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  • Turelus
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    So, we're confirming that just like Templars in Morrowind, no one will ever play a Sorcerer again after Murkmire? :trollface:
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  • aeowulf
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    ZonasArch wrote: »
    I wonder if anyone ever actually left the game because of these changes. All I see is a bunch of whining with very little arguments.

    Meta changes, builds changes, balance changes. Get. Over. It.

    Adapt and survive.

    A lot left with the Morrowind changes. I was the only survivor of my regular 4 man group from those. I also watched two guilds become unable to fill a trial team due to lost members.

    Will people leave the game because of these changes? Only those that log in and can't be bothered to rebuild. I'm looking at my NB from a tank perspective and he's just lost use of Tava's. There's also the 'straw that broke the camels back' thing. Whilst I understand ESO needs to adapt these changes will never attract new people to the game, but they may make people stop. It's a very fine line and ZoS are showing bravery.

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  • Bergzorn
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    Also Defensive Rune stuns after 1.2 seconds now. So when the gankee is likely dead already.
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  • Apache_Kid
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    Turelus wrote: »
    So, we're confirming that just like Templars in Morrowind, no one will ever play a Sorcerer again after Murkmire? :trollface:

    People will play mag sorcerer. They will just be at a giant disadvantage. That's what being a dead class means to me.
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  • Feanor
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    Turelus wrote: »
    So, we're confirming that just like Templars in Morrowind, no one will ever play a Sorcerer again after Murkmire? :trollface:

    Just like @SirAndy ... if I wanted to play with 7 impen and Fortified Brass to survive burst in noCP with no damage set because I need another sustain set, then I can play DK or Templar and not have the limitations. Sure, Sorc is still awesome for zergsurfing and killing in a Xv1. Whatever.
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  • max_only
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    This is terrible. Why did they add a cast time to shields? I don’t play Sorc anymore, but my Templar really needed that shield when doing pugs and soloing. Ugh, not what we asked for at all.
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  • Inklings
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    igneous is still instant cast.....
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  • Biro123
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    I wonder if the shield glyph just became bis for all heavy armour builds...

    Worth revisiting those armour sets that proc shields?

    All will be better than trying to cast hardened or harness, I guess.
    Edited by Biro123 on September 17, 2018 5:35PM
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  • WhipSmartMcoy
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    Please don't let the cast time for shields go live. Sorcs aren't the only ones who use shields and if crits will effect them now, light armor pvp builds are getting pooped on. All changes to shields are fine by me, but a cast time is too restricting

    Damage shields aren't what's OP, healing ward is the culprit.
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  • Dracane
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    Shields made unusable in pvp without compensation and now, duration helps nothing in pvp. They are melted instantly. Why can't you let the crit changes play out ? Why must you take the path of the extreme again.
    Overload's third bar removed without reducing the amount of toggles.

    I say this for the first time in 5 years, I am done with Sorcerer. Nothing is left, the class is now 100% dead for me. Absolutely nerfed to death with no compensation as always.
    Edited by Dracane on September 17, 2018 5:36PM
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  • Turelus
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    Inklings wrote: »
    igneous is still instant cast.....
    Not any more. You drew attention to it.
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    Kyne time with my new MNB 🤟🏼🤟🏼
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  • Vahrokh
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    Cast time on shields?

    How are we meant to fit it in our trials?

    Our DPS is inferior to others as is, now all we can do is to either be sitting ducks or be a group liability.


    Also, you say you wanted to put shields in line with the general game abilities mechanics?

    If it's true, why did you make shields able to be critted but NOT able to crit? The other abilities DO crit, why shields have to take the bad side but NOT the good side of critting?
    Edited by Vahrokh on September 17, 2018 5:39PM
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  • Feanor
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    Dracane wrote: »
    Shields made unusable in pvp without compensation and now, duration helps nothing in pvp. They are melted instantly. Why can't you let the crit changes play out ? Why must you take the path of the extreme again.
    Overload's third bar removed without reducing the amount of toggles.

