Random Dungeon: Is tp to another dungeon (eg: Fungal Grotto) an exploit/cheat?

Derbforgaill

I don't normally do random dungeons, so idk if this is what people do normally, but to me, it seems like cheating.

Twice today, while queueing for the random dungeon in order to complete the event, as soon as we got a dungeon people started porting to Fungal Grotto. When I enquired about it they said it was faster. To me, that seems like an exploit/cheat. In one I was kicked for refusing to teleport to their desired dungeon, and in the second one, I left myself. I ended up grouping with guildmates to avoid this happening a third time.

Do you all do this? Is this normal, or something that people have started doing because of the event?

Protossyder

John_Falstaff

Yes, formally speaking, it is an exploit. People are abusing the fact that although they queued up for a random dungeon (and so agreed to run the dungeon the finder gave them), it's sufficient to manually teleport and clear any dungeon to make the finder think they've cleared the random and award them their rewards.

It's just greed. People are rabidly running as many character as they can - since award is per day per character - trying to get motifs, pets, mounts...

YamiKuruku

yep. not working as intended

THE_BIG_BOSS

ITS an exploit and everyone abusing it should be banned

ITS RANDOM Dungeon Not fungal 1

Ratzkifal

Then again it's a nice feature in case you get a DLC dungeon. (Sometimes people queue for random vet afterall)

"Legally" still an exploit nontheless.

AcadianPaladin

It is inspired by the current event - folks who want to get the mystery boxes but would otherwise never do 'randoms' because they are not interested in possibly ending up in a DLC dungeon with the attendant frustration and time that pugging one can bring.

Is it an exploit? I'd submit yes because it is taking the random out of random. On the other hand, folks have been asking for an option (short of cancelling ESO+) to provide an option to exclude DLC dungeons from randoms for those not up for the DLC ones.

Is it against the rules or actionable by ZoS. At this point I would submit that ZoS has lost moral authority on the issue. The forum has been asking your question of ZoS since the event began and they have remained silent.

ayu_fever

if i am in a pug group, queue for a random, and get a dlc dungeon... then yeah im telling the group to fly to fungal grotto 1 and i will still sleep so very good tonight.

dont blame this exploit or the people doing it.
blame ZOS for not removing dlc dungeons from the random dungeon playlist.
if someone wants to spend 3 hours in moonhunter keep, go for it.
i just do not have the time.

maybe... just maybe... thr cp11 “healer” who spams bow light attacks and the non cp lv22 and lv35 “fake” dps can get through FG1.
good thing i am on tank when doing dungeons because 2 of the 3 i get matched with are always “fake.”

VaranisArano

It is not the "normal" way to run a Daily Random Dungeon. The extra rewards come from the risk of getting a harder dungeon.

It not how we did this event last year either. Last year, we ran the dungeon we got or took the 15 minute penalty and hoped for an easier dungeon.

No doubt there will be plenty of folks here defending it, claiming it makes their lives easier and asking why on Earth would we complain about it. They'll justify it because ZOS didn't fix it right away, or because it lets them skip DLC dungeons, or because the event has problems already.

But the honest truth is that it's supposed to be the "Daily Random Dungeon" not the "Daily Guaranteed Quick 'N Easy Dungeon."

thorwyn

If a group had one lvl 10 character with them and would queue up for a random dungeon over and over while the other players would cycle through their high level chars after each run, would that still be an exploit? I mean... they started their random dungeon fair and square.

akl77

I feel bad for the people that actually want to do the dlc normal dungeon, but half the group already ported to fg1 and finished it and drop group. What can you do, ZOS really need to patch this exploit up even before the event.

John_Falstaff

I frankly feel that "if we're not given option to exclude DLCs, then we'll use exploit" is a bad line of thought, because it implies that players are somehow entitled to the reward no matter what. The criteria for earning the reward is clearly defined: running a random normal, and DLCs are included in the contract. If player doesn't feel ready to fulfill the obligation - means they're not entitled to get the reward, simple as that.

Last night I ran a normal, landed in nWGT. Tank (high CP, 50k health) leaves instantly without a word. We wait for another five minutes, get a tank; whole group is very new, medium CP but no experience, first clears. I stop before bosses, explain mechanics, whole group is very sweet, we take time, clear the dungeon, end up having great time together and part with warm words. So, folks, teach people, don't make them abuse the game. And if you so value your extra twenty minutes of time, then run "random" FG1 with guildies.

