@What_In_Tarnation, I totally agree with your assessment. My statement was simply in reference to your meme alone.What_In_Tarnation wrote: »@Merlin13KAGL Not meant to being rude to you. But you can read this thread again and back to see meme again. Some of players call OP being elitist/elitism and I find it iroinc. Some of players tell people should carry low dps in veteran dungeons, otherwise you're elitist. It's ironic again. And some of players in this thread tell OP stop using group finder and stop being a-holes. It's indeed iroinc as heck.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@What_In_Tarnation, I totally agree with your assessment. My statement was simply in reference to your meme alone.What_In_Tarnation wrote: »@Merlin13KAGL Not meant to being rude to you. But you can read this thread again and back to see meme again. Some of players call OP being elitist/elitism and I find it iroinc. Some of players tell people should carry low dps in veteran dungeons, otherwise you're elitist. It's ironic again. And some of players in this thread tell OP stop using group finder and stop being a-holes. It's indeed iroinc as heck.
(I would find it more ironic if expecting a picture of an iron, and seeing a picture of anything else.)

Sophocles1 wrote: »I was very good in football but not so much in this game. It’s not as intuitive as some of you think. We are really trying even if we’re not as good as you. In football, I still would’ve let you play.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »@Merlin13KAGL Not meant to being rude to you. But you can read this thread again and back to see meme again. Some of players call OP being elitist/elitism and I find it iroinc cause of OP did want to help these players at first and now he got fed up cause of some low dps player don't wanna learn/communicated and make group work together. Some of players tell people should carry low dps in veteran dungeons, otherwise you're elitist. It's ironic again. And some of players in this thread tell OP stop using group finder and stop being a-holes. It's indeed iroinc as heck.
Smasherx74 wrote: »The past three days I've been put into a group with a bad DPS on my healer. And I'm not having it anymore, I understand 100% why people vote low levels and low DPS bad roles. It's because of the people I've been having to deal with these past few days. I'm aware there are low CP DPS that are actually competent and can pull out as much DPS as their gear will allow them to. But guess what? I'm not risking ti anymore, I'm not going to waste 30mins to an hour on a group that struggled to cut down trash mobs or follow basic mechanics.
So now, if you're a low CP, or just bad at the game in general and we're que'd together, I'm kicking you. If the group doesn't want to kick you then I'm finding a new one. If the entire group is bad/low CP, then I'm finding a new one. I'll wait my 15 minutes for a reque because YOU'LL still be on the first trash mob within that time frame. If people want to come onto the forums and *** and complain about being kicked from a group because they're a khajiit mage, low CP. or bad at the game then how about getting good, leveling up, and not using a *** build? It's really not hard, you can pull a bare minimum of 20k DPS with any class at any level.
Smasherx74 wrote: »Update: People who are missing the point here, this is a justification for why so called "elitists" do things such as kicking low CP players. The vast majority cause scenarios as stated above, after getting tired of this constantly happening I've decided that I too will do what many would consider "elitist" action. I'm not saying everyone should have the same build, im not saying you need to be max CP. I'm simply making the point due to the abundance of low CP and even medium CP players performing so poorly some vet dungeons are quite literally impossible, I'm personally going to kick/leave groups with bad and or low CP players. I'm expressing the fact I understand the perspective of your so called elitists, I used to be totally against it. However as I said, due to the abundance of people who just perform adequately enough, you will be kicked.

What_In_Tarnation wrote: »@Merlin13KAGL Not meant to being rude to you. But you can read this thread again and back to see meme again. Some of players call OP being elitist/elitism and I find it iroinc cause of OP did want to help these players at first and now he got fed up cause of some low dps player don't wanna learn/communicated and make group work together. Some of players tell people should carry low dps in veteran dungeons, otherwise you're elitist. It's ironic again. And some of players in this thread tell OP stop using group finder and stop being a-holes. It's indeed iroinc as heck.
OP's not an elitist for calling out legitimately bad players - OP is an elitist because they're pre-judging and wanting to kick people before they've even done first trash pull based solely on CP or frickin' character race.Smasherx74 wrote: »The past three days I've been put into a group with a bad DPS on my healer. And I'm not having it anymore, I understand 100% why people vote low levels and low DPS bad roles. It's because of the people I've been having to deal with these past few days. I'm aware there are low CP DPS that are actually competent and can pull out as much DPS as their gear will allow them to. But guess what? I'm not risking ti anymore, I'm not going to waste 30mins to an hour on a group that struggled to cut down trash mobs or follow basic mechanics.
