to get past stage 5 on a stam character.)

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Dark elf change is bizzare, why health increase and loss of magic?

I think this will further solidify one race as the obvious highest magic dps character as high elves with the homogenization of the 2 last racial passives.

Trying to force Dark elf to be a hybrid race is a terrible idea, what they should have done is have different, for the lack of a better word, “morphs” for racial passive, to better fit into ones particular playstyle, because I understand that some races are good at both spell and sword, but you should have to chose which one to be better at, not just innately have both

Let me end with this:

A jack of all trades is a master at none

Dark elf as a whole & Wood elf speed change are terrible. Imp changes are meh. Most of the other changes are great though. I'm happy for u Nords and Bretons!

" We'll also be granting one free race change, per account. " ..one.. ONE.. 1!!!!!!!!!.. so.. 125€ for Crowns for 7more Racechange for the other chars..

well done.. all my Orcs, Darkelfs, highelfs are totaly rip and i only got ONE Change.. so i have to pay 125€ or delete all 7 and grind again MONTHS all this chars

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryWarden wrote: »

" We'll also be granting one free race change, per account. " ..one.. ONE.. 1!!!!!!!!!.. so.. 125€ for Crowns for 7more Racechange for the other chars..

well done.. all my Orcs, Darkelfs, highelfs are totaly rip and i only got ONE Change.. so i have to pay 125€ or delete all 7 and grind again MONTHS all this chars

or you know, play them and see if they are really not up to snuff.

LOL i dont see a playable race now when this changes comes online.. maybe breton mag dps but thats all