Earthgore at 35 seconds burst heal vs all the skill, light n heavy, plus 1, 2, and 4 second proc sets... i wonder which is higher over time...the incoming overall damage or earthgore over 30 seconds

What? It’s mostly useless if you have any kind of defile (which everyone has). Trollking provides better constant—or burst if you have regen—healing overall. Even Bogdan provides better group healing, especially with Argonian/ healing bonuses and it has no cool down at all. Earthgore saves you once every 36s, which is a lifetime in PVP and not great if you’re facing multiple opponents. Earthgore also can’t be targeted and if you have a Vigor or Mutagen running it can pop well outside your area. So a lot of situational issues for small scale and arena. Unless you’re just talking about brainless zergballing, which I suspect you are. In that instance it’s just a lemmings’ game where most proc sets wins and nothing will ever change with that.


Getting really tired of salty threads from people who don’t understand mechanics and counter play. You’re the reason this game is being nerfed into the dirt.

This topic is now just OP arguing.

Nvm, i'm not looking to get into another pointless argument.

Phage wrote: »

If a 35s proc is what's holding you back from kills, maybe it's not Earthgore that's the problem.

Don't be so quick to blame everything else for your PvP deaths. 9/10 times it's the players fault. A good player is humble enough to accept that and learn from it.

Have you ever tried PvP while fighting solo against a bigger number of enemy players? You can just focus on killing someone but have to dodge the negates they throw at you, timestops, destro ults, big damage abilities like shalks, soul assault, incaps, spectral bows and what not.

You do this by using the line of sight so you only have a limited time to 'burst' someone. Usually you do this with an ult so when you go for your big burst and try and kill someone the earthgore will save them just because someone near them is wearing (literally just near them not even focussing on healing) a 2 piece 20k healing monsterset.

When you go for the next burst (after getting ult) earthgore is back up or another earthgore procs again.

Earthgore is the ultimate PvP stay alive crutchset. It had a nerf but it is still everywhere because it helps the average bad zergling out so much.

It gives a 15-20k burst heal

... If you had this set and tried it personally, you wouldn't say it. 2.5k per second usually, and even less if affected by any Defile. Huge cooldown, and often I die while it heals me or even at the beginning of it's heal. I still wear it on my stamnb werewolf to bring at least some utility to myself and nearby allies, and I think it's weak - I would never allow to nerf it, and would return it to previous 5k per second (I think it was 5k, I wasn't using it back then).



If the group is decent, it's not too horrible. Actually, this makes me proud that I can help my group a bit to stay alive even as a stamblade, let alone werewolf:



I earned all my Earthgore heads in dungeon (so I didn't have to buy any at Golden), I proudly wear Forge Breaker title and I feel great standing in blood rain like this I also think that monster heads should never be sold in Golden vendor (only shoulders), so people would have to earn powerful sets - and of course the sets should never be nerfed Each time they nerf nice set, they show their disrespect to players who farmed it.

I'll go on my magplar and equip earthgore. In between rotating between potions, repentenace/bol and potions I guarantee that you won't kill me on any setup you play. Now amplify that problem when that one player is in a group - you literally have to focus him or the group is basically immortal. Now amplify that problem AGAIN when there's two people with earthgore in the group. You see the problem?

It's funny that there's so much hatred about damaging proc sets on the forums yet an unchecked free 20k heal is 'okay' apparently.

I met a group with exactly such healer yesterday. If my group was premade, we would not have problems. But we were fighting each our own battle Earthgore was the least of our problems - lack of coordination was. I used Fear as cc, but nobody had any defile and we didn't combine our damage to pressure their group.

How many of the players died in the video? Only one, and that was the solo player who was fighting an inevitable losing battle because of that set which procced 3 times in two minutes.

I do not have any compassion to tower 1 v X'ers The set did good job there, not allowing this "catch me if you can" to continue.

I also encountered few times when enemy player was using this set and it saved him cause I was already out of resources to keep damaging him and defend myself. But it's my problem cause I don't invest into recovery. Most of times enemy player is saved by his allies or by the fact that I have 0 resources left, not by this set proc.

The earthgore proc should be a synergy so it at least takes the brain power of an amoeba to use. It's completely brainless right now.

Nerf, nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf. Nerf nerf nerf nerf, nerf nerf nerf nerf. Nerf nerf! Nerf nerf nerf nerf, nerf nerf, nerf nerf nerf nerf. Nerf nerf nerf?

Exodium wrote: »

I can genuinely find no reason to defend this set. It is arguably right now the most overpowered defensive set (let alone monster set) in the game and it only requires 2 slots.

- It gives a 15-20k burst heal that requires nothing but going under 50% health. This is a PROC set that requires zero player input or ability to react as long as a heal over time (like ritual) is up

- The heal is an AOE so it is essentially a resto ult on demand that undoes your burst to other players if a player with earthgore happens to be near them

- Ok I get it there's a 30 second cooldown - but what about when a player rotates between repentenace/resto ult, tri pots, and other sources of healing. Just when you've finally generated your ultimate again to burst people down, the earthgore is ready to proc again. In fact, the earthgore timer is basically the same as the timer it takes to build an ultimate again.

