I would say, this is better not to have two stealthy races. In PvP, this pretty much dooms AD to have a majority of snipers, making them the easiest farmed race.

If you don't see how powerful this new passive is then you shouldn't talk about balance anyways. Having a race which supports mobility builds is a good thing and will enable a lot more builds than this gank stuff. You talk about offering more choices and meanwhile you want to limit the race to the Nb class (like it used to be), that's complete nonsense.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Tears of nightblades! So precious!

Funny thing is that it buffs stamblades, yet they don't realise it because "muh gank build got nerfed" *facepalm*

I disagree with @susmitds. Bosmer in Lore have ALWAYS been a stealthy race, as have Khajiit. It is entirely fitting that they both get some kind of bonus to it. While I understand that @ZOS_Gilliam was trying to break the original passive into two distinct passives, the end result was just to completely remove stealth from Bosmer altogether. Seriously, what part of the current passive would the Bosmer retain? Not the attack bonus and not the hiding bonus, and that's the only two parts to it.

I said this in another thread, but I would prefer something like "Hunter's Eye: The thick forests of Valenwood have imprinted the importance of the ability to hunt in the Wood Elf race, and as such they have a natural adeptness for detecting potential threats and for seeing ways to use terrain to their advantage. +1/2/3m bonus to detecting hidden threats, +1/2/3m to avoiding detection, and (EITHER)2/6/10% reduction in cost for roll-dodge (OR) minor expedition for 2/3/4s after performing a roll-dodge."

This way there's no insane stacking the movement bonus to get 50% speed increase after roll-dodging. Either the movement bonus would no longer exist or Wood Elves who use something other than a bow (like on their back-bar) would still be able to get a similar effect as Hasty Retreat provides without it stacking with or completely over-riding Hasty Retreat.

edit to add: However, I do not think that giving the Night's Silence bonus is at all appropriate. Just get that set, or be a vampire. It's not a terribad set for a stamina player in any case, even if it isn't hugely optimal.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

If you don't see how powerful this new passive is then you shouldn't talk about balance anyways. Having a race which supports mobility builds is a good thing and will enable a lot more builds than this gank stuff. You talk about offering more choices and meanwhile you want to limit the race to the Nb class (like it used to be), that's complete nonsense.

I’m not talking about balance. I personally would benefit from the changes in PvP, however the changes leave only one race for players who wish to focus on stealth gameplay while they currently have two strong choices.

It would be better to remove stealth advantages from all races, than only leave it for one.

hakan wrote: »

How is khajiit is the only choice? 5m detection vs speed buff after rolling, bosmer is the clear winner here.

Also 75 regen is a joke for khajiits. Your suggestion of Dark Stalker passive is too much.

Stealth bonus for Bosmer is 3m right now. After this change it will be exactly 0m. Read the change notes again, it is an increase to detecting threats, not being hidden. Khajiit go from 3m to 5m bonus to hiding, woodelves go from 3m to 0. So, yeah, OP is correct Khajiit is the clear winner at stealth. And people keep assuming that the movement will stack with Hasty Retreat, but I seriously doubt that it will. Or at least it won't for very long.

Stealth != Ganker - so can we stop with that already?

Stealth detection is patently useless outside of PVP - what NPC enemies use stealth to any degree that it'd be useful? Bosmers are getting a dubious movement bonus (again, mostly useful in PVP) at the cost of their stealth.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Tears of nightblades! So precious!

Pvp nightblades aren’t crying. Stacking speed buff with the roll dodge they were going to do anyway when equipped with a bow. I don’t think those are tears you’re drinking.

Have you seen the forums explode with Bosmer stamblade whining?

Well this post sounds a lot like a dramatic introduction to waves of tears. Reminiscent of the Murkmire magicka nerfs. We all know nightblades are not crying because they are basically the devs' golden children, but I am preparing millions of tiny tear collector bottles for those precious nightblade tears to come.

Okay you can pretend you are drinking tears, I’m not talking about pvp anyway.

Seriously, the bonuses were not only fitting to the style of the race, but useful in both PVP and PVE. Detection is useless in PVE and won’t be worth crap in PVP, it’s an awful trade.

susmitds wrote: »

I would say, this is better not to have two stealthy races. In PvP, this pretty much dooms AD to have a majority of snipers, making them the easiest farmed race.

AD had both the stealth races anyway lol, they have and will have the vast majority of useless zeros sitting in stealth.

This has been the case since launch almost 5 years ago. You literally can’t make it much worse than it already is.

If all it takes is a loss of 3 meters from the Sneaky Race passive to remove your ability to sneak then I don't know what to tell you.

Twohothardware wrote: »

If all it takes is a loss of 3 meters from the Sneaky Race passive to remove your ability to sneak then I don't know what to tell you.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Seriously Bosmer is looking good right now. "Stealth based" gameplay is largely a fiction in ESO, only maintained in questing.

Invisibility through Cloak is the predominant "stealth" effect and has nothing to do with the racial stealth area reduction or damage passives.

I just don't get how people are complaining about this.

Your focus is on the wrong part of this.

When do you use stealth detection in this game? Let me know. Useless passive is useless.

Twohothardware wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If all it takes is a loss of 3 meters from the Sneaky Race passive to remove your ability to sneak then I don't know what to tell you.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Seriously Bosmer is looking good right now. "Stealth based" gameplay is largely a fiction in ESO, only maintained in questing.

Invisibility through Cloak is the predominant "stealth" effect and has nothing to do with the racial stealth area reduction or damage passives.

I just don't get how people are complaining about this.

Your focus is on the wrong part of this.

When do you use stealth detection in this game? Let me know. Useless passive is useless.

U use stealth detection in PvP if you want to see the person sitting in stealth before they can see you.

So it's only useful in PvP, meanwhile stealth is useful in PvE AND PvP...

Will any other race have a passive that is only good for PvP?

BlueRaven wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If all it takes is a loss of 3 meters from the Sneaky Race passive to remove your ability to sneak then I don't know what to tell you.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Seriously Bosmer is looking good right now. "Stealth based" gameplay is largely a fiction in ESO, only maintained in questing.

Invisibility through Cloak is the predominant "stealth" effect and has nothing to do with the racial stealth area reduction or damage passives.

I just don't get how people are complaining about this.

Your focus is on the wrong part of this.

When do you use stealth detection in this game? Let me know. Useless passive is useless.

U use stealth detection in PvP if you want to see the person sitting in stealth before they can see you.

So it's only useful in PvP, meanwhile stealth is useful in PvE AND PvP...

Will any other race have a passive that is only good for PvP?

Yes, Orc passive which reduces sprint cost and increases sprint speed...