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Near immortal tanks - introduced update 19
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Universe✭✭✭✭✭
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This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.
I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.
Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.
This short video(2 minutes
) doesn't show much of the issue.
As for the question if the the player shown in the video is exploiting I will leave that with "no comment" due to ZOS forum naming and shaming policy.
As said in my OP post, this discussion is about more than one player, there were several players exploiting this issue and thus achieved near immortal status.
I rarely complain about tanks, in fact one of my alts is a tank in both PVP and PVE.It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince1 -
Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »Tanks are OP in pvp.
My stam nb with spriggans and bone pirate has been unable to kill tanks for months. Last night i fought a tank for almost 10 minutes, throwing everything I could. The most I could do was take him to 10%, at which time he pops a heal and the cycle repeats itself. I walked away bored.
You do realise you survived for 10 mins also, so he couldn’t kill you either. If you gear for max survival, you kill nothing. The enemy are thick if they beat on you.
Exactly, the tank did exactly what he/she set out to do. Become a distraction for 10 minutes while their teammates was taking the keep, resource, etc. Heck, I can figure that out and I don’t even PVP
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HankTwo✭✭✭✭✭It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe
Don't twist my words and learn to read. I clearly stated 2 posts earlier (#59) that there is not a single build out there that can survive 20 good people who know what to do (and that is a good thing). Your That group on the other hand was apparently uncoordinated and didn't know the counters.Edited by HankTwo on August 19, 2018 4:36PMPC EU
Stam DK, Magden, Magplar, Stamcro, Hybrid Sorc, Magblade & Mag DK5 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe
Don't twist my words and learn to read. I clearly stated 2 posts earlier (#59) that there is not a single build out there that can survive 20 good people who know what to do (and that is a good thing). Your group on the other hand clearly was uncoordinated and didn't know the counters.
I was soloing.
The group/s that tried to kill the tank/s, one at a time were good.
As I stated many times, since update 19 there is a build or even more than one build that allow the tank to survive 20+ good players.
Some forum members even gave clues to some certain builds that allow this with the new changes of update 19, though I can't confirm if those builds are legit.
Some players from the group/s even used siege.
Is that sound balanced dps to survive ?
No.
Something is clearly OP in their tanking.Edited by Universe on August 19, 2018 4:32PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't really see the problem. One guy standing around absorbing damage isn't going to be taking resources or keeps, or killing enemy players. There's no "advantage" here, and the only exploit is exploiting the stubbornness of a bunch of players who would be better serving their alliance by moving on to something that earns AP.5 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't really see the problem. One guy standing around absorbing damage isn't going to be taking resources or keeps, or killing enemy players. There's no "advantage" here, and the only exploit is exploiting the stubbornness of a bunch of players who would be better serving their alliance by moving on to something that earns AP.
Please read this good post, it explains why this is a problem:
You are not getting the point.
Enter Cyrodiil 1 single time and watch your allied forces movements. They will ALWAYS focus on what they see. if there is an enemy, they will chase them and try to kill them forever. This way, those tanks can be the greatest weapon on the battlefield, as they can deny all reinforcements to a keep and even win every siege fight to their alliance.
Tanks are, the strongest role in ESO and this is not only proven by this scenario, but also in any battleground objective. The art is, that in order to win, you must not even kill your enemies yourself.
The amount of tankiness that can be achieve in this game has been completely over the top since its release and it's getting worse and worse every patch. And these are just the full turtle tanks.
Any Stamina build can be almost immortal, while still one shotting you.
I would add to the above, that game combat balance shouldn't allow a tank to survive for so long when faced by so many enemies.
This is not godlike game, there are limits to what a player should and could do.
Not even good emperors can achieve the attention and time those tanks are receiving.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince1 -
HankTwo✭✭✭✭✭It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe
Don't twist my words and learn to read. I clearly stated 2 posts earlier (#59) that there is not a single build out there that can survive 20 good people who know what to do (and that is a good thing). Your group on the other hand clearly was uncoordinated and didn't know the counters.
I was soloing.
The group/s that tried to kill the tank/s, one at a time were good.
As I stated many times, since update 19 there is a build or even more than one build that allow the tank to survive 20+ good players.
Some forum members even gave clues to some certain builds that allow this with the new changes of update 19, though I can't confirm if those builds are legit.
Some players from the group/s even used siege.
Is that sound balanced dps to survive ?
No.
Something is clearly OP in their tanking.
A group of 20 can have nearly 100% uptime for most debuffs in the game (defile, mag + stam + ult cost poisons, vulnerability, fraction, breach, there is even stuff that usually nobody uses like minor mangle from pulsar). If there is an 'immortal' tank just ignore him for a moment and slot some skills specifically to counter him. If the tank uses absorb magic then players should stop attacking him with light attacks from staves, since that would do more harm than good.
