Random Dungeon: Is tp to another dungeon (eg: Fungal Grotto) an exploit/cheat?

Glurin

Calste85 wrote: »

The only people who give a second thought to this are a few sweaty knuckled tryhards trying to get carried through dungeons for the latest META gear, upset that they can't demand the time of other players. I was trying to grind gear the other day, queued for one dungeon, was placed in an entirely different one, the others decided to do FG1, I helped them run their dungeon and then queued for my dungeon, no sweat. As buggy as this game is, to be the Queen of Hearts("off with his head" etc) over those bugs that ultimately are zenimax's fault is rather juvenile, and if zenimax caved to their demands then rational people would look for a new game from a different company.

Oh no you don't. Forget about "off with his head" or any punishment at all for that matter. We can't even get you people to acknowledge that this is a flaw in the system and that it should be fixed.

Here's a news flash for you. Not once have I said anyone should be punished over this. NOT ONCE!

max_only

This is still going?

Official Zos Response from German forum

sudaki_eso wrote: »

This discussion is still going on? Why is here no offical response like we got in the german forum which would end this discussion in seconds?

This is what ZOS said about it:

Das ist sicher nicht im Sinne des Erfinders, wie man so schön sagt. Allerdings verstehe ich auch, wenn jemand z.B. in der Mittagspause oder bei begrenzter Zeit im Spiel unglücklich ist, wenn er bei Zufallsverliesen eines der komplizierteren oder längerwierigeren zugewiesen bekommt.

Ich sehe keinen Grund, das zu ahnden aber vielleicht können wir es spieltechnisch für die Zukunft unterbinden.

In english:

That is certainly not in the sense of the inventor, as the saying goes. However, I also understand when someone, e.g. is unhappy in the lunch break or limited time in the game, when he gets assigned to one of the more complicated or longer-lasting random dungeons.

I see no reason to punish this, but maybe we can stop it for the future.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/5646569/#Comment_5646569

That is certainly not in the sense of the inventor, as the saying goes. However, I also understand when someone, e.g. is unhappy in the lunch break or limited time in the game, when he gets assigned to one of the more complicated or longer-lasting random dungeons.

I see no reason to punish this, but maybe we can stop it for the future.

xan4silkb14_ESO

I'm going to make one more comment because this just happened to me yesterday. I queued for the Blackheart Haven pledge and the Random's that showed up wanted to port to FG1 for a quick run. Since it was my first time in this dungeon and already they wanted to do a quickie I just left for them to do whatever they were going to do. I then got some guildmates together and ran Blackheart and its quest no problem. So looks like people love using this unintended consequence of faulty coding just for the rewards, even without the added event prizes.

Calste85

@Glurin I don't seem to recall naming you specifically in my comment which you conveniently linked, there were other comments like this

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

ITS an exploit and everyone abusing it should be banned

ITS RANDOM Dungeon Not fungal 1

You know it's not all about you all the time. Yes this is most likely not an intended functionality of the system, but it is extremely minor when compared to the actual issues with the game. And is entirely zenimax's fault.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Yes it is an exploit. Not everyone using the Dungeon Finder is selecting a Random dungeon. Some of us are actually selecting the Pledges for the day or a dungeon we need to complete for an Achievement. So when we end up with someone that instantly ports to another dungeon to "make it quick, make it easy" it has defeated the purpose of the Dungeon Finder.

Hope ZOS implements a fix for this soon.

Calste85

Honestly this has been a thing as long as I can remember where you could complete random daily by killing final boss in a different dungeon it's just almost nobody noticed it was happening until this event gave incentive to actually complete them, then some players who were paying attention started abusing it and others who weren't, started losing their minds. Yeah that is a run on sentence for the grammar trolls out there.

BoneShatterer

paulychan wrote: »

The people who do this are the same ones who speed run everything, do nothing but ask for skyreach carries and mindlessly fight mobs of zombies in CH, zerg... The list goes on.
Join a guild and make friends so you don't have to deal with them. Like, at all.

been there done that... 7 of my friends made their account...... so we could play togetter......im the only one left we had 2 tank 3 dps and 2 healers and me being a magplar with a jack of all trade build, i can dps while casting off heals...
what do you recommend? bribe them into coming back to the game via me buying them for 250$ worth of DLC each?
we have to deal with the *** bethesda created and sometime we get stuck in the *** hole of progression because some players abuse the unfixed bugs and glitches they never had any intentions of fixing

CaptainInfested

This needs to be patched so you only get the rewards if you kill the last boss of the dungeon you get randomly assigned by the finder.

