This is why YOU get kicked for being low CP or bad at DPS/Heals/Tank

BuddyAces · July 2018

Charliff1966 wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

And vet content is not made for people with this attitude. It was put in for people who put in the time to tackle harder content (in this case one step up from normal dungeons).

You don't try to enlist in the marine corps 200 lbs over weight with a broken ankle. You don't go into vet dungeons in green questing gear spamming light attacks and maybe one other skill. Join a guild that will teach you how, there's one or two out there, I promise. If you can't be prepared to do the content you Q for then you are the jerk holding up 3 other folks' time.

If the game allows me into the vet-content i will do it because ZOS says i can do it. Dont want me, dont use the dungeon finder.

It's a good thing there's a kick function for folks like you then =D Win win for all

ZOS_GregoryV · July 2018

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MooseKnuckles88 · July 2018

First let me say this. I play ESO to relax and escape reality of long days work and to destress after I put my kids to bed. So I'll jump on ESO have a beer and play for a couple hours at night. Get in my crafting and other dailies. Here's my story of a recent pug.

Recently I used the dungeon finder to pug for vCoH1. I've done this dungeon many times before with guild members, but it was later in the evening and I just wanted to see if I could get the Ilambris helm in light. Now, most of the time I run normal dungeons if I'm pugging dailies unless it's an easier dungeon, then I'll pug on vet. IMO vCoH1 isn't that hard. I pugged as a dps on vet. I got into a group and everything was going fine (at least it seemed that way) until we got to the first boss. I was with two cp750s, and one cp670. I was cp420 at the time. So we get to the first boss and the tank pulls aggro for just the first 10 secs, then runs off and away from the main boss. The healer was right next to me but not engaging any skills after the first 30sec. The other dps did a few skills and ran after the tank. So it was just me attacking, the boss turns towards me and starts chasing me all around. At this point I swap bars to shield and self heal, I swapped back to try and dps again but kept having to swap back to self heal. I ended up dying after about 3 mins of this since it wasn't getting me anywhere anyways. While I was running around and trying to stay alive the other dps was mocking my dps in group chat stating that I wasn't even hitting 10k dps and bashing the hell out of me. Then while I'm dead on the floor he continues to mock me with more emotes and group chat bashing. Another player joined in about how I messed up his no death. I retaliated stating how am I supposed to do any decent rotation when they're all just watching me scramble while they eat popcorn, as I try to both attack and stay alive. We (me and the other dps) exchanged words at that point, the group leader offered to kick him out, but by that time I was already too heated and disgusted to continue with anyone in the group. I can imagine the dude being pissed and stomping his feet if I appeared in Ruins of Mazz or Scalecaller or Bloodroot Forged on vet, but come on were in Crypt of Hearts 1.

Now in my defense, I hit well above 10k dps, more like 24k dps on a 3 mil parse, but I'm definitely no 35k dps allstar either, and if elite superstars are expecting that in a pug dungeon finder then maybe you should reconsider using the dungeon finder at all.

One bad toxic player doesn't mean every player is this toxic in vet dungeon finder but it has me reluctant from ever queuing for another vet dungeon. I did not expect to walk into that after working all day only to deal with nonsense on the very game I use to get away from headaches. So please, if you're too good pug, then dungeon finder is not for you. Just my two cents.

zaria · July 2018

Inarre wrote: »

I was initially really upset that ZOS has taken away the option to queue for multiple roles with dungeon finder.

It's a *** off for people who, like me, main a healer and can do that role to a vet-trial level, but would like to, on the off-chance that the system needs it, work on my 30-35k dps rotation that I never get to experience in a group setting.

But, honestly at this point it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if I get ONE MORE F^&%!@$&^*ing "healer" in my pledge group who spams rapid regen like it's going to STACK by some miracle if he PRESSES THE BUTTON FAST ENOUGH or a "tank" who runs dual wield/bow and tries to tank the boss while its uppercutting the healer across the room by positioning himself in between them and blocking.

