Random Dungeon: Is tp to another dungeon (eg: Fungal Grotto) an exploit/cheat?

Kanar

VaranisArano wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kanar , who's being selfish? Those three people - they chose random dungeon. They got MHK. Now they want to cheat, that means they lied about wanting a random. They want a box they did not earn (literally, by the letter of the event rules). It doesn't matter what they want now, if they decide they don't want MHK - they can quit, nobody prevents them. The only honest person among that group would be the one who picked MHK and wants to run it.

Lul no the one who refuses to change dungeons is a selfish little prick who needs to get over himself and his high horse. He deserves to be kicked. Dungeon finder is not a moral issue.

Moral or not, its pretty clear.

You don't want a Daily Random Dungeon.

You want a Daily Guaranteed Quick 'N Easy Dungeon and all the rewards with none of the risk.

Ok, on one hand we have people who want to run easier dungeons.

On the other side, we have people that are mad that some people get to run easier dungeons. These people also want developer time to be spent fixing an "exploit" that no one uses or cares about in the other 51 weeks. Finally, these people are so uptight that they can't just enjoy this very trivial thing but instead must come to the forums and cry about it because it is a breach of their morals and ethics.

John_Falstaff

@Kanar , you must be joking. ^^ The only person who wants to be honest and run the dungeon he signed up for ends up in the wrong. Something's up with community's moral compass if they seek excuses to sell their conscience for a motif or a pet.

StormChaser3000

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@StormChaser3000 , why I'm forcing them to run CoA2? Simplest question: of course because they wanted that. They picked "random" and pressed button, signing up. They got CoA2 as their random, the dungeon they just declared they want and promise to run. They wanted randomness, they got it, and if they suddenly have change of heart - doesn't entitle them to anything. They can fulfill their obligation or bail, nobody holds them.

Lol, is there a ckeckbox saing " I swear on bible(or whatever) to run any crappy dungeon I get though this search tool" ? No? Then they don't owe you anything.

Riverlynn

John_Falstaff wrote: »

... if they seek excuses to sell their conscience for a motif or a pet.

While I agree with you in part, I think you need to dial back the hyperbole.

I mean - 'sell their conscience'?. Jesus.

Kanar

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kanar , you must be joking. ^^ The only person who wants to be honest and run the dungeon he signed up for ends up in the wrong. Something's up with community's moral compass if they seek excuses to sell their conscience for a motif or a pet.

Yep that's right you are the one in the wrong. Here's an example: in my elementary school (many years ago) the teachers had a big tail shape cut out of construction paper. If any kid "tattled" on another kid, then the kid reporting (tattling) had to wear that big tattle tail as a punishment.

The moral is that no one likes tattle tails and they don't do anything beneficial; they just slow down the system with trivial complaints.

So yeah, you should be punished for being a tattle tail and stick-in-the-mud.

MooseKnuckles88

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Then again it's a nice feature in case you get a DLC dungeon. (Sometimes people queue for random vet afterall)

"Legally" still an exploit nontheless.

I had an experience just like this the other night. I queued as a dps for a random in both normal and veteran to reduce my wait time. I finally loaded a random on veteran, so I accept. I spawn into Ruins of Mazz on vet. Our dps was cp785(me) and cp396, healer was cp780, and tank cp570. Healer immediately makes a comment about how this isnt the most pug friendly dungeon and I agreed. We proceeded anyway. We finally get to the final boss after about an hour getting through the other content with only two wipes at the poison carry boss. Myself and the healer are the only ones with mics, our tank and other dps cannot communicate the mechs on the final boss and now we start wiping repeatedly. The healer had to go and the lower cp dps also left. We get another dps and healer into the dungeon for the final boss and after one wipe the healer DC'd. It's now been about nearly two hours and I finally make the suggestion to travel to another dungeon to finish our random. While it was my first time trying Mazz on vet I did learn that it's nearly impossible to do the last boss without everyone having a mic. My point is we tried and therefore in some cases it was a nice option to have to be able to still finish my random even though it was not what I initially spawned into. People who are getting coh2 or something then immediately fast travelling into fg1 are abusing the system for everyone else. Had I not had that option to leave Ruins of Mazz, I would have had to requeue for something that I started two hours ago plus my initial time I waited in queue. All the while the dungeon finder was starting to crash for us on NA ps4 as well.

John_Falstaff

@StormChaser3000 , no need, the drop-down list with word "random" is enough to express their desire and obligations. It's a moral contract they make. They don't intend to run it? They're liars and violate that moral compass and rules of the event, hence they're not entitled to rewards in either case.

@Kanar , unrelated example. What you had in your school has nothing in common with our situation. What we're observing here is four kids, three want to steal a cake, fourth wants to stay honest and earn the cake. Three coerce the fourth into stealing, because it's easier and they don't want to waste their time. Mm-m, wonder if your teacher would encourage the fourth to go ahead and steal...