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

YamiKuruku wrote: »

yep. not working as intended

Half of the game is not working as intended because of poor coding.

Thorstienn

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

ITS an exploit and everyone abusing it should be banned

ITS RANDOM Dungeon Not fungal 1

Haha. That would be the death of this game. General and guild chats are filled with ppl forming groups to do this.

Re OP. Not sure this needed yet another thread. It ultimately go back to being a non issue in like 1 more day. It has existed for as long as I can remember, not sure why it's getting highlighted so much now.
There are for more pressing issues I would like then to fix, rather than them wasting time working on this, only to undoubtedly break something else.
Sorry if they kick you etc, that's individuals being rude, and that will always be a possibility no matter what the situation in online games. People are garbage

VaranisArano

thorwyn wrote: »

If a group had one lvl 10 character with them and would queue up for a random dungeon over and over while the other players would cycle through their high level chars after each run, would that still be an exploit? I mean... they started their random dungeon fair and square.

No, that's not an exploit.

Low level characters are intended to be limited in which dungeon they get. So grouping with a low level character is an acceptable way to limit yourselve to a "pool" of easier dungeons - Usually Fungal Grotto 1, Spindleclutch 1, and Banished Cells 1.

That's an intended function of groupfinder because it prevents what used to happen. Used to be that Level 10 ESO+ subscribers had access to all the DLC dungeons at level 10...and you can imagine how well level 10s did in White Gold Tower. So ZOS changed the difficulty to be more appropriate for low level characters and the groups they are in by limiting the queues.

Thats not the same as the current exploit, wherein people get a certain dungeon, deliberately complete a different, easier dungeon, and still get the rewards. What's intended is that if you get a harder dungeon, you either complete it or take the 15 minute queue penalty and try your luck again.

Yuls

Thorstienn wrote: »

It ultimately go back to being a non issue in like 1 more day. It has existed for as long as I can remember, not sure why it's getting highlighted so much now.

I don't think this behaviour will disappear after the event. Yes, a lot of folks did know about it for a very long time, but a lot of others were completely unaware, and like it's been said before, every channel right now is full of the "just port to FG1" advise.
So why should they stop after the event, random gives nice xp. You might see no harm in someone doing 15 FG1 each day every day for a nice xp sum, others might think differently.

thorwyn

VaranisArano wrote: »

No, that's not an exploit.

Low level characters are intended to be limited in which dungeon they get. So grouping with a low level character is an acceptable way to limit yourselve to a "pool" of easier dungeons - Usually Fungal Grotto 1, Spindleclutch 1, and Banished Cells 1.

I know and I agree with you, but the result is the same.

YamiKuruku

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

YamiKuruku wrote: »

yep. not working as intended

Half of the game is not working as intended because of poor coding.

doesn't justify to use exploits tho even if the game is broken xD

VaranisArano

thorwyn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

No, that's not an exploit.

Low level characters are intended to be limited in which dungeon they get. So grouping with a low level character is an acceptable way to limit yourselve to a "pool" of easier dungeons - Usually Fungal Grotto 1, Spindleclutch 1, and Banished Cells 1.

I know and I agree with you, but the result is the same.

Er, no,

The result is not the same.

Unless the new player is always exactly level 10, there's a pool of dungeons. Also, the other players in the group are running with a low level character. Its not like you have 4 max CP player skipping Vaults of Madness to go run FG 1.

The group with low level characters IS running their random dungeon, just limiting the pool by having a low level in group - which is intended behavior by the groupfinder.

The group getting a random dungeon and porting to FG1 instead IS NOT running their random dungeon and getting the rewards anyway.

Not the same at all.

stojekarcub18_ESO

random last night put us in Falkreath...was first time for all 4 of us. We easily finished it. Was much more enjoyable than running Fungal for the 10 millionth time.

Haashhtaag

stojekarcub18_ESO wrote: »

random last night put us in Falkreath...was first time for all 4 of us. We easily finished it. Was much more enjoyable than running Fungal for the 10 millionth time.

How long did it take you? Also how many characters do you have?

Mureel

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Yes, formally speaking, it is an exploit. People are abusing the fact that although they queued up for a random dungeon (and so agreed to run the dungeon the finder gave them), it's sufficient to manually teleport and clear any dungeon to make the finder think they've cleared the random and award them their rewards.

It's just greed. People are rabidly running as many character as they can - since award is per day per character - trying to get motifs, pets, mounts...

Says who?

Also, says who that the one who wants other people to help them with/carry them through ICP is not greedy?

Context.