I do NOT understand why this game cannot integrate some sort of BASIC training for people who refuse to READ their skills.

Thanks, you explains why people dual slot roles, never understood it, but understand you, you double queue to get in fast but would prefer to go as DD.
Was in an dungeon recently there we was two healers, we found out on first trash, I only has healer setup on templar and he said he double queued and switch to DD, smooth and fast run but did not understand before now.

Azuramoonstar · July 2018

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

I'm really glad someone came and said this. I'll never understand why some people avoid the "meta" like the plague. Fine, you don't want to use sets that will give you the best damage. But if you aren't performing up to par for the sake of being unique, I have no time to put up with your 15k dps.

Its because meta's are not the only way to play, nor does any game require people to follow the meta. You can be a good player, and do good damage w/o doing the meta. Most meta are crafted from ppl watching first world top % and looking for what they feels is a guarantee win.

Assuming people who don't follow the meta suck, is a bad attitude to have in mmo.

LadyNalcarya · July 2018

Agenericname wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

@LadyNalcarya
You know, I heart you!

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

But chess is also just a game, but you're expected to follow the rules if you decide to play it...

It's not against the rules. Going into a dungeon in all greens spamming light attacks may not be what you want, or optimal, or even courteous, but it isn't against the rules.

Not fulfilling your role is, though. And if a dd does less damage than a legit tank, they're not playing their role.
Same with fake healers and tanks of course.
Its like if someone signed up to be a goal keeper and started running all over the place without actually doing their job.

zaria · July 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

@LadyNalcarya
You know, I heart you!

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

But chess is also just a game, but you're expected to follow the rules if you decide to play it...

It's not against the rules. Going into a dungeon in all greens spamming light attacks may not be what you want, or optimal, or even courteous, but it isn't against the rules.

Not fulfilling your role is, though. And if a dd does less damage than a legit tank, they're not playing their role.
Same with fake healers and tanks of course.
Its like if someone signed up to be a goal keeper and started running all over the place without actually doing their job.

And most of all how does the group do, if your level 10 in all random gear spam LA in nBC1 and the rest of the group is experienced players it would be very *** to kick you. Doing it in an normal dlc might well get you kicked if group is weak, it will get you kicked in harder vet dungeons.

And here is part of the problem, many get so used to getting carried in easy content they feel like they have an right to getting carried.

Smasherx74 · July 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

I'm really glad someone came and said this. I'll never understand why some people avoid the "meta" like the plague. Fine, you don't want to use sets that will give you the best damage. But if you aren't performing up to par for the sake of being unique, I have no time to put up with your 15k dps.

Its because meta's are not the only way to play, nor does any game require people to follow the meta. You can be a good player, and do good damage w/o doing the meta. Most meta are crafted from ppl watching first world top % and looking for what they feels is a guarantee win.

Assuming people who don't follow the meta suck, is a bad attitude to have in mmo.

Here is the problem with this whole "you dont have to play metas" thing.

Unless you're super experienced and have tons of gold/guildies/time to spend, you aren't going to come up with a non-meta build that generates a decent amount of DPS. There is a difference from a good build and a bad build. Most non-meta "builds" are bad.

DaveMoeDee · July 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

I'm really glad someone came and said this. I'll never understand why some people avoid the "meta" like the plague. Fine, you don't want to use sets that will give you the best damage. But if you aren't performing up to par for the sake of being unique, I have no time to put up with your 15k dps.

Its because meta's are not the only way to play, nor does any game require people to follow the meta. You can be a good player, and do good damage w/o doing the meta. Most meta are crafted from ppl watching first world top % and looking for what they feels is a guarantee win.

Assuming people who don't follow the meta suck, is a bad attitude to have in mmo.