So now, if you're a low CP, or just bad at the game in general and we're que'd together, I'm kicking you. If the group doesn't want to kick you then I'm finding a new one. If the entire group is bad/low CP, then I'm finding a new one. I'll wait my 15 minutes for a reque because YOU'LL still be on the first trash mob within that time frame. If people want to come onto the forums and *** and complain about being kicked from a group because they're a khajiit mage, low CP. or bad at the game then how about getting good, leveling up, and not using a *** build? It's really not hard, you can pull a bare minimum of 20k DPS with any class at any level.
Funny how they can fling crap at people for being low CP and being a Khajiit Mage in one breath, then say that such characters can be viable in the next.Smasherx74 wrote: »Update: People who are missing the point here, this is a justification for why so called "elitists" do things such as kicking low CP players. The vast majority cause scenarios as stated above, after getting tired of this constantly happening I've decided that I too will do what many would consider "elitist" action. I'm not saying everyone should have the same build, im not saying you need to be max CP. I'm simply making the point due to the abundance of low CP and even medium CP players performing so poorly some vet dungeons are quite literally impossible, I'm personally going to kick/leave groups with bad and or low CP players. I'm expressing the fact I understand the perspective of your so called elitists, I used to be totally against it. However as I said, due to the abundance of people who just perform adequately enough, you will be kicked.
Now, if they said that low CP or being a Khajiit Mage would just raise a red flag but that they'd still see how it goes for the first couple of trash pulls at least - or maybe even the first boss - it'd be different. I wouldn't put an 'elitist' tag on someone that wasn't just immediately discriminatory based on such factors. But there's every indication that OP is going to be kicking or leaving the moment they step into the dungeon and look at the characters' race, class, and CP level. That is elitism, the very definition of it.
aetherial_heavenn wrote: »Cannot believe how many replies didn't read the OP.
1 After months of ./played helping pugs to complete vet dungeons a player finally decided 'enough is enough' and vents their frustration. They are venting because they are now playing a vet healer and cannot carry an inept group through vet... They then decide their time and experience is worth more than the 'fun' they get carrying others and the insults they receive from random group members for even trying to do so. So they say 'no more'.
2 The usual forum stalwarts then copy paste their premade 'elitist' name calling posts saying OP is obliged to not kick people who cannot complete the content, or follow the mechanics in vet and that the OP has an obligation to carry every random stranger even on their healer.
3 Another group of forum regulars chorus 'don't use the dungeon finder. If you do,then don't whine when it goes horribly wrong.'
The conclusion: if you queue thru dungeon finder for vet, your job is to carry anyone who queues for vet no matter what their gear, level, or competence, even if you are a healer! Even if you take an hour to do last boss. Even if you have to solo the whole catastrophe in spc and worm. Because if you don't YOU are the jerk. It's only your time, elitist, and YOUR time doesn't matter.
People happily say in public forums (and in group chat) that those who know what to do in harder content have an attitude problem when we suggest gear and supply food and explain the mechanics. We get called narcissists and sociopaths.
So we leave the DF queues or just quietly leave the group at the first failed dps check...
Soon you will get what you want, anti elitist forum warriors:
No more 'attitude' problems
No more content experts (aka 'elitists' in the forums)
No one to show new people how hard dlc is done relatively painlessly and quickly.
No excess motiffs etc.on the market.
No integration between new players who want to do end game and experienced players.
No recruitment of new players into progression guilds.
No carries thru gear farms.
And hours and hours wasted never finishing vet 2 and vet dlc content because 'it's only a game and i should be able to do what I want.'
Hope this makes you all happy, forum warriors. After all it's only your time being wasted. Not mine. Not any more.
I still have a guild of competent players to enjoy the game with. I just don't bother DF queuing anymore
Edited typos spelling phrasing and last para. Hate typing on my phone.
@What_In_Tarnation , I do like your meme! (And your English is fine.)What_In_Tarnation wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »@What_In_Tarnation, I totally agree with your assessment. My statement was simply in reference to your meme alone.What_In_Tarnation wrote: »@Merlin13KAGL Not meant to being rude to you. But you can read this thread again and back to see meme again. Some of players call OP being elitist/elitism and I find it iroinc. Some of players tell people should carry low dps in veteran dungeons, otherwise you're elitist. It's ironic again. And some of players in this thread tell OP stop using group finder and stop being a-holes. It's indeed iroinc as heck.