On top of that: wait for the tank to use his potion (--> beware immovability) or ult (often spell wall). After it expired, use negate + fossilize (or another unblockable cc) + ult dump and you have a dead tank. Now if you can show me a video where a group of players does that (plus the additional sieges!) and the tank still survives, then you could make an actual argument that something is broken.PC EU
Stam DK, Magden, Magplar, Stamcro, Hybrid Sorc, Magblade & Mag DK4 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe
Don't twist my words and learn to read. I clearly stated 2 posts earlier (#59) that there is not a single build out there that can survive 20 good people who know what to do (and that is a good thing). Your group on the other hand clearly was uncoordinated and didn't know the counters.
I was soloing.
The group/s that tried to kill the tank/s, one at a time were good.
As I stated many times, since update 19 there is a build or even more than one build that allow the tank to survive 20+ good players.
Some forum members even gave clues to some certain builds that allow this with the new changes of update 19, though I can't confirm if those builds are legit.
Some players from the group/s even used siege.
Is that sound balanced dps to survive ?
No.
Something is clearly OP in their tanking.
A group of 20 can have nearly 100% uptime for most debuffs in the game (defile, mag + stam + ult cost poisons, vulnerability, fraction, breach, there is even stuff that usually nobody uses like minor mangle from pulsar). If there is an 'immortal' tank just ignore him for a moment and slot some skills specifically to counter him. If the tank uses absorb magic then players should stop attacking him with light attacks from staves, since that would do more harm than good.
On top of that: wait for the tank to use his potion (--> beware immovability) or ult (often spell wall). After it expired, use negate + fossilize (or another unblockable cc) + ult dump and you have a dead tank. Now if you can show me a video where a group of players does that (plus the additional sieges!) and the tank still survives, then you could make an actual argument that something is broken.
As I mentioned earlier:
The developers have game combat logs and may discover what's wrong soon.
I hope the fix for this issue will be in tomorrow's incremental patch and if not tomorrow, next week.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sorry op, but you are clearly missing the point. Numbers or cp level should never dictate the outcome of a fight especially against a good tank. If the 20 people are not using the proper counters and are just spamming abilities then no they should never be able to kill the tank. Learn the counters and you will find they go down pretty easy.
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Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello,
Since update 19 I have noticed many occasions in which player tanks in PVP got to near immortal state(PC EU Vivec).
20+ players were not able to kill a tank, several times even when using siege against him.
The tank just blocked all damage and used the psijic skill line ability meditate while taking damage.
The players did interrupt the meditate.
While meditate is powerful this is not the main issue and something(set/passive ability/other) is bugged/broken.
It wasn't just one occasion/one player, there were several players exploiting it.
I believe there is a broken set and/or abilities that should be fixed.
Hist bark used to give 100% dodge chance until ZOS fixed it, maybe now there is other set which provide great boost to tanks.
If you noticed it too, please report the exploiters to ZOS and if you know what sets and/or broken abilities they were using, report it too.
No player should be able to hold off 20+ players forever, something is clearly broken.
I can confirm such tanks exist. Encountered one DK tank the other day.
His goal was to capture a resource and farm enemies there.
My goal was to brake his plans.
Well...i fell miserably, my glass canon mag-sorc could not put a dent in his armor, he burned me down multiple times...and this is not the sad part, the sad part is that later on few other players from my alliance joined the fight, and still unsuccessful. Now when there were lots of us "The Tank" poped a speed pot and he-s gone kiting.
And 5 minuses later he-s back at the resource.
Please note that when there were other players form my alliance I could rotate my full dps rotation: curse + runecage+ frags + soul attack.
There are definitely some broken sets in the game that gives this unfair mitigation, physical power and sustain...or broken CP tree
Edited by Didgerion on August 19, 2018 5:30PM3 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sorry op, but you are clearly missing the point. Numbers or cp level should never dictate the outcome of a fight especially against a good tank. If the 20 people are not using the proper counters and are just spamming abilities then no they should never be able to kill the tank. Learn the counters and you will find they go down pretty easy.
Sadly the 20+ players used all the right counters but mostly nothing happened which indicates the tanks were exploiting a bug/OP set/passive ability/ability.
This is not new, there were OP tank sets in the past which got fixed(like hist bark 100% dodge chance exploit which was fixed.).Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince2 -
RaddlemanNumber7✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »Tanks are OP in pvp.
My stam nb with spriggans and bone pirate has been unable to kill tanks for months. Last night i fought a tank for almost 10 minutes, throwing everything I could. The most I could do was take him to 10%, at which time he pops a heal and the cycle repeats itself. I walked away bored.
You do realise you survived for 10 mins also, so he couldn’t kill you either. If you gear for max survival, you kill nothing. The enemy are thick if they beat on you.