I don't care about meta. I care about people doing the bare minimum and refusing to adjust. I care about fake DDs making a dungeon take forever, though I will stick it out. I also care about being paired with people who aren't interested in hard mode for a pledge.

If you aren't the tank and you are running s&b, change or leave. If you are a DD with 40k health, goodbye.

Inarre · July 2018

zaria wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

I was initially really upset that ZOS has taken away the option to queue for multiple roles with dungeon finder.

It's a *** off for people who, like me, main a healer and can do that role to a vet-trial level, but would like to, on the off-chance that the system needs it, work on my 30-35k dps rotation that I never get to experience in a group setting.

But, honestly at this point it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if I get ONE MORE F^&%!@$&^*ing "healer" in my pledge group who spams rapid regen like it's going to STACK by some miracle if he PRESSES THE BUTTON FAST ENOUGH or a "tank" who runs dual wield/bow and tries to tank the boss while its uppercutting the healer across the room by positioning himself in between them and blocking.

I do NOT understand why this game cannot integrate some sort of BASIC training for people who refuse to READ their skills.

Thanks, you explains why people dual slot roles, never understood it, but understand you, you double queue to get in fast but would prefer to go as DD.
Was in an dungeon recently there we was two healers, we found out on first trash, I only has healer setup on templar and he said he double queued and switch to DD, smooth and fast run but did not understand before now.

Sort of. I queue this way because i can do either role, not because I want a fast queue necessarily, although thats a nice side benefit. At least not in the sense that I slot heals and I actually want to dps. If someone needs a heal, I have no problem doing that and I have my alphagear set up so its literally 1 second, 1 button click to swap roles including gear and skills.

The issue that happens when people get into a dungeon and you have two healers is because the person who slotted for two roles didnt read the pop up notification or even check party menu when they ported in to see what they are doing. I've had the same thing happen when our healer was a dual role and assumed they were dps. Honestly its a giant white icon on your screen when you press the button to signify you're ready for the queue, so I have no idea how people don't think to read it.

Mettaricana · July 2018

Kinda wish zos would stop making vet content thats only doable with alcast meta... and make the game fun again playing a little more how you want. But also fix the fake roles some how

Revi_Nightfire · July 2018

When you become Rank 50 you are eligible to do Veteran Dungeons. This is what the game literature states and as the game currently stands you can participate in a Veteran Dungeon regardless of what CP level you are, how much damage you can deal or how well you can heal the group.

ZOS set's the restrictions, not the players. They did not make this decision and maintain this decision in naivety, you can be sure they have all the statistic and averages of how many high CP vs low CP players, and all the numbers that come with that and more.

If there were requirements put in place to match the standards that are suggested in the original post, then the success chance of the Dungeon would be virtually 100%. Which would be a chore, not a challenge. Four players queueing all meeting or exceeding the standard or above and the dungeon going flawlessly everytime is pointless.

I think part of what makes a great Healer is being able to keep that squishy Tank alive and being able to maintain their heals long enough for weak DPS to finally get the boss down. At least to me, that's highly impressive, much more so than showing your heal numbers to three more people who could care less because they're concerned with their huge numbers.

I believe there is truth to the statement that this is an echo chamber, entitlement and dissatisfaction are a rampant disease in more than the MMO genre and highly contagious.

It's easy to elevate yourself and lower others but I will always admire the gems I've encountered and friended over my years playing. Such as one Templar when I stared down the final boss of Wayrest Sewers II in all her piercing glory when I decided I wanted to give tanking a go (Didn't end well, respect to all you tanks) and I was honest and said "I'm going to be honest, I'm going to die" and the templar laughed and said "Trust me, you won't". Stay Classy.

witchdoctor · July 2018

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

ZOS set's the restrictions, not the players.

You are 100% right. One way in which ZOS does so is by making the dungeons progressively harder.

Vet Falkreath Hold is an order of magnitude harder than vet Spindle 1.