(I would find it more ironic if expecting a picture of an iron, and seeing a picture of anything else.)
Ahh, ok, my apologies. Sorry, English isn't my primary language, so I think I was misunderstood what you meant there. Cheers.
Edit: Just realized you still don't like my meme.

webrgesner wrote: »Reason why i stopped tanking and healing. Literally it was only me and a tank on vet Mazzatun and my healer killed chudan.
I had 1700 spell recov and about 2000 spell damage. all i do is wall of elements purifying light and another dot and jesus beam. and for heals all i used was spam healing springs, bof (if anyone is very low) and resto ult. And we had to kick 2 dps before because they did no dmg. Can you believe a healer killed chudan in vet.
Ghanima_Atreides wrote: »
You have the wrong mundus, you use heavy attacks, potentially no monster set, maybe not setting elemental drain yourself, your stats indicate you are not using the proper sets at all, you make way to many force pulses and your uptime on your dots is bad.
Wall should never be so low. You might want to grind psijic line for the elemental weapon. This should help your sustain. Also, you are missing a few cp. those should not result in that much of a loss. I imagine you seldomly run in good groups, so the lover or even antronarch should be better mundus Stones for you. If you don't have access to trial gear and don't want to farm normal cloudrest for Siroria, just wear 5 julianos + mothers sorrow with 2x ilambris. 1 vma Inferno on backbar, if you have it.
You can do it.
I don't group at all, because I know it's not going to go well for me. So no, I don't have any monster sets. Needless to say vMA is out of the question.
The only group dungeons I've done are the basegame ones on Normal, with my boyfriend. I even soloed a few ()
I didn't use elemental drain either, because I was trying to show people who claim 30K DPS is attainable with just spammable and DOTs that it isn't for everyone.
I also admitted one of my biggest issue was tempo. This is simply the best I can do, at the moment. I can't fire skills off any faster.
I chose the Mage because I was trying to stack magicka, although Atronach is of course a possibility. Heavy attacks were used because I was out of magicka; it was either that or fail to complete the parse.
What_In_Tarnation wrote: »@Merlin13KAGL Not meant to being rude to you. But you can read this thread again and back to see meme again. Some of players call OP being elitist/elitism and I find it iroinc cause of OP did want to help these players at first and now he got fed up cause of some low dps player don't wanna learn/communicated and make group work together. Some of players tell people should carry low dps in veteran dungeons, otherwise you're elitist. It's ironic again. And some of players in this thread tell OP stop using group finder and stop being a-holes. It's indeed iroinc as heck.
OP's not an elitist for calling out legitimately bad players - OP is an elitist because they're pre-judging and wanting to kick people before they've even done first trash pull based solely on CP or frickin' character race.Smasherx74 wrote: »The past three days I've been put into a group with a bad DPS on my healer. And I'm not having it anymore, I understand 100% why people vote low levels and low DPS bad roles. It's because of the people I've been having to deal with these past few days. I'm aware there are low CP DPS that are actually competent and can pull out as much DPS as their gear will allow them to. But guess what? I'm not risking ti anymore, I'm not going to waste 30mins to an hour on a group that struggled to cut down trash mobs or follow basic mechanics.
So now, if you're a low CP, or just bad at the game in general and we're que'd together, I'm kicking you. If the group doesn't want to kick you then I'm finding a new one. If the entire group is bad/low CP, then I'm finding a new one. I'll wait my 15 minutes for a reque because YOU'LL still be on the first trash mob within that time frame. If people want to come onto the forums and *** and complain about being kicked from a group because they're a khajiit mage, low CP. or bad at the game then how about getting good, leveling up, and not using a *** build? It's really not hard, you can pull a bare minimum of 20k DPS with any class at any level.