D0PAMINE

I don't care what people do in dungeons. It's between the group and no one else. Since there are no given numbers on whether or not more PUG's or Guildie groups use it more, and since the threads died down after Undaunted event, I'd say its really the last thing on my mind, esspecially with that thread about cheating and the trainer program being sold.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Slight necro. I thought they stealth changed this? Where it no longer gives you the reward box if you port to new dungeon.

zaria

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Slight necro. I thought they stealth changed this? Where it no longer gives you the reward box if you port to new dungeon.

Saw an request for random FG1 in an guild chat today, it got people and no other response outside of mine [Sarcasm]
Yes its an minor exploit (minor as you will not be punished)
Still its an issue if used in pugs, if I do normals its a dlc. All others are easy enough to pug in vet.
Don't to randoms as I have enough cp, and don't do dungeons unless pledge this give better groups.
I'm just after the quest and skillpoint.

CaptainInfested

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Slight necro. I thought they stealth changed this? Where it no longer gives you the reward box if you port to new dungeon.

If they did that, then some people out there don't know about it and continue porting to FG.

I was in LFR on my healer, Spindleclutch I. No other player from the group in the instance but me. No reply to "hi, where is everyone?". Opened the group window, and of course, everyone was in FG1. -___- I left the group but got the queue debuff. Instead of punishing players doing the exploits, the system punishes the ones who don't.

Even the DLC dungeons are easy enough on normal. After the queue debuff expired, I got into a normal group and got Spindleclutch I by chance. We breezed through it in about the same time it would take us to go through FG1.

If I wanted to gain fast exp by a mindless grind, I would farm dolmens or queue BGs. When I want to play random dungeons, I should not be forced to go into FG1.

Juju_beans

Calste85 wrote: »

Honestly this has been a thing as long as I can remember where you could complete random daily by killing final boss in a different dungeon it's just almost nobody noticed it was happening until this event gave incentive to actually complete them, then some players who were paying attention started abusing it and others who weren't, started losing their minds. Yeah that is a run on sentence for the grammar trolls out there.

Might have been a thing that not too many used in the past. But I see it often enough now "LFM to run fake random" and even in guild chat for some of my guilds "Anyone want to run a fake random".

dazee

People who do this without first getting a full party should be banned. People who do use a full party arent hurting anyone, and its ZOS fault they can't code.

Kidgangster101

dazee wrote: »

People who do this without first getting a full party should be banned. People who do use a full party arent hurting anyone, and its ZOS fault they can't code.

I disagree. If people know this is going on in the game they should just shout to form a full pre made group.

This is no different then a player quing in to an instance as a fake healer or fake tank. The solution to this problem if you want to have a full group is to que with a pre made group.

Until zos fixes the fake tank/healer this should just stay this way it is identical tbh.

karthrag_inak

easy fix. make "pick the dungeon" and "random dungeon" choices give same rewards. then nobody will be forced to "endure" something they don't want to.

Colecovision

If the difficulty of the dungeons were just properly labeled, then I can see really putting the hammer on this. But we're not at that point.

First off, there are no normal dlc dungeons. It's vet and super vet. If the 1st boss has one shots for a vMA build AND an add that gives one shots, then that doesn't belong in the random category with normal dungeons that many of us can easily solo the vet version of. Random, fine, but there needs to be a reasonable difficulty setting and there isn't.

Forget dlc vs non dlc and vet vs normal. Mixed together, the game has at least 6 levels of dungeon difficulty and the tool that's being exploited mixes levels 1 - 5 (normal) and 2 - 6 (vet). It's absurd to get on a high horse and tell players not to use the exploit that gets them out of that.

Imo people need to just move on until ZoS gets their act together. When the DF can provide an appropriate difficulty level, then people jumping from Wayrest1 to fg1 need to get more than just the shame stick.