JiDul wrote: »

I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.

As others have said, if you don't like the exchange rate then look for another person to sell too.
But that's not the full story. Many people have stocked up on crowns during 40-50% sales which tends to overall reduce the value of crowns, a long with the fact that people stack them from their eso+ subs. On the "black market" gold prices are much higher especially on console (probably because it's harder for bots I'd imagine). From what I'm seeing the market is anywhere between 40-70$ worth of crowns (not on sale) per million gold, which, if you think about it makes sense. For most sellers it would take, on average 10-20 hrs of pure farming to grind out a million gold, for those savvy traders it might be a little less. minimum wage is somewhere hovering around 8-10$ in the U.S . Because the person is actually working for there money they are getting the "better" deal as far as work per hour.

Likewise the way your talking about gold in this game doesn't really make sense... of coarse there is always going to be something else to spend gold on! it's the nature of the game! Someone on the other end of the transaction could feel the same way.

For instance--- "I think a lot of what this has to do with is that people don't understand the value of my time versus their own. The crown store is very expensive, small things cost upwards of 50$ and houses cost an arm and a leg! It's unfair that I'm supposed to give you millions of gold that took hours and hours of my time to get something out of the crown store, just so I'm broke again and need to spend hours and hours more just to get things that have no real use outside of the game."

Sounds the exact same and holds the same merits. That's buying and selling anything in this world, just gotta take a walk in someone elses shoes and see the other possible perspectives.

imrilaoi wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

You have no idea what P2W is. There is no competitive advantage attatched to anything in the the Crown Store. Just saying that something is P2W doesn't make it so.

What he's saying is that being able to obtain in-game gold with RL cash to buy - for example - Tempering Alloy is what makes its P2W. Not that the items within the cash shop are P2W.

He is still wrong, though. All it is is a "Pay to Shortcut", as you could get those same Tempering Alloys on your own, this just saves people with more cash than play time some of that play time.

They also still won't "win" at anything. An unskilled player in all gold gear is still an unskilled player, who is still going to eat dirt in PvE or PvP. Gold gear is such a small increase in terms of DPS and survivability that it isn't going to help someone who doesn't know how to play.

Having maxed out horses can definitely contribute to faster vHRC scores

ResTandRespeC wrote: »

JiDul wrote: »

I think a lot of what this has to do with is people don't understand the value of real life money. People wanting to buy 6k crowns for 80:1 ratio? That's 480k for $47 of money I worked hard for. I can go out and farm 480k worth of materials in a few hours of sitting at my desk mindless drone farming. Where as me and a lot of other people had to work 4-5 real hard real life working hours of real labor just to earn that money to sell you crowns. Some people are total rip offs in these games and the fact that this is becoming the market for selling crowns makes me kind of sick. The ESO market is very expensive, things are sold in the thousands, meaning I could go and buy a Motif for 20k or a Ring of something for 40k some stuff goes for the hundred-thousands.. Its unfair that i'm supposed to give you 47 real dollars for an amount of gold that will get me 3 things before i'm broke in game again and have to go and spend 47 more dollars.. on 3 things that are in game and have no use to me outside of this game. Also the amount of people who have 100k in their bank vastly outnumbers the amount of people who own millions of gold. So the market for this is going to continue to drop because people are going to be unwilling to pay so much for crowns and the people who do have the gold to afford it will stop paying so much because the price dropped. Soon you will be seeing a ratio of 1:1 because of how this market works.

As others have said, if you don't like the exchange rate then look for another person to sell too.
But that's not the full story. Many people have stocked up on crowns during 40-50% sales which tends to overall reduce the value of crowns, a long with the fact that people stack them from their eso+ subs. On the "black market" gold prices are much higher especially on console (probably because it's harder for bots I'd imagine). From what I'm seeing the market is anywhere between 40-70$ worth of crowns (not on sale) per million gold, which, if you think about it makes sense. For most sellers it would take, on average 10-20 hrs of pure farming to grind out a million gold, for those savvy traders it might be a little less. minimum wage is somewhere hovering around 8-10$ in the U.S . Because the person is actually working for there money they are getting the "better" deal as far as work per hour.