Funny how they can fling crap at people for being low CP and being a Khajiit Mage in one breath, then say that such characters can be viable in the next.Smasherx74 wrote: »Update: People who are missing the point here, this is a justification for why so called "elitists" do things such as kicking low CP players. The vast majority cause scenarios as stated above, after getting tired of this constantly happening I've decided that I too will do what many would consider "elitist" action. I'm not saying everyone should have the same build, im not saying you need to be max CP. I'm simply making the point due to the abundance of low CP and even medium CP players performing so poorly some vet dungeons are quite literally impossible, I'm personally going to kick/leave groups with bad and or low CP players. I'm expressing the fact I understand the perspective of your so called elitists, I used to be totally against it. However as I said, due to the abundance of people who just perform adequately enough, you will be kicked.
Now, if they said that low CP or being a Khajiit Mage would just raise a red flag but that they'd still see how it goes for the first couple of trash pulls at least - or maybe even the first boss - it'd be different. I wouldn't put an 'elitist' tag on someone that wasn't just immediately discriminatory based on such factors. But there's every indication that OP is going to be kicking or leaving the moment they step into the dungeon and look at the characters' race, class, and CP level. That is elitism, the very definition of it.
The trick is determining if your group is legitimately making progression.To be fair, they never strictly said they'd kick immediately either. It's open to interpretation but they may be explicitly making the distinction where the OP used to try and take the group with them, used to try and teach, now they'll simply boot if things don't work out after the first or second trash pull.
I'll always resist kicking players (low or high CP) if they're willing to listen and learn mechanics (and I'll carry base-zone dungeons if DPS is good enough). On the other hand I've had mid-CP players continuing dying 10 seconds in to every Kena fight after explaining multiple times what they should do in WGT, and after asking multiple times not to, they keep reading the book for HM, my patience may run out...
should never get this far (no matter how good the intentions.)Smasherx74 wrote: »The DPS is so minuscule I as a WARDEN HEALER am the one having to destroy the orbs because their DPS is so *** low they couldn't even prevent the boss from healing.
I agree - after we carried through planar, we were expecting to at least clear (although maybe not HM), except every time we rezzed the first thing this other DPS would do is read the book, while we're trying to talk about what to do.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »The trick is determining if your group is legitimately making progression.To be fair, they never strictly said they'd kick immediately either. It's open to interpretation but they may be explicitly making the distinction where the OP used to try and take the group with them, used to try and teach, now they'll simply boot if things don't work out after the first or second trash pull.
I'll always resist kicking players (low or high CP) if they're willing to listen and learn mechanics (and I'll carry base-zone dungeons if DPS is good enough). On the other hand I've had mid-CP players continuing dying 10 seconds in to every Kena fight after explaining multiple times what they should do in WGT, and after asking multiple times not to, they keep reading the book for HM, my patience may run out...
In most cases, if you can get to the end boss, you can clear the end boss. (Maybe not HM, but clear.)
Olen_Mikko wrote: »Not everyone wants to be the ultimate champion of dps. They want to find builds themselves. They want builds to fit their playstyle. They want builds to fit their own lore.
Olen_Mikko wrote: »Besides, is it that hard to be friendly and try to explain nicely, why 10k dps is not suitable for veteran stuff and how to improve it?
Been playing for a couple years now. Good to know that I must be absolute trash as I can't pull more than 15k single target, and apparently have no business going into dungeons or doing content to get better gear than my crafted purples.
Maybe I should just quit since I am so useless, and not even good enough to pug. Everything I have tried and every build I have used has not improved my output.
@Zhaedri , tell us a little more about your class, race, gear (including traits and enchantments), skill bars, CP allocation, mundus stone, food/drink, and rotation. There’s absolutely no reason (short of serious physical disability) why any damage dealer who is committed to improving their DPS should find themselves stuck at 15k. Your damage output is great for normal dungeons, where you can acquire better gear than your crafted gear, but it’s going to drag your group down if you’re completing veteran dungeons (especially vet DLC and story mode 2 dungeons).
Please don’t view this response as an insult, because it’s not. The so-called “elitists” more often than not genuinely want to help anyone with low DPS to improve, because the more players we help, the better veteran dungeon pugs will be for EVERYONE.
Good thing ZOS are removing the ability to queue as multiple roles, right? XDWhat I did to farm Dibellium the first days of summerset was queue as all roles with my magblade and carry anyone if it was actually needed, you can pull an easy 30-40k blocking, dodging and healing whilst dpsing silly mechanics like the ones that you get from non dlc dungeon bosses. Motto of the story, magblades are stupidly overpowered, all I wanted to say was that tbh, pls nerf. Add more slots for homestead, nerf sloads, vote Sanders.
