what even is sorc....

Solohope · September 2018

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]
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Waffennacht · September 2018

Solohope wrote: »

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]

Your MMR is gonna be ballin with a crafter
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Valrien · September 2018

Your MMR is low, which means you're matched against noobs...and Sorc is a noob killer. Look to your own example. Look how much you were performing compared to the others. You're clearly much better than them to begin with

Also kills dont mean a lot on Sorc. Their execute means they steal a lot of them.

If you looked past the score page youd see Sorc isn't all too amazing

Taylor_MB · September 2018

MagSorc's have always been KB stealers, combined with the MMR of a toon new to BG's and your posted result are not in the slightest surprising.

Play in Cyrodiil, play in a pug against a pre-made, you'll soon find out MagSorc's have plenty of limitations.

Finviuswe · September 2018

Sorc shines against bad players, struggles more against good ones. Sorc is the noob killer.

Daedric_NB_187 · September 2018

Oh my. A nerf sorc thread. How original.

Lylith · September 2018

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

Oh my. A nerf sorc thread. How original.

obviously, they can never make enough of them.

LordGavus · September 2018

As mentioned above, sorc is a noob killer. Once you come up against experienced players it'll even out and you'll have to work for your kills.

I went through the same thing when I tried BG on my pve sorc. I had already learnt how to play BG on my stamblade, so when I jumped on my sorc with no pvp ranking I spent the first dozen games destroying noobs.

You will still steal kills with the execute, but you will rarely have scores like your screenshot.

Micah_Bayer · September 2018

Your team all together in assists got 23 kills. You stole all of your kills and without the enemy being low you would have had 0 kills.

ezio45 · September 2018

Ive been playing sorc the entire time ive played eso and as much as I hate to admit is, ppl are right. Sorc as been reduced to a noob/ nb executioner and is only good for skyreach runs in pve ( large amounts of low health trash)

lack the sustain and dmg in pve and pvp, burst cant kill tankier or well experienced players who can predict sorc easy to see / block combo

DuskMarine · September 2018

ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing sorc the entire time ive played eso and as much as I hate to admit is, ppl are right. Sorc as been reduced to a noob/ nb executioner and is only good for skyreach runs in pve ( large amounts of low health trash)

lack the sustain and dmg in pve and pvp, burst cant kill tankier or well experienced players who can predict sorc easy to see / block combo

in pve their practically the number one go to class for everything nowadays cause wards are broken and forever stay that way. in pvp yea i really wish people who use the class would fall off cliffs irl

technohic · September 2018

I played my sorc some tonight in Cyro with a large group. OK; a zerg. Got a lot of killing blows but its so empty. I had a lot more fun on my new stamplar build that I just tested, but I always have liked playing a bit faster and minimizing buffs/shields.

Thing is, beyond that; we are in a defile, bleed, mobility/swift meta which includes root and snare immunity and thats something sorcs dont have. They have an auto execute and thats where the kills come from. It ha become a matter of having sorce either too much instagib, or just really kind of boring. No middle ground any more.

ku5h · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing sorc the entire time ive played eso and as much as I hate to admit is, ppl are right. Sorc as been reduced to a noob/ nb executioner and is only good for skyreach runs in pve ( large amounts of low health trash)

lack the sustain and dmg in pve and pvp, burst cant kill tankier or well experienced players who can predict sorc easy to see / block combo

in pve their practically the number one go to class for everything nowadays cause wards are broken and forever stay that way. in pvp yea i really wish people who use the class would fall off cliffs irl

Wrong, wrong and wrong! In PvE they are ***, since magNB pulls 10k+ more dps easy. In PvP they are terrible except kill stealing.
Bottom line is, ppl who struggle against magSorc now a days should really look at them selves and re-evaluate how good they really are.

nuttytom · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

in pve their practically the number one go to class for everything nowadays cause wards are broken and forever stay that way. in pvp yea i really wish people who use the class would fall off cliffs irl

No they aren't lol. The number one go to currently in PvE is nightblade (mag or stam). Mag sorc sustain is terrible in PvE

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing sorc the entire time ive played eso and as much as I hate to admit is, ppl are right. Sorc as been reduced to a noob/ nb executioner and is only good for skyreach runs in pve ( large amounts of low health trash)

lack the sustain and dmg in pve and pvp, burst cant kill tankier or well experienced players who can predict sorc easy to see / block combo

in pve their practically the number one go to class for everything nowadays cause wards are broken and forever stay that way. in pvp yea i really wish people who use the class would fall off cliffs irl

Go to class maybe for people who are new to this game due to comparably easy rotation and nice survivability in solo play, but for everything worth to play they are far behind NBs.

Also, you should bite back on your remarks about people in real life. Not that I would mind your forum account being banned since usually nothing worthile comes from your posts but anyway.

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

Solohope wrote: »

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]

Yes. Sorc is underpowered. Win a dueling tournament against good NBs & DKS. You barely move an inch. Not by pondering noobs and low bies. Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.
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Sylosi · September 2018

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.