Part of the point being discussed in this thread is, if vet dungeon A requires X amount of DPS, or requires a mechanic to be done, and Player B cannot do the DPS or the mechanic, then they are either unprepared or unwilling (case depending).

If they are either, then they shouldn't be surprised if they get kicked.

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

When you become Rank 50 you are eligible to do Veteran Dungeons. This is what the game literature states and as the game currently stands you can participate in a Veteran Dungeon regardless of what CP level you are, how much damage you can deal or how well you can heal the group.

No. You become able to queue in the group finder for them. Just because you can queue for it, doesn't mean you have the capability to complete it. That's the point.

Charliff1966 · July 2018

BuddyAces wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

And vet content is not made for people with this attitude. It was put in for people who put in the time to tackle harder content (in this case one step up from normal dungeons).

You don't try to enlist in the marine corps 200 lbs over weight with a broken ankle. You don't go into vet dungeons in green questing gear spamming light attacks and maybe one other skill. Join a guild that will teach you how, there's one or two out there, I promise. If you can't be prepared to do the content you Q for then you are the jerk holding up 3 other folks' time.

If the game allows me into the vet-content i will do it because ZOS says i can do it. Dont want me, dont use the dungeon finder.

It's a good thing there's a kick function for folks like you then =D Win win for all

Hence i do vets with my wife, which makes it impossible to kick me.

Revi_Nightfire · July 2018

witchdoctor wrote: »

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

ZOS set's the restrictions, not the players.

You are 100% right. One way in which ZOS does so is by making the dungeons progressively harder.

Vet Falkreath Hold is an order of magnitude harder than vet Spindle 1.

Part of the point being discussed in this thread is, if vet dungeon A requires X amount of DPS, or requires a mechanic to be done, and Player B cannot do the DPS or the mechanic, then they are either unprepared or unwilling (case depending).

If they are either, then they shouldn't be surprised if they get kicked.

Revi_Nightfire wrote: »

When you become Rank 50 you are eligible to do Veteran Dungeons. This is what the game literature states and as the game currently stands you can participate in a Veteran Dungeon regardless of what CP level you are, how much damage you can deal or how well you can heal the group.

No. You become able to queue in the group finder for them. Just because you can queue for it, doesn't mean you have the capability to complete it. That's the point.

I agree with you on almost all these things. I did not say being able to queue for Veteran Dungeons means they have the capability to complete it. My point was they have the ZOS given right to attempt it. Which of course means that you have the ZOS given right to vote to kick them because you feel they are inadequate. Each player has a 25% say in that matter and if lower level players queue in pairs resulting in a stalemate then the higher level player has the right to leave.

These remain the facts regardless of the difficulty of the dungeon.

The point of my statement is that if you are angry with those players for attempting it, then you are being angry at players for doing what they are allowed to do. There is no posted statement or reprimand for failing to meet a dungeons 'Requirements'.

Let's bring this into perspective, I prefer example.

Example A

Meet Jenny, She lives in a Californian suburb and decided to get into video games with her spectacularly sexy husband Gordan Ramsey. Jenny and Gordon have never played a video game before. Naturally, they purchase ESO and a bottle of Pinot Grigio and have days of fun and romance hacking and slashing their way to level 50! Realizing they are now eligible for Veteran Dungeons. They decide to queue to see what the heck this stuff is all about. They enter and within 10 Minutes Feel-the-heel and Mlgproblcker kindly yell "What the #$@#$ cant you even $#%@#$ you son of a @#$@#$" however Gordan's Provisioning was never called into question so he and Jenny kept their cool.

Jenny and Gordan did nothing wrong.

Feel-the-heel and Mlgproblcker could possibly be guilty of flaming.

Example B

Lenny is a self-proclaimed solo role player. He repeatedly queues for Veteran Dungeons so he can be a glorious knight and battle and slay the dragon. Lenny is consistently booted prior to the first boss 99% of the time but always vows his revenge.

