jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »Well, I am sure ZOS taken into account the fact that there are many bored kids with daddy's credit card, as well as 40yo men with little time to play. Both are happy to spend real money but have no time/will to farm in-game gold.
So essentially ZOS is legitimizing the purchase of in-game gold, hiding it as gifts. Just like those girls who offer to spend some time together but do expect some kind of help in exchange.
I am sure they think this will increase the pruchase of crowns.
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »I actually like this...I wish they would let us buy ESO+ packs with crowns so we can trade and use those packs or sell em via guild store...much like Aion has/had...
S1ipperyJim wrote: »Selling Crowns for Gold makes the game P2W.
It's tragic that people like the OP want to come on the official forums and whine about not receiving enough in game gold for your crowns.
S1ipperyJim wrote: »Not a survey but read any thread on the topic in these forums and it is really one sided towards this definition being correct and yours being wrong.
Not 'my definition'. Once again: The Urban Dictionary. I didn't write it. Don't have shares in them or anything. It's just the actual objective, general usage, accepted definition of P2W.
And once again, where are your statistics and figures on the 'one sided' opinions from all threads on the subject? You don't have any - you haven't actually tallied any up, have you? I know it sounds convincing and everything to just write a vague guess as a solid statement of fact but you should at least make some small effort to be factual.
BlazingDynamo wrote: »lol bunch of losers
Crown gifts are straight P2W mechanic. I can easy use my cash to buy gold, services of players or whatever I want. With such approach in few year you will have crafting universal mats in crown store, 100% guaranteed drop vouchers, additional skill points, attributes etc. Mark my words.
But the question is...is a Crown Store item considered an in-game item (since it is found in-game) or a out-of-game since it's purchased with crowns ie real money? That seems to be where all the confusion is.
Trading A for A is allowed.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed.
Trading A for B, or B for A is prohibited.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.
C = AZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item.
Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Uh.... if anything, being able to buy Crown items for gold makes the game LESS "pay 2 win". Because someone who didn't pay $, can get the things in the cash shop.
P2W is when the game has stuff that 1) you can ONLY get by dropping cash, which 2) gives you an otherwise-unobtainable advantage over non-$ players.
Open-world/Free-for-all/take your victim's gear PvP MMOs where you can get "insurance" against getting your stuff stolen, but only with $. Games where to be competitive you need your gear upgraded to "+15", but the only way to do that is with piles of $upgrade $consumables. Games where they just straight out sell stronger gear in the cash shop.
ESO is none of these things. And again, opening up crown items to be obtained by anyone for gold takes it further away from that.
BlazingDynamo wrote: »lol bunch of losers
Maybe you are the loser for trying to charge more then they are worth.
I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.
S1ipperyJim wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »You have no idea what P2W is. There is no competitive advantage attatched to anything in the the Crown Store. Just saying that something is P2W doesn't make it so.
Friend, 'you don't know what P2W means' is the standard response from people like you whenever the term P2W is mentioned. Let me assure you, I have been playing games for over 30 years and I know EXACTLY what P2W means, both from first hand experience, observation, and familiarity with the actual origins and definitions of P2W. So don't come on her and patronise me that I don't know what P2W means, OK?
One definition will suffice:
"Pay To Win. When you are paying for advantage which normal players don't have access to unless they either pay too or will have to grind very long (weeks and months)."
- Urban Dictionary
The crown store was supposedly only for items that were for 'cosmetic and convenience' purposes. Now that you can pay real cash for crowns to launder for gold you can now buy any item in the game available for trade, including items 99.9 percent of persons playing the game would never see, such as aetheric ciphers, as well as other valuable items like legendary upgrade items, rare BoE weapons, all of which have a real in game advantage over other players, whether through performance r XP gain, versus other players who have to grind months or years to get small quantities of these (also known as 'playing the game as intended') or may never get access to them at all. Never mind the flow on effect this has on other factors such as the regular market eg guild trading in game.
It is assuredly P2W.
Ask yourself this - would you be OK with ZOS putting everything in the game into a cash shop for sale for real money, such as specific BoE weapons sets, upgrade items, achievement skins, etc? I mean, they have already drifted a fair way down that path already. Because it happens over a long time and small increments people gradually get comfortable with it.
There is literally no material difference between buying gold for cash from gold traders and trading crowns for gold except ZOS makes all the profit.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
- C: Special in-game items that can be purchased with real money (Crowns) Meaning you take B (real money) and convert launder it into C (crown items)
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
- Real $$$ -> in game gold = prohibited
- Real $$$ -> crowns -> in game gold = fine.
Its the same thing. Gold selling. But its suddenly ok because crowns.
I think a lot of it is, in game gold is not worth real life dollars based on how the market is. Going with an 80:1 ratio makes the seller feel cheated because there are people offering better ratios. But once people see that they can buy crowns for an 80:1 ratio they are going to which is why the market will go down because people will want to save as much gold as they can. Soon the ratio will go down to 30:1 then lower and lower because that is how the ESO market works. When an item is sold for a certain price people list it for less, people buy the one that's cheaper, then everyone starts listing it for that price, then a few people list it for cheaper to sell it quicker again and the price drops again. Tempers used to cost 10k a piece, then people decided to sell for cheaper which influenced the market, people bought it for 9k rather than 10k because they can save 1k per Temper, now Tempers sell for 6k. Clearly a lot of people didn't read my post, just responded with anger and the typical "If you don't like it don't do it" response without any real knowledge of the ESO market, welcome to online gaming/forums.
I think a lot of it is, in game gold is not worth real life dollars based on how the market is. Going with an 80:1 ratio makes the seller feel cheated because there are people offering better ratios. But once people see that they can buy crowns for an 80:1 ratio they are going to which is why the market will go down because people will want to save as much gold as they can. Soon the ratio will go down to 30:1 then lower and lower because that is how the ESO market works. When an item is sold for a certain price people list it for less, people buy the one that's cheaper, then everyone starts listing it for that price, then a few people list it for cheaper to sell it quicker again and the price drops again. Tempers used to cost 10k a piece, then people decided to sell for cheaper which influenced the market, people bought it for 9k rather than 10k because they can save 1k per Temper, now Tempers sell for 6k. Clearly a lot of people didn't read my post, just responded with anger and the typical "If you don't like it don't do it" response without any real knowledge of the ESO market, welcome to online gaming/forums.
I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.
Guess I'm not getting that house then.
I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.
@ZarkingFrued , ironically, he's saying that the one selling the Crowns is Paying2Win...ZarkingFrued wrote: »S1ipperyJim wrote: »Selling Crowns for Gold makes the game P2W.
It's tragic that people like the OP want to come on the official forums and whine about not receiving enough in game gold for your crowns.
Can you elaborate on how cosmetics are P2W?