There is no genuinely competitive player playing ESO, as a competitive game it is a joke.

bloodthirstyvampire · September 2018

Props for the hunter x hunter fan @Soloeus

GrigorijMalahevich · September 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Solohope wrote: »

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]

Yes. Sorc is underpowered. Win a dueling tournament against good NBs & DKS. You barely move an inch. Not by pondering noobs and low bies. Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.

I showed you a clip of a sorc winning a duel tournament and you calmed it was all against noobs. You keep saying sorc is trash and you play nightblade/warden, but later you say you main sorc. Frankly, you are all over the map with your opinion, and have some sort of agenda every time you post. Yes, we understand...everyone is a noob but you. Got it... What happened to you quiting the game and giving up on the forum?

Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Nice “high mmr BG match” with most players not having more than 600cp

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Dymence · September 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Solohope wrote: »

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]

Yes. Sorc is underpowered. Win a dueling tournament against good NBs & DKS. You barely move an inch. Not by pondering noobs and low bies. Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.

I showed you a clip of a sorc winning a duel tournament and you calmed it was all against noobs. You keep saying sorc is trash and you play nightblade/warden, but later you say you main sorc. Frankly, you are all over the map with your opinion, and have some sort of agenda every time you post. Yes, we understand...everyone is a noob but you. Got it... What happened to you quiting the game and giving up on the forum?

Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

He is.... literally spamming mages wrath on everything that moves for the first 30 seconds. And those... "people" spamming templar execute at 100% hp.

Yeah, high MMR.
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Vaelen · September 2018

Sylosi wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.

There is no genuinely competitive player playing ESO, as a competitive game it is a joke.

Well comparatively when you look at games such as GW2 with 9 classes and 21 subclasses and each build can use up to 11 skills (5 on each bar between weapons and 6-8 others on the bar at all times) at once compared to only 6 skills on each bar for ESO, while ESO still only has 5 classes and 10 subclasses based on either magicka or stamina. It all makes it a no brainer that ESO lacks sophistication while emphasizes simplicity in the builds and competitiveness between classes. But simplicity of builds actually makes for a less competitive and less diverse game feel. Previously I thought that it could be more diverse with more armor sets combinations than in GW2, but they have become too cookie cutter with sets such as Sloads, Mothers Sorrow, etc and everyone basicly using more or less the same OP FOTM sets. Also it makes me wonder how GW2's PvP system is way more balanced currently than ESO's is... but then again The Elder Scrolls franchise has never been designed around PvP to begin with.

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

Vaelen wrote: »

Sylosi wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.

There is no genuinely competitive player playing ESO, as a competitive game it is a joke.

Well comparatively when you look at games such as GW2 with 9 classes and 21 subclasses and each build can use up to 11 skills (5 on each bar between weapons and 6-8 others on the bar at all times) at once compared to only 6 skills on each bar for ESO, while ESO still only has 5 classes and 10 subclasses based on either magicka or stamina. It all makes it a no brainer that ESO lacks sophistication while emphasizes simplicity in the builds and competitiveness between classes. But simplicity of builds actually makes for a less competitive and less diverse game feel. Previously I thought that it could be more diverse with more armor sets combinations than in GW2, but they have become too cookie cutter with sets such as Sloads, Mothers Sorrow, etc and everyone basicly using more or less the same OP FOTM sets. Also it makes me wonder how GW2's PvP system is way more balanced currently than ESO's is... but then again The Elder Scrolls franchise has never been designed around PvP to begin with.

Biased is the answer. Community is full of selfish noobs and always require cheese class and cheese builds to play with.

Even people with half baked intelligence , can able to balance at decent level.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2018

Solohope wrote: »

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]

The very reason I don't play BGs any more...

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Valrien · September 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Ive been playing sorc the entire time ive played eso and as much as I hate to admit is, ppl are right. Sorc as been reduced to a noob/ nb executioner and is only good for skyreach runs in pve ( large amounts of low health trash)

lack the sustain and dmg in pve and pvp, burst cant kill tankier or well experienced players who can predict sorc easy to see / block combo

in pve their practically the number one go to class for everything nowadays cause wards are broken and forever stay that way. in pvp yea i really wish people who use the class would fall off cliffs irl

PvE is a nightblade's world. Sorcs are decent mostly for Skyreach carries and other bits of solo content.

Honestly I can't think of a single thing that Sorcs are "the best at"...which is really bad because every class should be the best at something.

max_only · September 2018

Sorcerers were on top of the world for a year and no one would bring a Nightblade to a party even if we begged. It’s rotational. It used to be nothing but Sorcs being propped up by their pet DK and their pet Templar Healer. That’s it. No one else allowed. You wanted to do the arena? Sorc. You wanted to get in a trial? Sorc. You wanted to pvp? Sorc.

The class isn’t broken, the sky isn’t falling, Sorcs are fine.

