Why are there so many people upset about this? I don't get it.

IMO, regarding ZoS's lack of response... It's either fine, or they don't want to ban (temp or otherwise) and lose 75+% of their players at an arguably very lucrative time of year, in the middle of an event to boot.

Maybe they will "fix" it in time for next years Undaunted Event, if it really is an exploit.
Hopefully by then, we are all playing AoC.

chaoseater99 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kanar , who's being selfish? Those three people - they chose random dungeon. They got MHK. Now they want to cheat, that means they lied about wanting a random. They want a box they did not earn (literally, by the letter of the event rules). It doesn't matter what they want now, if they decide they don't want MHK - they can quit, nobody prevents them. The only honest person among that group would be the one who picked MHK and wants to run it.

Lul no the one who refuses to change dungeons is a selfish little prick who needs to get over himself and his high horse. He deserves to be kicked. Dungeon finder is not a moral issue.

Moral or not, its pretty clear.

You don't want a Daily Random Dungeon.

You want a Daily Guaranteed Quick 'N Easy Dungeon and all the rewards with none of the risk.

I want a sweet reward. Only reason am running so many dungeons instead of running the pledges ( cos timed event?! )..... So would rather steamroll it out...

Still don't get why so many people are complaining, its a 7 day event, a year has 365 days... Just let people run about in FG1 for these 7 days and get as many rewards they can...

PS: If ZOS would just change the event rules to reward quality scaling with dungeon difficulty, it would solve all this exploits though.

While I think this is more of a cheese than an exploit I agree with your last 2 statements. The mysterious reward boxes shouldn't have required queuing for a random dungeon, that would have eliminated the issues with the DF. In addition if the reward boxes were scaled, such that better rewards had a greater chance of dropping from doing tougher dungeons we wouldn't have these issues. Although to be fair, DLC dungeons would need to be excluded I would guess as not everyone can do them.

The funny thing is ZOS essentially did this in the last event where motifs dropped based on content, you couldn't get certain motifs unless you did the specific content.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kova , I don't think that anyone in this thread says that quitting if you didn't land in the dungeon you had in mind is an exploit. (Granted, it may be rude towards the group, but I tend to be calm about it, people sometimes queue for normal instead of vet, or can't stand the dungeon so much they just quit, or just have guest at their door and must run. Happens.) What people are saying is that kicking people that honestly want to run the random they landed in (instead of yielding to being coerced into FG1) is unacceptable.

I actually agree on the kicking part. Is it better to have all three other group members quit rather than kick you? If you waited in a long queue, perhaps it is. So yeah -- the port should only happen by unanimous consent.

Jameliel wrote: »

at times I randomly decide to port to Fungal Grotto and make that my random dungeon.

Hahaha, that's brilliant x'DDD

BTW, the level of stupidity reached the level that when today I landed in FG1 through the legit rng queuing, someone instantly left the group thinking that others somehow affected the dungeon choice.
This is just amazing how people feel the need to whine over the event that takes 1 week in a year.

I honestly have no problem with this at all. I do have a problem having to carry new players who haven't made an effort to learn how to properly DPS, Tank, or Heal. Doing that ruins my fun, why should I ruin my fun for the sake of tolerating this type of behavior? Yeah no thanks. My time in the game is limited and unless ZOS comes out and says this is an exploit, I think this should be fair game.

protofeckless wrote: »

I know you see it this way, but today you are in the distant minority and thus you are the griefer. Your burden doesn't belong to the whole player base. Let it go. Tomorrow things will be back to normal.

Ufretin wrote: »

protofeckless wrote: »

Don't queue for a specific dungeon solo this week. Easy peasy.

Forcing the 99.9% of folks that are farming the event to carry your dungeon is the rude behavior, not the other way around. Assemble your own group if you need a specific dungeon.

In 28 hours or so you get your normal queue behavior back. Chill. This is such a non-issue I hope ZoS is ignoring.

Actually it's the other way around. I'm one of those "exploiters" myself and I've never had any trouble finding a group for FG1 via zone/guild chat.
Imo there's no reason whatsoever to queue solo and grief those players who actually queue for a random dungeon or a specific one.

Yes please ZOS, close this entitlement thread. Waste of time.

Funny that you didn't even read my post.
I AM one of those ppl using the FG1 "exploit".
I'm just wondering: If you can get what you want just as fast (usually faster) by grouping with players in chat rather than queuing solo, why on Earth do some ppl still insist on queuing solo and coming to blows with those who don't want to do FG1?

