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Are Undaunted Chests Too Diluted?
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Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesMaybe place chests in the various dungeons. So if you open the chest in coa II you get a guaranteed skoria shoulder drop.
Kind of like the vault rooms in ICP and WGT. Here it's opened with undaunted keys instead of key fragments though.1 -
CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesI would like a reason to do undaunted dailies. Many players who already have the gear they need dont have much of a incentive to do dailies. Maybe adding different motifs or a decent amount of gold would be nice to see. I would happily run a vet dungeon for 5k. Something like that would increase the amount of players doing dailies and help newer players form groups and getting completions. Plus, a extra 5-10k a day would help players get some stuff they need even if they are not the best at selling and trading. Just my opinion..0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesMy buddy also put forth the idea, that the current daily pledge grants you a higher chance of receiving the corresponding shoulder piece from the chest. This is something I could see ZOS getting behind, as they d love their RNG and seem to be against tokens.0 -
Lord_Ninka✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesEven if you don't care about traits it's ridiculous the amount of keys you need for a reasonable chance to get the shoulder piece you want from Glirion's and Maj's chests especially. With 50 keys there's still a more than 24% chance you WON'T get the shoulder piece you wanted in the weight you wanted - and even when you do get it you will still have to transmute in far most cases.Edited by Lord_Ninka on July 14, 2018 12:49PM0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Leave As Is, Continue Adding More SetsBefore One tamriel, all 10 shoulders available then would drop from the same chest.
After one Tamriel we have 12 from Maj, 12 from Girion and 8 from the DLC guy's chest.
So we are within averages for another 2 dungeon DLCs.
Plus, we can change traits AND we have the Golden vendor, which will go through all the sets every 34 weeks.
You can get up to 6 keys per character per day. So it's not that hard to get the item you want if you spend some time on it.The Moot Councillor0 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesBefore One tamriel, all 10 shoulders available then would drop from the same chest.
After one Tamriel we have 12 from Maj, 12 from Girion and 8 from the DLC guy's chest.
So we are within averages for another 2 dungeon DLCs.
Plus, we can change traits AND we have the Golden vendor, which will go through all the sets every 34 weeks.
You can get up to 6 keys per character per day. So it's not that hard to get the item you want if you spend some time on it.
Honestly they could incentivise Undaunted in better ways for players who enjoy the repition of playing dungeons without forcing others to do it just for a shot at some RNG. Sure it's way better now, but does that mean it's optimal?0 -
Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherTime for tokens, like any reasonable game. Even TERA and other garbo-FTP games have bankable and tradeable gear currency.0 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭I keep monster stuff spread over 3 chars with 200 bp space each. I keep impen and divines in each weight of each set.
After spending thousands of keys on ~3 years playing, there is still 2 shoulders weights i have never dropped
For new players, looking at this grind, is very off putting. For older players like me who actually run 15 playable characters, it is no hassle to mind numb some undaunted keys up. But again in ESO, your grind is rewarded with random stuff you might not ever need or already have.1 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Leave As Is, Continue Adding More SetsOnce upon a time, when you did pledges, you could get a bronze key (for a normal dungeon pledge where you missed the bonus objective), a silver key (normal pledge with all bonus objectives or a vet pledge without bonus objectives), or a gold key (vet pledge with bonus objectives).
You had a 50% chance at one of 10 shoulders with a gold key, a 10% chance at a shoulder with a silver key, and you get nothing but trash with bronze keys. No such thing as guaranteed shoulders. A maximum of 1 gold, 1 silver key per day. So, effectively, you can get 0.6 shoulders per day. Out of a pool of 10.
Now? You can get a maximum of 6 keys per day per character. Each key is guaranteed to get you a shoulder. So you can get 6 shoulders per day. Out of a pool of 12 (from Maj or Giliron) or 8 (from Urgarlag). After next patch, Urgarlag's pool will be 10 shoulders. 6/day now vs. 0.6/day before.
Oh, and if you don't get the trait you want, you can just transmute.
At the risk of sounding all "uphill both ways through the snow in my day", the current system is so laughably easy. Particularly with transmutation. I once dropped 250 keys to get a shoulder in the weight and trait that I needed. Now when I look for a new shoulder, I get it within a couple dozen keys--literally just half a week of pledges--and just transmute. I'm at the point where I get keys and have nothing to spend them on and am sitting on a stockpile of a few thousand, and most people I know are in that boat.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherTransmutation stations removed a lot of the BS RNG on these chests. It’s a lot more sensible now0 -
Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesA token system all the way. Sufficient effort should come with a reward...not some randomized exchange that can leave you with junk. What's so damn bad about creating a more direct route to getting the gear you want?