Been playing for a couple years now. Good to know that I must be absolute trash as I can't pull more than 15k single target, and apparently have no business going into dungeons or doing content to get better gear than my crafted purples.
Maybe I should just quit since I am so useless, and not even good enough to pug. Everything I have tried and every build I have used has not improved my output.
@Zhaedri , tell us a little more about your class, race, gear (including traits and enchantments), skill bars, CP allocation, mundus stone, food/drink, and rotation. There’s absolutely no reason (short of serious physical disability) why any damage dealer who is committed to improving their DPS should find themselves stuck at 15k. Your damage output is great for normal dungeons, where you can acquire better gear than your crafted gear, but it’s going to drag your group down if you’re completing veteran dungeons (especially vet DLC and story mode 2 dungeons).
Please don’t view this response as an insult, because it’s not. The so-called “elitists” more often than not genuinely want to help anyone with low DPS to improve, because the more players we help, the better veteran dungeon pugs will be for EVERYONE.
Sorry for my INCREDIBLY LATE reply. I don't check the forums as often as I once did.
I'm running a dunmer stamsorc (I like the whoosh-woosh of dual wield, what can I say?). CP 508.
For Armor/weapons I am running (all purple w/ purple enchants; armor is divines w/ stam enchant) 5 pc Night Mother's Gaze, 4 pc Hunding's Rage, 2 daggers (precise trait, absorb stam), 1 bow (precise, absorb stam). Jewelry is 3 pc Agility set, purple, stam recovery + robust trait.
Mundus stone is the Thief. Food is 'Garlic Cod with Potato Crust' (increases max health and stam, scales CP 150-CP 160); I used to go with Dubious Camoran Throne (inc health, stam, stam regen) but wasn't having too many issues with stam regen so went with something that had greater bonuses to health/stam.
My ability points are 10 in health, 54 in stam (even so, my base health is just under 12k without buffs).
CP allocation: The Lover 120 (40 mooncalf, 40 tenacity, 40 healthy), The Shadow 49 (30 shade, 19 tumbling... I will get treasure hunter eventually!), The Atronach 89 (40 Physical Weapons Expert, 49 Master At Arms), The Ritual 80 (40 Piercing, 40 Precise Strikes), The Steed 170 (35 Ironclad, 40 Spell Shield, 45 Resistant, 40 Medium Armor Focus).
Skills: Front Bar: Deadly Cloak, Rending Slashes, Rapid Strikes, Whirling Blades, Dark Deal... Ult is WW Berserker. Back Bar is Critical Surge, Poison Injection, Endless Hail, Trap Beast, Bound Armaments... Ult is Rapid Fire (couldn't decide what morph so left it). WW bar has all the WW stuff on it.. Pounce, Hircine's Bounty, Roar, Piercing Howl, Infectious Claws.
My rotation is really situational... the mix of ranged and close combat and an aoe and dot on each bar lets me solo most overland stuff, delves, and some public dungeons. I generally buff up with crit surge, and open with laying the dots down and then doing aoe/single target burst damage until it's dead, closing from range to switch to rapid strikes. Trap beast isn't working as well as I would like and is only in there because someone told me to put it in there since I have no access to caltrops to slow down targets.. I almost never use it though.
I've pretty well long given up doing group content as most will just tell me I am trash and not bother to help, or the ones I ask for help just tell me to google it or throw a bunch of gear that I cannot get without already being good/skill stuff from pvp which I am also no good at... Several have outright said 'go magsorc', and a few have told me to just reroll as something else since I am 'useless' at my current class. I really appreciate you willing to take a look at this mess and not be a jerk about it. I love this character and her being stuck as my crafter/thief and mats gatherer is sad when I -want- to be able to go do group content confidently and do stuff with my friends.
Edited to add:
I don't queue for vet. I feel garbo as it is for normal mode, and have no idea how people can get such high numbers. Every time I hear what looks like a high number to me, I feel even more trash about playing... as that eventuality of MAYBE getting to do vet stuff and trials gets moved further and further away... along with making new pve friends, getting the rewards like furnishing items, skins, motifs, personalities, etc. I have actually been kicked from NORMAL dungeons for saying "Hi! I haven't done this one before, can we do the quest?" or "Hi! I don't know this dungeon, this is my first time here."