    I say this for the first time in 5 years, I am done with Sorcerer. Nothing is left, the class is now 100% dead for me.

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    I mean, 15% cost reduction on pet casts. Like if that mattered. ZOS loves cast times apparently. But I can play Templar if I love cast times.
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  • themdogesbite
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    I feel so bad for the class reps.. It must really suck putting in lots of effort providing feedback from the community and get completely ignored. Nice.
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  • hollywood
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    Yeah , this is a bit too much. Keep the other changes , just remove the cast time and instead of increased duration reduce the severity of Battle Spirit in regards to shields. I think it's a fair compromise.
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  • Derra
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    @Joy_Division is it ok if we throw a hissy fit now yeah? That we waited for the changes and have them be actually worse than anyone imagined?

    I´m eagerly awaiting a reply.
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  • olsborg
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    Hm this nerf was a mountain, all we needed was a rock.

    How about only giving shields a cast time of 0.5 sec if you already have a shield active? That way you atleast had a "oh ***" button, wich is needed for magsorcs in light armor.

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  • Alpheu5
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    Question..

    I can't remember, but have a feeling that ele weapon doesn't work with overload... If so, wouldn't it make ele weapon completely useless with the new overload?

    Just tested it on the PTS and it seems to be affected by Elemental Weapons now.

    For those interested, you can also use Overload on your other bar and cast the ultimate on that bar without swapping back to deactivate Overload first. Found that bit very interesting.

    Also, 33% reduced cost to Clannfear heals puts me in an even better position than I was during Homestead, so I'm super pumped about that.

    The Dark Deal stam regen bypasses the blocking negation.

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    Edited by Alpheu5 on September 17, 2018 5:50PM
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  • Apache_Kid
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    Where those class reps at tho
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  • The_Lex
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    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Where those class reps at tho

    Ducking for cover, I'd guess.
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  • Inklings
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Inklings wrote: »
    igneous is still instant cast.....
    Not any more. You drew attention to it.

    well in that case neither does healing ward, and thats the real issue in pvp.
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  • Biro123
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »
    Biro123 wrote: »
    Question..

    I can't remember, but have a feeling that ele weapon doesn't work with overload... If so, wouldn't it make ele weapon completely useless with the new overload?

    Just tested it on the PTS and it seems to be affected by Elemental Weapons now.

    For those interested, you can also use Overload on your other bar and cast the ultimate on that bar without swapping back to deactivate Overload first. Found that bit very interesting.

    interesting.
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    luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »
    Terrible. I can live with everything but the cast time. What an awful "fix".

    I agree fully. Everything else was a fair trade off but that is a over the top cast time. Hope @ZOS_GinaBruno listens to the specs not the nb for sorc advice.
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  • Feanor
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    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Where those class reps at tho

    Well @Hexys isn’t around much it seems and @NightbladeMechanics is running the Discord. Go figure.
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    Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard Stamplar
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  • Zer0oo
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    Wow that is a full nuke on mag sorc in pvp and they still have the most *** sustain in pve.
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  • MehVahdJukaar
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    Is this another morrowind patch note? I really hope the population drops
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  • WhipSmartMcoy
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    Also adding a cast time to shields means you can interrupt it, right? Not good amigo
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  • Methariorn
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    Guess it's time to respec magicka sorc to stamina and join the spin2win bandwagon. ZOS *** what's the next class/build you are gonna destroy? Magicka Templar? Magicka or Stamina DK? The game got a tons of sets and five classes who should "technically" be able to play magicka or stamina with a decent degree of success. Sound like to me you are forcing pvp players to just roll some classes/build to be competitive sending belance to hell patch after patch. And btw don't even fix you crap netcode, improve that potato server, fix the tons of bugs that plague this game for years.
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  • KingExecration
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    I’m glad I didn’t waste the money race changing my mag sorc mule to stam. Gonna start upgrading his bag space instead of mount stamina lmao
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