John_Falstaff

Haashhtaag wrote: »

How long did it take you? Also how many characters do you have?

I see where are you going with it and going to ask: how is that relevant? Do you feel that people must value your time because you really really really want all those fifteen reward boxes tonight? ^^ If you really want FG1 speedruns - get together with guildmates, so you all could mutually agree on violating the promise you all gave by using the finder. That way, you're not forcing anyone else to be dishonest.

SantieClaws

Technically you would go on Santie's naughty list if you did this.

However this has apparently been happening for a while and the gods have not yet turned anyone into a cheese wheel nor made a statement of intent regarding the possibility of being turned into a cheese wheel.

Perhaps they wait to make the long requested 'no DLC' an option on the dungeon finder before they declare cheese wheel season after that perhaps?

Perhaps it is only the collision of this and the event that has made it more relevant? After all how many travellers run dungeons on multiple apprentices the rest of the year?

Perhaps they are just writing very slowly at the moment and they intend to clarify the matter before Fishmas?

So to conclude yes this is naughty but no one knows if the gods really care or not.

The real question is do you like cheese so much you are willing to chance it?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

John_Falstaff

Mureel wrote: »

Says who?

Also, says who that the one who wants other people to help them with/carry them through ICP is not greedy?

Context.

Says dungeon finder. There's word 'random' there, if you mean who says you should run random normal (and not random FG1) when you select random normal. As for carry - if you're not satisfied with your group, you're free to leave and find another group. They're not expecting you to stay after all, not unless you want to - free country.

Haashhtaag

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

How long did it take you? Also how many characters do you have?

I see where are you going with it and going to ask: how is that relevant? Do you feel that people must value your time because you really really really want all those fifteen reward boxes tonight? ^^ If you really want FG1 speedruns - get together with guildmates, so you all could mutually agree on violating the promise you all gave by using the finder. That way, you're not forcing anyone else to be dishonest.

It’s relevent because people don’t have 20-30 minutes to dedicate to longer dungeons in a group finder a night. Personally I have like 4 hours to play a night. I don’t want to spend 3 of that to do random pledges for an event.

John_Falstaff

Haashhtaag wrote: »

It’s relevent because people don’t have 20-30 minutes to dedicate to longer dungeons in a group finder a night. Personally I have like 4 hours to play a night. I don’t want to spend 3 of that to do random pledges for an event.

Well... if you don't have that much time... then, maybe, don't run that many random normals? ^^ Reward box is awarded not for each fifteen minutes of your time, it's awarded for a random dungeon. Not like you're going there to take what's rightfully yours to begin with - you have to earn it. Earning includes element of randomness. Sometimes longer clear time, true. Lottery. You agree to it by accepting the challenge of the event.

tactx

Given how buggy the event is, I think fair is fair. Also some of these people are on their n'th character trying to get their reward box for the day. Give them a break? This only happens during the event from what I've seen.

If you want to do a specific dungeon, form a group and do your thing and let the people lucky enough to get through the queue for their boxes do their thing.

chaoseater99

This is happening and will keep happening until the event ends. One week in a year, people just want to speedrun Fungal Grotto 1 basically to get the mystery boxes. Since the exploit is there (surprise ZOS, did you think people won't exploit this?) people will do this till the event ends. I only had 30 minutes of playtime last night and I too did the same for 3 of my toons.

Basically people right now are running into the dungeons only for the rewards. If someone wants to genuinely just play random dungeons, you should either just form a 4 person group or just wait till the event ends. Let the people farm whatever they want for just 7 days and then everything goes back to normal.

Peace out

bottleofsyrup

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

It’s relevent because people don’t have 20-30 minutes to dedicate to longer dungeons in a group finder a night. Personally I have like 4 hours to play a night. I don’t want to spend 3 of that to do random pledges for an event.

Well... if you don't have that much time... then, maybe, don't run that many random normals? ^^ Reward box is awarded not for each fifteen minutes of your time, it's awarded for a random dungeon. Not like you're going there to take what's rightfully yours to begin with - you have to earn it. Earning includes element of randomness. Sometimes longer clear time, true. Lottery. You agree to it by accepting the challenge of the event.

who cares ffs

Agenericname

In the end it doesnt matter what I think, it'll be ZOS that decides. Theyll either condone it with silence or they'll fix it.

I doubt that ZOS intended for this event to be an introduction to the first and last boss of nFG1. I also doubt that they intended for any of the other bugs to be there as well. I suppose we will see.

I havent used it.