I used to raid in another game. I know not to stand in stupid. I can follow directions for mechanics and appreciate anyone that can instruct me on them. I know to only queue for the role I can/am willing to play. I know not to jump ahead of the tank or make things hard on the healer. I'm not a jerk in group chat... rude people and trash talk really stresses me out, so I avoid that entirely (and have dropped groups that do it in the past).
I once joined a PVE guild that claimed to help people... but was totally lost in the roster and did not get any assistance or get to do any pve stuff with them. I left after two months, realizing I had no connection to anyone there and that my requests for assistance were getting ignored.
Been playing for a couple years now. Good to know that I must be absolute trash as I can't pull more than 15k single target, and apparently have no business going into dungeons or doing content to get better gear than my crafted purples.
Maybe I should just quit since I am so useless, and not even good enough to pug. Everything I have tried and every build I have used has not improved my output.
@Zhaedri , tell us a little more about your class, race, gear (including traits and enchantments), skill bars, CP allocation, mundus stone, food/drink, and rotation. There’s absolutely no reason (short of serious physical disability) why any damage dealer who is committed to improving their DPS should find themselves stuck at 15k. Your damage output is great for normal dungeons, where you can acquire better gear than your crafted gear, but it’s going to drag your group down if you’re completing veteran dungeons (especially vet DLC and story mode 2 dungeons).
Please don’t view this response as an insult, because it’s not. The so-called “elitists” more often than not genuinely want to help anyone with low DPS to improve, because the more players we help, the better veteran dungeon pugs will be for EVERYONE.
Sorry for my INCREDIBLY LATE reply. I don't check the forums as often as I once did.
I'm running a dunmer stamsorc (I like the whoosh-woosh of dual wield, what can I say?). CP 508.
For Armor/weapons I am running (all purple w/ purple enchants; armor is divines w/ stam enchant) 5 pc Night Mother's Gaze, 4 pc Hunding's Rage, 2 daggers (precise trait, absorb stam), 1 bow (precise, absorb stam). Jewelry is 3 pc Agility set, purple, stam recovery + robust trait.
Mundus stone is the Thief. Food is 'Garlic Cod with Potato Crust' (increases max health and stam, scales CP 150-CP 160); I used to go with Dubious Camoran Throne (inc health, stam, stam regen) but wasn't having too many issues with stam regen so went with something that had greater bonuses to health/stam.
My ability points are 10 in health, 54 in stam (even so, my base health is just under 12k without buffs).
CP allocation: The Lover 120 (40 mooncalf, 40 tenacity, 40 healthy), The Shadow 49 (30 shade, 19 tumbling... I will get treasure hunter eventually!), The Atronach 89 (40 Physical Weapons Expert, 49 Master At Arms), The Ritual 80 (40 Piercing, 40 Precise Strikes), The Steed 170 (35 Ironclad, 40 Spell Shield, 45 Resistant, 40 Medium Armor Focus).
Skills: Front Bar: Deadly Cloak, Rending Slashes, Rapid Strikes, Whirling Blades, Dark Deal... Ult is WW Berserker. Back Bar is Critical Surge, Poison Injection, Endless Hail, Trap Beast, Bound Armaments... Ult is Rapid Fire (couldn't decide what morph so left it). WW bar has all the WW stuff on it.. Pounce, Hircine's Bounty, Roar, Piercing Howl, Infectious Claws.
My rotation is really situational... the mix of ranged and close combat and an aoe and dot on each bar lets me solo most overland stuff, delves, and some public dungeons. I generally buff up with crit surge, and open with laying the dots down and then doing aoe/single target burst damage until it's dead, closing from range to switch to rapid strikes. Trap beast isn't working as well as I would like and is only in there because someone told me to put it in there since I have no access to caltrops to slow down targets.. I almost never use it though.
I've pretty well long given up doing group content as most will just tell me I am trash and not bother to help, or the ones I ask for help just tell me to google it or throw a bunch of gear that I cannot get without already being good/skill stuff from pvp which I am also no good at... Several have outright said 'go magsorc', and a few have told me to just reroll as something else since I am 'useless' at my current class. I really appreciate you willing to take a look at this mess and not be a jerk about it. I love this character and her being stuck as my crafter/thief and mats gatherer is sad when I -want- to be able to go do group content confidently and do stuff with my friends.