That being said, I don't like the system and think it's absolutely pushing the game further down the Free to Play road we've been on for awhile now.

I would never even dream of buying crowns at any price, I don't know why people do. I've never even looked into this and didn't know about selling crowns for gold. The only crowns I do get is the ones free with ESO+, I'd never dream of buying them, waste of money.

Just for research i checked a shady sites a little and i can say this:
For your 47 dolars you get 50% less that that person offered you.
According to a dirty goldsellers.

45 dolars is 1 milion gold. (lol thats nothing)

Personaly i am agaisnt crown store gifting. People who buy crowns to get gold are a scum in video games.
If you dont have time to play this game, just play something else and stop wasting your money on it.

Rather use this money on other games. Do not be a fan of microtrash.

S1ipperyJim wrote: »

Selling Crowns for Gold makes the game P2W.

It's tragic that people like the OP want to come on the official forums and whine about not receiving enough in game gold for your crowns.

Can you elaborate on how cosmetics are P2W?

Syncronaut wrote: »

Just for research i checked a shady sites a little and i can say this:
For your 47 dolars you get 50% less that that person offered you.
According to a dirty goldsellers.

45 dolars is 1 milion gold. (lol thats nothing)

Personaly i am agaisnt crown store gifting. People who buy crowns to get gold are a scum in video games.
If you dont have time to play this game, just play something else and stop wasting your money on it.

Rather use this money on other games. Do not be a fan of microtrash.

That's a pretty unfair statement.

If you don't have free time to grind hours a day, don't play games you enjoy.

Someone might have the time for a few hours of trials a week, but not to grind the gold for housing, tempers, materials, potions.
However they have a lot of excess money in real life. So there is a system which let's them convert that money into in game currency (which is worthless at this point) without harming the game and supporting fraud and crime.

Basically, means....Bags of Gold coming to a Crown Store near youuuuuu!!!!!!

I wouldn't worry too much about the crown / gold trade. Just don't do it. The more you become detached from this game the better you will feel.

Maybe you don't understand how trading works. Let me explain:

You value your assets. You also value other assets owned by another person. Like you, that person also values both assets. However, there is a difference in how much you each value those assets. If you value their assets more than your own, and they value yours more than their own, then the conditions are suitable for a voluntary trade to take place. If such conditions do not exist, then the solution is simple: don't trade.

Your complaint is misplaced. If you choose to engage in trades that conflict with your valuation of the assets being traded, then your valuations conflict with your impulses and you lack the self-discipline to control them. This is a problem within yourself, not with the other party. You would benefit more from spending your time researching and practicing impulse control techniques rather than blaming others.

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Basically, means....Bags of Gold coming to a Crown Store near youuuuuu!!!!!!

Maybe, but I hope not. That would be a huge change and a sad one.

This system doesn't add gold to the economy from nowhere. It's the item that comes from nowhere. ZoS is only selling gold that players earned through playing. It's an important distinction.

Uh.... if anything, being able to buy Crown items for gold makes the game LESS "pay 2 win". Because someone who didn't pay $, can get the things in the cash shop.

P2W is when the game has stuff that 1) you can ONLY get by dropping cash, which 2) gives you an otherwise-unobtainable advantage over non-$ players.


Open-world/Free-for-all/take your victim's gear PvP MMOs where you can get "insurance" against getting your stuff stolen, but only with $. Games where to be competitive you need your gear upgraded to "+15", but the only way to do that is with piles of $upgrade $consumables. Games where they just straight out sell stronger gear in the cash shop.

ESO is none of these things. And again, opening up crown items to be obtained by anyone for gold takes it further away from that.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

There are so many kids in-game (yea, that's a violation of the ToS)

That's not really correct:

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