Valrien · September 2018

max_only wrote: »

Sorcerers were on top of the world for a year and no one would bring a Nightblade to a party even if we begged. It’s rotational. It used to be nothing but Sorcs being propped up by their pet DK and their pet Templar Healer. That’s it. No one else allowed. You wanted to do the arena? Sorc. You wanted to get in a trial? Sorc. You wanted to pvp? Sorc.

The class isn’t broken, the sky isn’t falling, Sorcs are fine.

Past injustices do not justify current injustices

arreatsguard · September 2018

Valrien wrote: »

PvE is a nightblade's world. Sorcs are decent mostly for Skyreach carries and other bits of solo content.

Honestly I can't think of a single thing that Sorcs are "the best at"...which is really bad because every class should be the best at something.

that last line... "which is really bad because every class should be the best at something"

you clearly have no clue what balance means so let me educate you. balance is basically when you don't have everyone playing one thing, like dk tanks in pve, templar healers in pve/pvp, magblades in pve/pvp. if this game was balanced, you would see templars and dk's bombing people in pvp and competing in dps in pve, you would see nb's and sorc healers in pvp and pve. stop pretending you know what you're talking about, because reading your nonsense is just a waste of time and just lowers the intelligence of anyone who thinks it's a fact.

D0PAMINE · September 2018

I see good and trash players on all classes all the time.

Chilly-McFreeze · September 2018

arreatsguard wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

PvE is a nightblade's world. Sorcs are decent mostly for Skyreach carries and other bits of solo content.

Honestly I can't think of a single thing that Sorcs are "the best at"...which is really bad because every class should be the best at something.

that last line... "which is really bad because every class should be the best at something"

you clearly have no clue what balance means so let me educate you. balance is basically when you don't have everyone playing one thing, like dk tanks in pve, templar healers in pve/pvp, magblades in pve/pvp. if this game was balanced, you would see templars and dk's bombing people in pvp and competing in dps in pve, you would see nb's and sorc healers in pvp and pve. stop pretending you know what you're talking about, because reading your nonsense is just a waste of time and just lowers the intelligence of anyone who thinks it's a fact.

Is there a reason you put words in his/her mouth? He didn't talked about what you called balance. He simply said that he wants class diversity/identity. While your definition of balance isn't wrong, it's not the topic of his comment. Complete and total utter balance would also bring up the question why we still have classes anyway. The gist of his comments is that NB outperform sorcs in every aspect, which also isn't balanced.

However, there is no need to allege people of things they never said. Especially if it's in such a rude way. Good first forum post, looking forward to see more of you...

Priyasekarssk · September 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Solohope wrote: »

So I recently posted a small clip of me getting my first quadra on my melee magblade and someone reponded with something along the lines of "You would get that on your first game on sorc. " kind of as a joke. However, I took his advice and this was the result...

(I'm Zolodyk BTW )

This was my 5th game on my crafter sorc. Literally every single BG deathmatch I played I did not get less than 15 kills and got 3 quadras in 6 games. Are people seriously complaining about this class being underpowered. [snip]

Yes. Sorc is underpowered. Win a dueling tournament against good NBs & DKS. You barely move an inch. Not by pondering noobs and low bies. Thats why no competitive player is playing sorc now.

I showed you a clip of a sorc winning a duel tournament and you calmed it was all against noobs. You keep saying sorc is trash and you play nightblade/warden, but later you say you main sorc. Frankly, you are all over the map with your opinion, and have some sort of agenda every time you post. Yes, we understand...everyone is a noob but you. Got it... What happened to you quiting the game and giving up on the forum?

Here's a guildmate of mine, Despotic. You may have seen his channel. He plays battlegrounds frequently and has a very high MMR. Before everyone screams his score is from stealing kills, no one in this match (except for him, meaning kills were stolen from him) has double digits in assists, meaning he stole very few kills.
The results speak for themselves.

https://youtu.be/tRn_Ki7uy8M

31/0/11....in a high MMR match with little if any kill steals.
As a sorc myself, all the whining over the class is getting embarrassing. It's like a little kid with a shiny new toy(sorc), but crying because the kid across the street (nightblade) is just a tad more shiny.

Here's my PvE geared sorc (all divines, no impen, one shield, no rune cage) in a battleground last night.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Sorcs are in a good place. Stop whining because you're not number one. It's damn embarrassing for the rest of us who still can play sorc.
Or keep stompin your feet like silly spoiled kids...whatever...

Lol. Its some random battle ground video. Where is website link for dual tournament ? Still waiting for dual tournament website and video . Do you even know what is dueling tournament is ?
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starkerealm · September 2018

LordGavus wrote: »

As mentioned above, sorc is a noob killer. Once you come up against experienced players it'll even out and you'll have to work for your kills.

I went through the same thing when I tried BG on my pve sorc. I had already learnt how to play BG on my stamblade, so when I jumped on my sorc with no pvp ranking I spent the first dozen games destroying noobs.

You will still steal kills with the execute, but you will rarely have scores like your screenshot.

I'd agree, except I still see stuff like this after more than a few games. Still, while Sorcs are extremely destructive, I wouldn't call them overpowered because, like you said, you do have to work for your kills.