Exactly, the tank did exactly what he/she set out to do. Become a distraction for 10 minutes while their teammates was taking the keep, resource, etc. Heck, I can figure that out and I don’t even PVP
The unkillable tank I joined in attacking wasn't a sufficient distraction. We had already killed all his many companions and secured the fort we were fighting over. It was just this one guy who was left wandering around outside the inner keep. He got attacked by everyone because we wanted to finish tidying up and not leave him there before we all left.PC EU0 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
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This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.
I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.
Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.
This short video(2 minutes ) doesn't show much of the issue.
As for the question if the the player shown in the video is exploiting I will leave that with "no comment" due to ZOS forum naming and shaming policy.
As said in my OP post, this discussion is about more than one player, there were several players exploiting this issue and thus achieved near immortal status.
I rarely complain about tanks, in fact one of my alts is a tank in both PVP and PVE.It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe they cant become a infinite target dummy due to stamina saying they can do that is a overexaggeration followed by lack of understanding on how to kill them. hit them with cost increase poisons and aoes their stamina or magicka is gone then their a sitting duck to be run over. people come on here and complain yet never take the time to think of how to kill them.4 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭If you were solo-ing then how would you know that all 20 players were using all counters possible vs the tank? I think you are just lying and just want nerfs for the sake of it.8 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.
I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.
Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.
This short video(2 minutes ) doesn't show much of the issue.
As for the question if the the player shown in the video is exploiting I will leave that with "no comment" due to ZOS forum naming and shaming policy.
As said in my OP post, this discussion is about more than one player, there were several players exploiting this issue and thus achieved near immortal status.
I rarely complain about tanks, in fact one of my alts is a tank in both PVP and PVE.It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe they cant become a infinite target dummy due to stamina saying they can do that is a overexaggeration followed by lack of understanding on how to kill them. hit them with cost increase poisons and aoes their stamina or magicka is gone then their a sitting duck to be run over. people come on here and complain yet never take the time to think of how to kill them.
I did used poison and others too(I asked).
Aoes were applied too, even siege.
As for not thinking of how to kill them, that's a bit of a exaggeration
I and many others did think quite a bit of how to kill them
I sometimes find all the posts of the L2P really funny & and not constructive, instead of trying to find the cause for the issue, the forum members tend to accuse the OP of L2P issue LOL Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince1 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭These types of tanks are not the problem. They can't fight back. The cancer lies with the players that are both a tank and a dps. They soak up rediculous amounts of damage or avoid damage through block casting, shield stacking, smart heals, or dodge rolling and then turn around and one shot you with a burst combo. I.e., Sorcs, dragon Knights, stam wardens, stam blades, stam Sorcs, and magplars. That's why pvp is broke in this game. There's no such thing as traditional class roles. When a traditional glass cannon can build for both tankiess and dps its whacked. And people complain about proc sets. However, it's the proc sets that enable you to actually kill these cancer builds.Legacy of Kain
Vicious Carnage
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »
This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.
I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.
Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.
This short video(2 minutes ) doesn't show much of the issue.
As for the question if the the player shown in the video is exploiting I will leave that with "no comment" due to ZOS forum naming and shaming policy.
As said in my OP post, this discussion is about more than one player, there were several players exploiting this issue and thus achieved near immortal status.
I rarely complain about tanks, in fact one of my alts is a tank in both PVP and PVE.It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe they cant become a infinite target dummy due to stamina saying they can do that is a overexaggeration followed by lack of understanding on how to kill them. hit them with cost increase poisons and aoes their stamina or magicka is gone then their a sitting duck to be run over. people come on here and complain yet never take the time to think of how to kill them.
I did used poison and others too(I asked).
Aoes were applied too, even siege.
As for not thinking of how to kill them, that's a bit of a exaggeration
I and many others did think quite a bit of how to kill them
I sometimes find all the posts of the L2P really funny & and not constructive, instead of trying to find the cause for the issue, the forum members tend to accuse the OP of L2P issue LOL
well it is a learn to play issue go into pvp with one of these builds and watch your stamina it melts against 20+ ppl hitting you with poisons and aoe. once your out your dead. either your teammates didnt have the slightest clue what they were doing and trying to hit him with single target knowing that with shuffle on top of histbark it wasnt gonna work or something. so yea it is a learn to play issue right there. and that arguement is constructive cause your trying to get something nerfed that doesnt need it when you can get better and overcome it.4 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »If you were solo-ing then how would you know that all 20 players were using all counters possible vs the tank? I think you are just lying and just want nerfs for the sake of it.
Being solo doesn't mean you're blind.
You can see and direct groups to do what is right.
Also, I'm not always soloing.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.
I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.
Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.
This short video(2 minutes ) doesn't show much of the issue.
