ZO$ don't know what to do, they aren't the worse MMO devs I have seen but are certainly incompetent when it comes to changes made in the game and the vision of a complete ESO. Things like class identity and balancing should have been nailed or at least set on a specific path a LONG time ago. These stupid little changes they keep making and the inability to separate PvE and PvP are what ruin the game.

ZOS has literally no idea for any of the classes. They slap nerfs to whatever is strong in such a blanket way. They homogenize classes actively and accidentally through bad changes. There is not one class I would say has a baked in identity, the closest is stamblade and even then nightblade as a whole has taken some bad ideas (The heal whilst dmging is worse than warden DK and templar despite having the siphoning tree.

Logic is not zeni's strong suit.

I agree with all posts here so far :'(

Also, I opened the thread just to write one thing, but it was already written

crafter

Yeah, ZOS's sorc nerfs really make no sense. Ability after ability gets nerfed and/or reworked, and there's no direction whatsoever with the changes. Half our abilities contradict the other half, and each one basically only does a single thing, so our bar space is extremely limited. Sorc is really nothing much more than a stew of leftover skills at this point.

Nightblade fodder
like everything else

It's not about class identity. At all.

It was about putting risk back into the equation for overly strong ranged magicka builds. There should always be some risk in a combat encounter. Feeling that you're invincible to mistakes means that a game mechanic wasn't functioning as intended.

That mechanic has been revised to better meet the developers' expectations of how players should be actively playing a range magicka build. With a combination of shields and active defense responses, not just shields alone.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.

you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us.
we all suffered changes.
just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced.

You seem to have a lot of undue anger towards sorcs. Is there anything I can do to help?

Acrolas wrote: »

It's not about class identity. At all.

It was about putting risk back into the equation for overly strong ranged magicka builds. There should always be some risk in a combat encounter. Feeling that you're invincible to mistakes means that a game mechanic wasn't functioning as intended.

That mechanic has been revised to better meet the developers' expectations of how players should be actively playing a range magicka build. With a combination of shields and active defense responses, not just shields alone.

This post assumes I am only talking about shields ans that Sorcerers have other defenses besides shields

Both assumptions are wrong

Valrien wrote: »

It seems that every time Sorcerer finds its place in the game ZOS nerfs it without giving it a clear path of where it wants to go. The abilities being contradictory don't help either.

Sorcs are the CC class? ZOS slowly makes CC less and less useful (Negate used to work on the Hel Ra HM Gargoyles, for example) and nerfs their single target CCs like Rune Cage and Frags

Sorcs are the mobility class? Bolt Escape and Major Expedition have both been severely nerfed

Sorcs are the burst class? Damage nerfs

Sorcs are the tanky class? Shield nerfs

Not to mention, Sorcs are supposed to be the ranged class so why is Boundless Storm a melee range ability while Hurricane is the one with decent range? Should it not be the other way around? If Sorcs are supposed to take damage with their shields, why do they have "block" abilities like Persistence and Bound Armor?

I genuinely think ZOS just does not know what they want Sorcerer to be, as it is having a massive identity crisis right now and the class is designed in such a way where it is either too good or nowhere near good enough

I'm a sorc, I just beat VMA for the first time last night and that's what I am. A mSorc that can beat VMA.

My shield and matriarch defensive magsorc used to be pretty survivable (Empowered Ward, Surge, Boundless, Matriarch). Her sustain was okay since she was a heavy attack + AoE (Blockade + Lightning Flood) build. Her dps was modest and I was fine with that because she was survivable. After the nerf, she is squishier than my magplar and magblade and does less dps than either. And for all that I have the privilege of having flappy wings in my face making it hard to see.


The nerf was supposedly to make healers more relevant and require players to make 'interesting choices'. Here's my thoughts on that:

Healer relevancy: Healers used to help my magsorc by buffing her up and keeping her red topped up with HoTs. They are now irrelevant since healers can't prevent a weak shield mage from one shots.

'Interesting choices': Retired my dear magsorc since she is no longer fun and noticeably weaker than my non-sorc mages.


My magsorc was a wonderful character. I've had a gutfull of 'adapting'. Yes, I know of the changes I could make to my sorc. I also know why I made her the way I did - because it was fun. The required 'changes' would render her not fun anymore so why bother?

So is Warden p2w?

Did someone just use the word suffering in regards to playing a video game *shoots self*