RNG is annoying. Not clear why saturating content with random factors is supposed to be entertaining. When you're improving gear do you choose less than the max tempers to guarantee the upgrade because it's fun to gamble?1 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesDrakkdjinn wrote: »Transmutation stations removed a lot of the BS RNG on these chests. It’s a lot more sensible now
Well it went from isnanity to highly improbable, so idk if we’re quite there yet.1 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherDrakkdjinn wrote: »Transmutation stations removed a lot of the BS RNG on these chests. It’s a lot more sensible now
Well it went from isnanity to highly improbable, so idk if we’re quite there yet.
I suppose, tbh I really have had zero headaches from monster set farming since this went live; no more months on months of key farming - I just lock the drops of the armortypes I need and transmute to taste later: supplemented with helmets from the golden & joining the dungeons I need when they're undaunted quests makes this a pretty simple grind if u got the transmute stones.0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesDrakkdjinn wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Transmutation stations removed a lot of the BS RNG on these chests. It’s a lot more sensible now
Well it went from isnanity to highly improbable, so idk if we’re quite there yet.
I suppose, tbh I really have had zero headaches from monster set farming since this went live; no more months on months of key farming - I just lock the drops of the armortypes I need and transmute to taste later: supplemented with helmets from the golden & joining the dungeons I need when they're undaunted quests makes this a pretty simple grind if u got the transmute stones.
That’s the pain of RNG it’s great for some and others can still go months and months looking for one piece.0 -
Drakkdjinn✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherDrakkdjinn wrote: »Drakkdjinn wrote: »Transmutation stations removed a lot of the BS RNG on these chests. It’s a lot more sensible now
Well it went from isnanity to highly improbable, so idk if we’re quite there yet.
I suppose, tbh I really have had zero headaches from monster set farming since this went live; no more months on months of key farming - I just lock the drops of the armortypes I need and transmute to taste later: supplemented with helmets from the golden & joining the dungeons I need when they're undaunted quests makes this a pretty simple grind if u got the transmute stones.
That’s the pain of RNG it’s great for some and others can still go months and months looking for one piece.
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bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesI agree. Should be a token-purchase system.
BUT! You just gotta believe! Watch... I need Blood Spawn shoulder. Tonight I’ll get it.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It seems as though the DLC undaunted chest still has the smallest poll of shoulders it can be so much less of an issue as the rest of the chests that have remained with the same odds since the dungeons were rebalanced.
Edit: so for now it is not that big of a deal. Maybe after a couple more dungeons it can be revisited. Though the argument is we "pay" for the DLCs so we should get a better chance to get the gear from it. In other words, those that buy the DLCs or subscribe should have better odds at gear though that comes with another caveat.Edited by idk on July 14, 2018 10:17PM0 -
25 keys should let you pick the item/weight of choice, with a random trait.
Thats my suggestion.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Leave As Is, Continue Adding More Setspaallterrain148 wrote: »25 keys should let you pick the item/weight of choice, with a random trait.
Thats my suggestion.
That's 3 days of HM pledges on 1 character. Plus one key.The Moot Councillor0 -
ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesA token system would solve one other problem - that of storage. I would no longer have to keep all sturdy, divines and impenetrable pieces just because I might try to make a tank/dps/pvp setup with some set some day in the distant future. I could just deconstruct everything I don't need right now and keep piling up tokens for when I actually need something.0 -
LadyLethalla✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesI spent 50+ keys a while back trying to get Grothdarr in either heavy or medium, and ended up with something like 12 Troll King, 4 ilambris, 5 Tremorscale, 3 Skoria. Got only one Grothdarr, in a trait like Training, just to add insult.
Same goes for the researchable jewellery that's available only in the Undaunted chests. After 50 something keys I gave up and bought both.
Sure I get it's all RNG, but why do the results always seem.skewed towards the crap monster sets and not the other way around?
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chaz✭✭✭✭Yes, The Undaunted Chests Need ChangesThose Undaunted reward chests are seriously over-rigged. I remember spending 100 keys if not more trying to get Valkyn Skoria's Shoulders, then another 50 to get another one because the first was a medium and I wanted heavy. And try to find a group of people to do Vet Undaunted to get double keys per drop after hitting the scroll is next to impossible. Or even vet, I find more groups on normal for quick run throughs'.FOR LORD DAGON !!!!!!!!!!
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Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherMake the chests set so that each one contains their own type of set piece so one chest for light, one for medium, and one for heavy.
That way i will be less annoyed if i get a training medium set other than being really annoyed when i get a light or heavy training piece.Edited by Chrysa1is on July 15, 2018 11:17AM0