There is no reason this set should be the way it is in its current state. Sets like this just disguise people's mistakes and what's the point in trying to exploit a players errors when a set like this spoon-feeds them back to full health.

I speak mostly from a small-scale/solo perspective, but honestly I've even seen coordinated groups of 15 vs other groups of 15 and have no one die because of the amount of earthgores proccing. The the direction of the game which is epitomised by sets like earthgore has caused so many good PvPers to leave ESO in droves because of how beginner-friendly this game is becoming with broken sets/abilities that have no counterplay or they offer too much protection to the user. This particularly hurts solo and small-group players the most.

So anyways, someone try to defend this set in its current form in PvP and justify its ability to heal the way it does. I would love to hear it.

You mean people are actually able to concentrate on healing abilities to stay alive through your burst damage?

NERF IT NOW!

Sarcasm aside, that is THE POINT of healing - which is to be able to counter damage and stay alive. If someone is able to skillfully rotate a monster set with their healing ultimate to actually keep your burst rotation from killing them then good, that means healing is actually working as intended and is of some actual use. Would you rather it just waste their resources while you kill them?

This is the only MMORPG I've ever played where people expect healing to be useless and unable to keep people alive through their burst rotations.

Maybe we should start calling for your damage to be nerfed every time it kills us - since it seems anything that supposedly keeps us alive should be nerfed. So let's have it both ways. And where does this strange logic that anything that prevents you from being able to kill someone is by definition OP and needs to be nerfed anyway? Why is it broken for a player to actually be able to develop an effective defense that keeps you from being able to kill them? Because that is kind of the whole point of defense/healing - to stay alive. If it can't even do that, then what is the damn point of even having it in your game? Everyone might as well just play offensive characters and have a race to see who can burst who down first.

Jeremy wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

I can genuinely find no reason to defend this set. It is arguably right now the most overpowered defensive set (let alone monster set) in the game and it only requires 2 slots.

- It gives a 15-20k burst heal that requires nothing but going under 50% health. This is a PROC set that requires zero player input or ability to react as long as a heal over time (like ritual) is up

- The heal is an AOE so it is essentially a resto ult on demand that undoes your burst to other players if a player with earthgore happens to be near them

- Ok I get it there's a 30 second cooldown - but what about when a player rotates between repentenace/resto ult, tri pots, and other sources of healing. Just when you've finally generated your ultimate again to burst people down, the earthgore is ready to proc again. In fact, the earthgore timer is basically the same as the timer it takes to build an ultimate again.

There is no reason this set should be the way it is in its current state. Sets like this just disguise people's mistakes and what's the point in trying to exploit a players errors when a set like this spoon-feeds them back to full health.

I speak mostly from a small-scale/solo perspective, but honestly I've even seen coordinated groups of 15 vs other groups of 15 and have no one die because of the amount of earthgores proccing. The the direction of the game which is epitomised by sets like earthgore has caused so many good PvPers to leave ESO in droves because of how beginner-friendly this game is becoming with broken sets/abilities that have no counterplay or they offer too much protection to the user. This particularly hurts solo and small-group players the most.

So anyways, someone try to defend this set in its current form in PvP and justify its ability to heal the way it does. I would love to hear it.

You mean people are actually able to concentrate on healing abilities to stay alive through your burst damage?

NERF IT NOW!

sarcasm aside, that is THE POINT of healing - which is to be able to counter damage and stay alive. If someone is able to skillfully rotate a monster set with their ultimate to avoid your burst rotation from killing them then good, that means healing is actually working as intended is of some use.

This is the only MMORPG I've ever played where people expect healing to be useless and not be able to keep people alive through their burst rotations.

I think its more that some people think that getting healing from a set is cheesy and so is getting damage from a set. PVP should 100% be about our skills as players (and our stats from gear/race, and our class, and our weapons).

Its the same complaint about Sloads. "Getting free damage from a set isnt skilled play!" Or for Earthgore "Getting free heals from a set lets bad players crutch on it!"

Its generally the players who already have the PVP experience to eschew things like proc sets who say this, often forgetting what it was like to be a new player and need to have loads of extra defense just to survive more than 2 seconds against another player.

Thats not true of all the people who don't like proc sets, sure. But that is a factor in why ZOS keeps making these sets. The PVP learning curve is pretty steep and new players definitely struggle with learning how to effectively do damage and stay alive.

So I figure its one thing to look at a set and say "ZOS, experienced players are using this set to its full potential and wrecking the competition." That's why Sloads and Earthgore got nerfed originally.

But its another thing to say "All proc sets are cheesy and carry bad players and thus shoukd be removed so that my skillz should reign supreme." Because that's just making it harder for new players to even get into PVP. The more experienced you are, the less you need proc sets...but you have to get that experience first and proc sets help lessen the steep learning curve.

Earthgore was already nerfed in a prior patch. Its fine as is. Players give up significant burst or sustain from other monster sets to run this.