Edited to add:
I don't queue for vet. I feel garbo as it is for normal mode, and have no idea how people can get such high numbers. Every time I hear what looks like a high number to me, I feel even more trash about playing... as that eventuality of MAYBE getting to do vet stuff and trials gets moved further and further away... along with making new pve friends, getting the rewards like furnishing items, skins, motifs, personalities, etc. I have actually been kicked from NORMAL dungeons for saying "Hi! I haven't done this one before, can we do the quest?" or "Hi! I don't know this dungeon, this is my first time here."
I used to raid in another game. I know not to stand in stupid. I can follow directions for mechanics and appreciate anyone that can instruct me on them. I know to only queue for the role I can/am willing to play. I know not to jump ahead of the tank or make things hard on the healer. I'm not a jerk in group chat... rude people and trash talk really stresses me out, so I avoid that entirely (and have dropped groups that do it in the past).
I once joined a PVE guild that claimed to help people... but was totally lost in the roster and did not get any assistance or get to do any pve stuff with them. I left after two months, realizing I had no connection to anyone there and that my requests for assistance were getting ignored.
No problem re: the delayed response, @Zhaedri .I'm guessing you're on PC? If you were on PS4, I'd help you through some normal dungeons to get you the gear you need. What you're wearing right now is okay for normal dungeons, but you really need some dungeon or overland drops to get to the next level, and then some trials drops. Normal trials are easy, so once you feel comfortable in normal dungeons, that'll be the next step for you.
In any case, some suggestions that might help in the meantime:
Race:For damage dealers, race unfortunately does matter (more so than it does for tanks or, to a lesser extent, healers). Dunmers are better suited to magicka builds, as their passives buff max magicka and flame/frost/shock damage. You would see an improvement if you were to either re-build your character as a magsorc, or purchase a race change token and switch to a stamina oriented race, like Redguard. If you don't want to change races or roll a magsorc, there are certainly other changes you can make to do more damage. Just be aware, though, that you'll never get as much damage out of the character as you possibly could.
Gear:What you're wearing right now is acceptable for normal content, but you really should start trying to work on getting some dungeon drops and a monster set. A decent starter combination of crafted gear and drops would be something like 5 pc Strength of the Automaton (3 jewellery, 2 body), 5 pc Hundings Rage, and 2 pc Stormfist or Selene. Automaton drops from Darkshade Caverns, the Stormfist helm drops from vet Tempest Island, and the Selene helm drops from vet Selene's Web. Stormfist/Selenes shoulders are a random drop from Undaunted chests. Since it'll probably still be a while until you feel comfortable enough with your DPS to do vet dungeons and pledges, what you could possibly try doing instead is keeping your Agility jewellery, farming Darkshade for 5 Automaton body pieces, and filling the gaps with Hunding's Rage. Since 2H weapons count for two set pieces now, that will give you two five piece bonuses and the three piece bonus from Agility. Also, an easy vet helm to aim for once you feel ready to start moving to more of a meta gear setup is Kraghs (gives some nice penetration), which you can get from vet Fungal Grotto 1.
All of your armour should be divines and purple quality irrespective of the sets you use, with at least 5 medium pieces (ideal setup with Undaunted passives is 5 medium, 1 light, 1 heavy, but it'll be a while before you hit Undaunted rank 10, so for now, 5 medium and 2 heavy or 7 medium would be fine). Your weapons should be purple at the very least, gold for max DPS. Your bow could either be nirnhoned or sharpened with a disease damage glyph (or any other damage-oriented glyph, as you'd ideally like to use damage health poisons on your back bar), and your daggers should be one nirnhoned/sharpened with a poison damage glyph, and one precise with a weapon damage glyph. Stam return glyphs are garbage for DPS, as you will get better stam return from racial passives, food/drink, and CP.
If you want to stick with what you've got, that's okay too, but at the VERY least change the glyphs on your weapons, re-craft them with better traits, and gold them out if possible.
Skills:You're going to have to do a little bit of PVP if you want to get the most out of a stamina damage dealer. Dealing effective damage is all about damage over time and your rotation. Caltrops is an unquestionable must-have for any stamina damage dealer, as it is the most effective DOT skill at your disposal. You don't have to go to Cyrodiil to get Caltrops, though; you can run quick Battlegrounds (they take about 10 mins max) and you earn alliance points even if you lose. No one has any big expectations of you in Battlegrounds, and even if they do, meh. You're just there for Caltrops, so who cares what they think? It doesn't take long at all to hit the rank you need to unlock Caltrops. When you do get it, level it up ASAP so you can morph it to Razor Caltrops.