As for the question if the the player shown in the video is exploiting I will leave that with "no comment" due to ZOS forum naming and shaming policy.
As said in my OP post, this discussion is about more than one player, there were several players exploiting this issue and thus achieved near immortal status.
I rarely complain about tanks, in fact one of my alts is a tank in both PVP and PVE.It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe they cant become a infinite target dummy due to stamina saying they can do that is a overexaggeration followed by lack of understanding on how to kill them. hit them with cost increase poisons and aoes their stamina or magicka is gone then their a sitting duck to be run over. people come on here and complain yet never take the time to think of how to kill them.
I did used poison and others too(I asked).
Aoes were applied too, even siege.
As for not thinking of how to kill them, that's a bit of a exaggeration
I and many others did think quite a bit of how to kill them
I sometimes find all the posts of the L2P really funny & and not constructive, instead of trying to find the cause for the issue, the forum members tend to accuse the OP of L2P issue LOL
well it is a learn to play issue go into pvp with one of these builds and watch your stamina it melts against 20+ ppl hitting you with poisons and aoe. once your out your dead. either your teammates didnt have the slightest clue what they were doing and trying to hit him with single target knowing that with shuffle on top of histbark it wasnt gonna work or something. so yea it is a learn to play issue right there. and that arguement is constructive cause your trying to get something nerfed that doesnt need it when you can get better and overcome it.
I'm getting suspicious that you're trying to protect a build that needs fixing.
Nerfs are not always bad if they are done right.
Balance can be achieved by nerfing too Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
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✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »If you were solo-ing then how would you know that all 20 players were using all counters possible vs the tank? I think you are just lying and just want nerfs for the sake of it.
Being solo doesn't mean you're blind.
You can see and direct groups to do what is right.
Also, I'm not always soloing.
in order to not stomp a tank with that setup you have to be single targetting otherwise hed go down in an instant. the second that stamina is gone your dead as a tank. people focus so much on single target attacks instead of hitting them with tons of aoes force roll dodges out of them get rid of that stamina the tank dies. that is a serious learn to play issue to the extreme.0 -
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✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.
I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.
Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.
This short video(2 minutes ) doesn't show much of the issue.
As for the question if the the player shown in the video is exploiting I will leave that with "no comment" due to ZOS forum naming and shaming policy.
As said in my OP post, this discussion is about more than one player, there were several players exploiting this issue and thus achieved near immortal status.
I rarely complain about tanks, in fact one of my alts is a tank in both PVP and PVE.It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc
The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.
I disagree, 20 people should be able to kill anyone who is alone as long as they know how to play their classes well.
Exactly.
dozens of players engaging 1 enemy who is alone should be able to kill their target.
A player shouldn't be able to achieve the status of near infinite target dummy, we already have this in our homes, Target Centurion, Robust Refabricated
@Universe they cant become a infinite target dummy due to stamina saying they can do that is a overexaggeration followed by lack of understanding on how to kill them. hit them with cost increase poisons and aoes their stamina or magicka is gone then their a sitting duck to be run over. people come on here and complain yet never take the time to think of how to kill them.
I did used poison and others too(I asked).
Aoes were applied too, even siege.
As for not thinking of how to kill them, that's a bit of a exaggeration
I and many others did think quite a bit of how to kill them
I sometimes find all the posts of the L2P really funny & and not constructive, instead of trying to find the cause for the issue, the forum members tend to accuse the OP of L2P issue LOL
well it is a learn to play issue go into pvp with one of these builds and watch your stamina it melts against 20+ ppl hitting you with poisons and aoe. once your out your dead. either your teammates didnt have the slightest clue what they were doing and trying to hit him with single target knowing that with shuffle on top of histbark it wasnt gonna work or something. so yea it is a learn to play issue right there. and that arguement is constructive cause your trying to get something nerfed that doesnt need it when you can get better and overcome it.
I'm getting suspicious that you're trying to protect a build that needs fixing.
Nerfs are not always bad if they are done right.
Balance can be achieved by nerfing too
i quite litterally murder them every day on my stamblade..........seriously......tanks are not unkillable anymore this isnt premorrowind anymore their killable now.0 -
nickl413✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
Who said its false? If i can't kill them, they are clearly exploiting.4 -
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✭DuskMarine wrote: »
Who said its false? If i can't kill them, they are clearly exploiting.
if you cant kill them that means adapt and get better0 -
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✭✭forward momentum + speed potion and easy kite around a tower
I have seen quite a few use those.
Not really regarding this issue, but yes they are tanky Edited by Universe on August 19, 2018 6:27PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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tanks easy counter- cost increase poison stack aoes forces roll dodge once stamina depletes tank dies. no stamina=no life. to easy to kill tanks anymore.1
https://youtu.be/bx8eTzTG9Bw