NeroBad

Honestly I would do Random Dungeons if there would be an option as ESO+ player to exclude DLC ones (also CoA2 for its longevity but I can live with the 15 min ban for that rare occasion). But when I got 4 WGT in a row I'm easely persuaded to do FG1. I like many of the Dungeons but for Random normal the DLC ones are a excesive for me.

It is only for this 7 day. PVP during PVP event is broken because of the overfload, and there are team who do circles for fatser AP. It's a yearly "exploit" but not that harmfull and totally understandable.

I mean if they say it is considered an exploit then they should advertise it via ingame login message, because many who do this, are not that experienced and learned it from others.

John_Falstaff

@Riverlynn , you'll be surprised, I'm quite serious here. I firmly believe that morals root in small things, even in such small ones as being honest (and fair to others) in a game. In for a penny, in for a pound.

VaranisArano

Kanar wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kanar , you must be joking. ^^ The only person who wants to be honest and run the dungeon he signed up for ends up in the wrong. Something's up with community's moral compass if they seek excuses to sell their conscience for a motif or a pet.

Yep that's right you are the one in the wrong. Here's an example: in my elementary school (many years ago) the teachers had a big tail shape cut out of construction paper. If any kid "tattled" on another kid, then the kid reporting (tattling) had to wear that big tattle tail as a punishment.

The moral is that no one likes tattle tails and they don't do anything beneficial; they just slow down the system with trivial complaints.

So yeah, you should be punished for being a tattle tail and stick-in-the-mud.

I'm a teacher.

Good God, your elementary teachers sound like a piece of work.

If tattling is a problem in their class, there are better ways to handle it that dont involve public shaming.

Maybe consider that educational standards have evolved since that time many years ago?

And maybe consider that reporting a clear bug and asking ZOS to fix it so that the Daily Random Dungeon rewards are in fact awarded for the Daily Random Dungeon and not for porting to Fungal Grotto is not the same as a elementary class with a problem of being all up in each other's business and tattling on others instead of worrying about their own behavior?

Unlike elementary students, we're required by the TOS and Code of Conduct we all agreed to to report bugs, glitches, and exploits when we find them and to stop using them, whether or not they benefit us.

gepe87

Who cares? We aint get any cool stuff from boxes.

Aliyavana

If DLC dungeons were not included then people wouldn't use it

Tasear

I passed this information first day of the event.

StormChaser3000

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@StormChaser3000 , no need, the drop-down list with word "random" is enough to express their desire and obligations. It's a moral contract they make. They don't intend to run it? They're liars and violate that moral compass and rules of the event, hence they're not entitled to rewards in either case.

That doesn't mean smything. What moral compaas have those people who feel that a group MUST carry them whenever and wherever they want? It's not for you to tell them what to. If you can't live for 10 days a year without real random runs I believe there is something wrong with you and not them.

Riverlynn

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Riverlynn , you'll be surprised, I'm quite serious here. I firmly believe that morals root in small things, even in such small ones as being honest (and fair to others) in a game. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Again, I agree in part...but pick your battles.

Lecturing (bordering on preaching in places) to a ravening horde of self entitled greed-fuelled needy gamers obsessed with maximising their drop rewards will get you...well, this thread.

Might have to accept that any MMO event will bring out the worst in a lot of it's participants, it's a (relatively) consequence free environment so the behaviour you see during these events will always be pretty nasty - just try and move past it. If people in my pug want to Fungal, then so be it. If they want to do the dungeon we were dealt, even better! For me at least, it's not heralding the end times and the fall of civilisation as we know it - it's just human nature.

It's not all bad though - the last random I queued for popped to Fungal! Everyone one in the group thought that was funny, and agreed to run the WHOLE thing - without the exploity shortcut. We had fun, and now I have three new peeps on the friend-list.

John_Falstaff

@StormChaser3000 , "wherever"? I don't understand you. It's the dungeon all involved parties have agreed to run together by queueing up. If some of them suddenly had a change of heart - it's on them, they're the ones failing their party members (who honestly intend to run the random or what they signed up for). If those former ones feel entitled to reward box and demand it for only fifteen minutes of their time instead of random clear terms of event require - why, something's definitely wrong with them. ^^

Aliyavana

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

ITS an exploit and everyone abusing it should be banned

ITS RANDOM Dungeon Not fungal 1

A bit of a harsh overreaction but oh well.

max_only

How many more open topics do we need on this?

5 more?

Yeah, let’s open 5 more.

John_Falstaff

@Riverlynn , I'll admit you must be right about it, I probably won't make a slightest impact here. ^^ I sometimes get drawn in disputes, granted.

And again, nothing's bad when whole party wants the same - I even had it in one of responses earlier in the thread. Everyone's adult consenting people, everyone knows and wants what they're doing, so it's between them and ZOS. The only thing I'm really considering an offender (of those mentioned around) is either kicking or coercing the party member who wants to actually run what they're given.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

Kanar wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kanar , you must be joking. ^^ The only person who wants to be honest and run the dungeon he signed up for ends up in the wrong. Something's up with community's moral compass if they seek excuses to sell their conscience for a motif or a pet.