I don't know much about Werewolf; what I do know is that they're generally better for PVP than they are for PVE. No serious stam damage dealers I know run Werewolf. It's up to you if you want to use Werewolf form in dungeons, but do keep in mind that there are better options and you might get auto-booted for using Werewolf (too many bad experiences with Werewolves who deal poor damage in dungeons gets to some people). Hunt around on YouTube for some PVE Werewolf builds if you do want to stick with it.
One bar skill combo you could try (and keep in mind that there are better options once you master light attack weaving) is the following:
DW: Rending Slashes, Deadly Cloak, Shrouded Daggers, Hurricane (absolute must have for stam sorc -- it's your bread and butter), Bound Armaments, Flawless Dawnbreaker (and make sure you have the Fighters Guild passive that increases weapon damage for each FG skill equipped).
Bow: Endless Hail, Rearming Trap, Poison Injection, Razor Caltrops, Bound Armaments, Ballista (WAY better morph of Rapid Fire than Toxic Barrage, because you don't have to stay on your bow bar until it finishes).
Until you get Caltrops, you could slot something like Crit Surge or Dark Deal. I can't emphasize enough, though, how important Caltrops is to stamina DPS.
Rotation:The meta rotations right now are focused on light attack weaving, as stam sorcs no longer get a buff for heavy attack weaving. However, since you're still learning, heavy attack weaving on your DW bar may be easier for you to manage when you're starting out. It would also help you with stamina sustain. One relatively easy rotation (which I used on my PVP stam sorc while I was grinding out Undaunted Ranks) you could try is this:
Pre-buffs: Deadly Cloak + Hurricane (always try to keep Hurricane up, but refresh it just before it expires!)
Main rotation:
Bow bar: Endless Hail --> Light Attack (LA) --> Rearming Trap --> LA --> Poison Injection --> LA --> Caltrops --> Weapon Swap
DW bar: Heavy Attack (HA) --> Rending Slashes --> HA --> Deadly Cloak --> HA --> Shrouded Daggers --> HA --> Hurricane --> Weapon Swap --> LA
Repeat until boss is dead. For trash pulls before bosses, activating Deadly Cloak and Hurricane before doing just your bow bar rotation will usually be enough in normal dungeons.
CP Allocation and Attributes:Your current CP setup isn't as good as it could be. You're occasionally investing into areas that do nothing for you (e.g. Resistant is for PVP crit resistance, and you're a PVE damage dealer -- there's no crit damage dealt to you in PVE).
Try following Alcast's CP recommendations for 300 CP (https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-build-pve/) as a base line, and then add your remaining points into other constellations included in the CP 750 setup (e.g. Master-at-Arms and Physical Weapon Expert). It's kind of tough to optimize your CP for you when I'm not sure what you'll be wearing, but this will at least give you a very basic idea. You'll also be better off when you stop spending points on useless things like Resistant, Healthy, and Medium Armour Focus.
Attributes: all stamina, so long as your health with food sits at 16-17k or higher. You'd probably be better off sticking with your current food, as it should give you enough health to get to that 16k minimum.
Sorry for being long-winded, but hopefully it's clear enough to follow.Keep in mind that my recommendations aren't going to take you to 30k plus, but they should hopefully at least push you over the 20k mark, which is fine for easier vet dungeons. 30k plus with your class/race combo would require access to gear that might be unrealistic for you to attain right now, like certain monster sets, and dungeon/trial sets. Focus on the stuff you can easily change now (e.g. CP allocation, weapon glyphs, skill setups) and acquire gear at your own pace. Most importantly, start practicing your rotation on a dummy, and start working towards getting Caltrops. As I said, Battlegrounds are a relatively painless way to level up your Alliance ranks, and once you have Caltrops, you never have to touch PVP again.
Keep in mind, too, that even if you suddenly were to gain access to 750 CP and best in slot trial gear overnight, you won't go from 15k DPS to 35K+ DPS in a single day without a good rotation and lots of practice. Just keep at it, and try not to get discouraged. I struggled too, at first, and got kicked from dungeons -- we all do. And then we get better.