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

It’s relevent because people don’t have 20-30 minutes to dedicate to longer dungeons in a group finder a night. Personally I have like 4 hours to play a night. I don’t want to spend 3 of that to do random pledges for an event.

Well... if you don't have that much time... then, maybe, don't run that many random normals? ^^ Reward box is awarded not for each fifteen minutes of your time, it's awarded for a random dungeon. Not like you're going there to take what's rightfully yours to begin with - you have to earn it. Earning includes element of randomness. Sometimes longer clear time, true. Lottery. You agree to it by accepting the challenge of the event.

who cares ffs

The people queueing for specific dungeons care.

This was a thing way before the event.

People have been doing this for years when doing daily random and getting a undesired or unprepared for dungeon.

We really need someone from ZoS to say officially if it is a bug or exploit or what.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Suggestion for next year.

Those experienced players who actually assist newer players with the DLC dungeons get a choice of what reward they want.

The lazy people who conveniently forget they once sucked and had to be carried who port to FG1 get RNG (and thus lots of Inferno staffs of Endurance).

What about lazy people who don't mind carrying people but also don't want to spend 30 mins in a DLC dungeon when they can finish FG 1 in 5 mins?

Kanar wrote: »

John_Falstaff VaranisArano Alinhbo_Tyaka StytchFingal
Guess we now see who wore the tattle tail huh? Maybe you grew up to solve your own problems. Oh wait, no. We have this thread

After this thread, I've realized that I have gotten those hard DLC dungeons so often during this event because people are queueing up for them hoping to be carried, because they are incapable of doing them at other times. Before, I would carry if the rest of the group didn't want to change dungeons. Now though I'm just going to drop group if they won't change. I've had enough of doing 70% group DPS as the tank.

I'm so, so glad my elementary teachers were better educators who didn't rely on public shaming to solve their classroom management problems.

Because a culture of "tattle-telling" is a classroom management issue.

And ZOS created the current system where players have to report bugs, glitches, and exploits, and then sit and wait and wait for ZOS to respond, leaving us all in limbo as to what's okay and what's broken, and what's an exploit, and what's going to get people banned. Its a management issue.

ZOS needs better communication, better accountability, better bug fixes, and players need to follow the Code of Conduct they agreed to.

But you seem too hung up on your past elementary school thrills of public shaming to get that. So continuing this debate with you is pointless, accomplishing nothing.

Have a great day.

Kanar wrote: »

@John_Falstaff @VaranisArano @Alinhbo_Tyaka @StytchFingal
Guess we now see who wore the tattle tail huh? Maybe you grew up to solve your own problems. Oh wait, no. We have this thread

After this thread, I've realized that I have gotten those hard DLC dungeons so often during this event because people are queueing up for them hoping to be carried, because they are incapable of doing them at other times. Before, I would carry if the rest of the group didn't want to change dungeons. Now though I'm just going to drop group if they won't change. I've had enough of doing 70% group DPS as the tank.

Assume what you will and do as you must.

It’s sad to see how toxic some players are that they have to berate others for not exploiting a loop hole in the game.

Use the exploit, don’t use the exploit, that’s up to you and your group.

I think this whole debacle is a poor reflection on ZOS and the toxicity they have cultivated within the community given their poor communication and guidance on issues such as these.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I find it very interesting that the act of dungeon jumping is considered the exploit, not the skipping most of the dungeon to run ahead to the end boss.

Well, ESO has something unique in their dungeon finder compared to other MMOs and to be fair it matches the theme of being able to play however you want in the sandbox universe of TES.
In any other dungeon finder I've used it either doesn't have a random option or has it instanced so going to a different dungeon wouldn't put you in the same group and only ESO in any game with a dungeon finder I've played allows the flexibility to teleport directly to the dungeon of your choice and keeps the group together.
This exploit is unique to ESO.
As far as penalties... they haven't patched it out like other games and it's so widespread that they wouldn't find banning effective but it'd be a much simpler matter to rescind the rewards. But it's also been constantly abused since the dawn of ESO so it's more likely it's a feature they don't care is abused (this is a company who coded rooftops to be impossible to stand on and puts invisible slides everywhere on random geography). If they didn't want it happening at all, it wouldn't be possible.

What should be punished is users refusing to play amicably together and those who expect everyone to jump ship to fg1 just because they want to. Dps players qing alone will still be the least listened to in groups, but even if you're a tank a healer and a dps qing together you should still make an effort to be polite and ask. Explain that you'll be done faster than their penalty for dropping q and actually be considerate of the players who didn't sign up for your fg1 spam plan.