Yep that's right you are the one in the wrong. Here's an example: in my elementary school (many years ago) the teachers had a big tail shape cut out of construction paper. If any kid "tattled" on another kid, then the kid reporting (tattling) had to wear that big tattle tail as a punishment.

The moral is that no one likes tattle tails and they don't do anything beneficial; they just slow down the system with trivial complaints.

So yeah, you should be punished for being a tattle tail and stick-in-the-mud.

Wow lets teach kids to never report anything so when Bobby sees Johnny choking Freddy he won't tell because tattletales are bad. Whoever your teacher was should lose their credentials. There are much better ways to teach kids how to determine what is important to report and what is not. I'm not even going to get into the false equivalency and the lack of relationship this argument has with players using an exploit to change dungeons.

chaoseater99

VaranisArano wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@Kanar , who's being selfish? Those three people - they chose random dungeon. They got MHK. Now they want to cheat, that means they lied about wanting a random. They want a box they did not earn (literally, by the letter of the event rules). It doesn't matter what they want now, if they decide they don't want MHK - they can quit, nobody prevents them. The only honest person among that group would be the one who picked MHK and wants to run it.

Lul no the one who refuses to change dungeons is a selfish little prick who needs to get over himself and his high horse. He deserves to be kicked. Dungeon finder is not a moral issue.

Moral or not, its pretty clear.

You don't want a Daily Random Dungeon.

You want a Daily Guaranteed Quick 'N Easy Dungeon and all the rewards with none of the risk.

I want a sweet reward. Only reason am running so many dungeons instead of running the pledges ( cos timed event?! )..... So would rather steamroll it out...

Still don't get why so many people are complaining, its a 7 day event, a year has 365 days... Just let people run about in FG1 for these 7 days and get as many rewards they can...

PS: If ZOS would just change the event rules to reward quality scaling with dungeon difficulty, it would solve all this exploits though.

Ufretin

Since when has this bug been around, anyway? I didn't know about it until 3 days ago...

albesca

It's an exploit, I don't think there could be any doubt: you have access to the reward only if you complete a random dungeon.

I think that ZOS should make an official statement about this, should fix it (for example by enabling the reward only after the completion of the random dungeon selected, not just any dungeon) and in the meantime punish as they see fit those that would abuse this after said statement.

abzdeman

Seriously who cares. So many bug breaking issues with this game and all you care about is other people trying to get their character's through quick.

Everyone is doing it so ban everyone? just port to fungal grotto 1 and get it over and done with.

emilyhyoyeon

I've been running 7 characters per day without doing the FG thing because I'm afraid that ZOS will taken action for this. I don't think anything will happen but I don't want to risk it

Danikat

Hypothetically what would you do if you queued up and genuinely got Fungal Grotto I or another easy dungeon on your first try? Would you consider yourself lucky and do it, or would you leave and queue again because you do not think you deserve the rewards for doing such an easy dungeon?

More realistically what about people who use slightly longer work-arounds like grouping with low level characters or people who don't own the dungeon DLCs so they only get the 'easy' dungeons? Or people who leave and queue again until they get a dungeon they want to do? Is that ok because it takes longer (especially with the group finder in it's current state) or should they also be banned?

If you think that's ok then why is it such a problem if a group uses a quicker method to achieve the same thing? And if not how do you suggest ZOS enforce this?

What about the low level players and people who choose not to buy dungeon DLC? Should they be banned from participating in the event all together because they don't meet your personal standards for which dungeons should be included?

(On that last point, but not quite within scope of this topic - I'm one of those people and I'd actually prefer ZOS to do it like the Clockwork City event where the DLC is opened to everyone for the duration of the event. I don't buy dungeon DLC because I don't do dungeons often enough to justify it, but maybe if they are so different to the base game ones I'd find I really enjoy them and want to buy them. I should remember to try some next time there's an ESO+ free trial.)

StormChaser3000

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@StormChaser3000 , "wherever"? I don't understand you. It's the dungeon all involved parties have agreed to run together by queueing up. If some of them suddenly had a change of heart - it's on them, they're the ones failing their party members (who honestly intend to run the random or what they signed up for). If those former ones feel entitled to reward box and demand it for only fifteen minutes of their time instead of random clear terms of event require - why, something's definitely wrong with them. ^^

No they didn't agree.
Thais a pointless arguing now if you don't see obvious things. Let's agree to disagree.

protofeckless

Maybe an exploit, but also very near the very bottom of a very long list of higher priority issues. Let it go people.

Mrsinister2

protofeckless wrote: »

Maybe an exploit, but also very near the very bottom of a very long list of higher priority issues. Let it go people.

There gonna fix this meanwhile I've been stuck in combat for almost a month now

Facefister

Why is this bad? Don't queue random or get friends if you want something specific. Noone has time to carry and play teacher someone or some people through a DLC dungeon for the xth time.