Lenny did nothing wrong to break the rules, neither did the players that kicked him.

Thanks

aetherial_heavenn · July 2018

menathradiel wrote: »

This is why I don't play dungeons. Can't get experience because I am kicked; kicked because I have no experience. And to top that off, I am then blamed for the fact that I have no experience of dungeons, by the people who kicked me. Charming.

Join a guild and get taught. Even trade guilds have people who help if you ask politely. Or make some friends and learn together. OR JUST DON'T DO VET. 3 options that don't involve you expecting total strangers to stuff up their playtime for your sake. That is not charming.

webrgesner · July 2018

All i have to say is NOOBS STAY TF OUT OF VET DUNGEONS. They dont get it. If you suck at your role then youre out of your league to do vet DLC's. I am good at this game as a DPS i can pull 46k on a dummy so in a dungeon run i can possibly pull 42k. I had a lvl600 tank with me our first time doing scale caller. i asked him to do it with me cuz hes a BEAST tank. we wued and got a lvl 300 magdk dps. I carried him so easily. Our healer was also a dps and a healer pet sorc. First time doing scale caller we finished in less than 35 minutes while learning mechanics. Why? Because DPS was good and so was tank. If you suck then do normal until you get gud.

Revi_Nightfire · July 2018

webrgesner wrote: »

All i have to say is NOOBS STAY TF OUT OF VET DUNGEONS. They dont get it. If you suck at your role then youre out of your league to do vet DLC's. I am good at this game as a DPS i can pull 46k on a dummy so in a dungeon run i can possibly pull 42k. I had a lvl600 tank with me our first time doing scale caller. i asked him to do it with me cuz hes a BEAST tank. we wued and got a lvl 300 magdk dps. I carried him so easily. Our healer was also a dps and a healer pet sorc. First time doing scale caller we finished in less than 35 minutes while learning mechanics. Why? Because DPS was good and so was tank. If you suck then do normal until you get gud.

I know that this is a passionate debate. With players on both sides of the argument being... very heated...but can we all come together and agree that this is a meme?

D0PAMINE · July 2018

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

I'm really glad someone came and said this. I'll never understand why some people avoid the "meta" like the plague. Fine, you don't want to use sets that will give you the best damage. But if you aren't performing up to par for the sake of being unique, I have no time to put up with your 15k dps.

Its because meta's are not the only way to play, nor does any game require people to follow the meta. You can be a good player, and do good damage w/o doing the meta. Most meta are crafted from ppl watching first world top % and looking for what they feels is a guarantee win.

Assuming people who don't follow the meta suck, is a bad attitude to have in mmo.

Here is the problem with this whole "you dont have to play metas" thing.

Unless you're super experienced and have tons of gold/guildies/time to spend, you aren't going to come up with a non-meta build that generates a decent amount of DPS. There is a difference from a good build and a bad build. Most non-meta "builds" are bad.

I've seen players using meta builds who do exactly the same as like Julianos and BSW or whatever effective combo they pair it with in vdungeons or trials even though their dummy parse was sound.

Huyen · July 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

I'm really glad someone came and said this. I'll never understand why some people avoid the "meta" like the plague. Fine, you don't want to use sets that will give you the best damage. But if you aren't performing up to par for the sake of being unique, I have no time to put up with your 15k dps.

Its because meta's are not the only way to play, nor does any game require people to follow the meta. You can be a good player, and do good damage w/o doing the meta. Most meta are crafted from ppl watching first world top % and looking for what they feels is a guarantee win.

Assuming people who don't follow the meta suck, is a bad attitude to have in mmo.

I don't care about meta. I care about people doing the bare minimum and refusing to adjust. I care about fake DDs making a dungeon take forever, though I will stick it out. I also care about being paired with people who aren't interested in hard mode for a pledge.

If you aren't the tank and you are running s&b, change or leave. If you are a DD with 40k health, goodbye.

This is exactly what makes me quit tanking. And ofc all the pvp people in vets that think they can rush on.

zaria · July 2018

Inarre wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

I was initially really upset that ZOS has taken away the option to queue for multiple roles with dungeon finder.

It's a *** off for people who, like me, main a healer and can do that role to a vet-trial level, but would like to, on the off-chance that the system needs it, work on my 30-35k dps rotation that I never get to experience in a group setting.

But, honestly at this point it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if I get ONE MORE F^&%!@$&^*ing "healer" in my pledge group who spams rapid regen like it's going to STACK by some miracle if he PRESSES THE BUTTON FAST ENOUGH or a "tank" who runs dual wield/bow and tries to tank the boss while its uppercutting the healer across the room by positioning himself in between them and blocking.

I do NOT understand why this game cannot integrate some sort of BASIC training for people who refuse to READ their skills.

Thanks, you explains why people dual slot roles, never understood it, but understand you, you double queue to get in fast but would prefer to go as DD.
Was in an dungeon recently there we was two healers, we found out on first trash, I only has healer setup on templar and he said he double queued and switch to DD, smooth and fast run but did not understand before now.

Sort of. I queue this way because i can do either role, not because I want a fast queue necessarily, although thats a nice side benefit. At least not in the sense that I slot heals and I actually want to dps. If someone needs a heal, I have no problem doing that and I have my alphagear set up so its literally 1 second, 1 button click to swap roles including gear and skills.

The issue that happens when people get into a dungeon and you have two healers is because the person who slotted for two roles didnt read the pop up notification or even check party menu when they ported in to see what they are doing. I've had the same thing happen when our healer was a dual role and assumed they were dps. Honestly its a giant white icon on your screen when you press the button to signify you're ready for the queue, so I have no idea how people don't think to read it.

Good point about the giant icon , guess he was so used getting in as healer he did not watch the screen.
I did not think about it either as I don't dual slot.
And yes alpha slot is awesome, I uses dressing room and learned to use it before dungeons, trying to heal in medium armor stealth gear was not an good idea

for healers I find it nice to change gear between an more dps focused setup and an healing one, dependent on bosses.

Huyen · July 2018

Right now I just want to thank this rotten community for showing me trying to tank dungeons is the quickest way to let people quit the game. Iam talking about the following group of players: those who think they are elitist and dont let me do my job, those who dont care for tactics in dlc dungeons, fake healers and dps, people refusing to learn tactics and last but not least the people who blame others.

And a big thanks to ZoS for making dlc dungeons 3 times harder then the other dungeons! Failing a daily random dungeon10 times on the same day because its a dlc dungeon with a group composed of aforementioned people on normal is a sure way to scare people away!

Aebaradath · July 2018

Man, I so wish the in-game ignore option will some day have a function added to it that prevents you from ever getting into a queue with said ignored person again...

It's so tiresome seeing those players with an elitist/I'm-Better-Than-You mentality who shove their "I'm right, you're wrong" mindset down your throat and demand you conform to their playstyle rather than just, you know, actually help a less experienced player.

Using "Meta" sets doesn't automatically make a "good" player with xxMLGPR0xx l33t fiddy K DPS. Besides, I've seen low CP players perform just as well as max levels so kicking a low-level just because of that without giving them a chance is asinine behavior.

zaria · July 2018

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LOL, and yes its an auto correct feature in that it don't flag the wrong "world" as long as its not spelled wrong.
And normals is a bit hit an miss, most of the time they are trivial but sometimes you get an dlc with complete fools this is rare however. So rare its memorable. still remember nBC2 on Imiril, yes dps was low but we pushed on until her, on an warden healer, magden are known for their high dps so then she did 80% of dps in that fight I knew something was wrong, yes nobody else use AoE, that fight is an soft dps check, no its not hard even in vet but still an dps check.

ZOS_JesC · July 2018

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