This is why YOU get kicked for being low CP or bad at DPS/Heals/Tank

exeeter702

I wonder what is worse...

Toxic, aggressive, elitist players that demand everyone be at the highest level of performance when in a group lest them be judged, insulted and ostricized for even being in the elitists group..

Or

Absoutle, worthless deadweight players with no desire to absorb knowledge and improve there ability in game, who ride on the backs of others in content they have no business participating in..

Or

Truly inept players who through no fault of their own, simply cant play any better then medicore, who have no bearing on higher skill level gameplay because they dont realize there is external sources outside the actual game that help people step up their game.

Frankly, you cant avoid it. But im honestly of the camp that believes, assuming the developers of said game implements adequate tools to help educate players on all aspects of all skill levels, people should be held accountable and if you cant keep up, dont being others down.

There seems to be some confusion here in that many people conflate the two separate issues of having to teach players mechanics in an encounter they are a virgin to, and tolerating absymal role performance. I understand the benefits of teaching players an encounter in a vet dungeon, but rest assured, there is no amount of assistence you can bestow someone in a vet group pug chat that is going to magically make their 10k dps turn into 20+k. Not being a *** goes without saying, but there is something particularly insulting when you end up with players in a group that have absolutely no clue what their doing and are either oblivious in their shear ineptitude or are fully aware of it and what to skate by hoping others wont notice.

Queuing for a random group essentially means you have to accept all variables true, but for many who have played in online multiplayer games for many years, its difficult to subscribe to the logic that someone who willingly particpates in a group challenge would NOT want to do everything they can to be the best they can be among their peers (other players). I certainly dont. I come from the generation that if you werent good enough, you lost, and no one was going to try and tell you otherwise. If you step into a game or challenge with other individuals, why on earth would you not give it your best shot. And if your best is not good enough you play on a lower calibur with similar players or you get picked last.

TLDR - If you arent willing to play at your best, in this case, spend time practicing a rotation, check out some guides, ask help from guild mates, work on aquiring gear, and simply just learn, then stay out of harder multiplayer content and grow a thicker skin. Sorry.

Rain_Greyraven

Every time I read anything like this from the most cancerous part of the community I say this little mantra.....


I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild I love my guild

adeptusminor

JJBoomer wrote: »

Thank you for showing yourselves. Now i know to never group with any of you and will advise all my guilds to also never group with you, and will spread the word in game to blackball you guys. Thanks for making it easy!

I know right? How dare people expect DPS to fulfill their role in a vet dungeon, the nerve of some people.

wowi70

AuldWolf wrote: »

It makes my head spin.

I've never known any other game where sociopaths come forward and freely admit their toxicity and elitism to everyone. What do you think that publicly embodying the dark triad gets you? This 'YOU' nonsense, especially.

This is what's killing the trial scene, and it's what will put the final nail in the coffin. This is why people don't play trials, because they're forced to group with people like the OP. ZeniMax needs to take the forced grouping element away by having trials scale tot he number of people entering, with the minimum number being 1 or 2 people. This way, people can get together to have a fun dungeon run in any number, but they aren't forced to group with a person like the OP.

Removing forced grouping from trials is the only way to cut away this toxicity from the game. The trial scene is only going to continue to implode, and threads like this will continue to be posted right up until the trial scene completely dies off and only sociopathic people are running it. I suspect we're pretty close to that point already.

ZOS is doing themselves no favours by catering to this crowd. It looks bad for the game.

And in the bad end a little group of these elitist will play ... äh argue together who is better and in the end only one will be left callin himself then king of nothing and no one *muahaha*
While others have fun winning and loosing together. You are 100% right. Guess these who cry here most are the dumbs when it comes to real life and real sport!

haelene

Lol, this again?

Half the people are under the impression that it's probable for every person to hit 30k single target dps without buffs, and that it's required on all content.

The other half refuse to believe that their performance can impact another persons experience or simply don't care that it does.

So one half is delusional, the other half is selfish - and both are wrong but neither will relent.

Popcorn anyone?

LadyNalcarya

wowi70 wrote: »

AuldWolf wrote: »

It makes my head spin.

I've never known any other game where sociopaths come forward and freely admit their toxicity and elitism to everyone. What do you think that publicly embodying the dark triad gets you? This 'YOU' nonsense, especially.

This is what's killing the trial scene, and it's what will put the final nail in the coffin. This is why people don't play trials, because they're forced to group with people like the OP. ZeniMax needs to take the forced grouping element away by having trials scale tot he number of people entering, with the minimum number being 1 or 2 people. This way, people can get together to have a fun dungeon run in any number, but they aren't forced to group with a person like the OP.

Removing forced grouping from trials is the only way to cut away this toxicity from the game. The trial scene is only going to continue to implode, and threads like this will continue to be posted right up until the trial scene completely dies off and only sociopathic people are running it. I suspect we're pretty close to that point already.

ZOS is doing themselves no favours by catering to this crowd. It looks bad for the game.

And in the bad end a little group of these elitist will play ... äh argue together who is better and in the end only one will be left callin himself then king of nothing and no one *muahaha*
While others have fun winning and loosing together. You are 100% right. Guess these who cry here most are the dumbs when it comes to real life and real sport!

Well, elitist is a person who thinks they're better than everyone else, right? Then who are the actual elitists here, those who are team players or those who think they're too good for that sh*t?
You're absolutely right, being selfish and refusing to play your role is bad sportsmanship and can be very toxic.

Integral1900

For me it’s a simple tick sheet, anything above this is gravy

Tank normal
Don’t die at all... health, regen, damage reduction etc
Taunt boss and turn them away from the group
Don’t run around!
In vet apply at least one buff for the group and at least one debuf to the enemy

Dps
Don’t die to often. Most “meta” (insert build of the week shortly to get nerfed into the ground) have around 17 k but I’m a bit slower so I find 25 k and a good slab of healing is more comfy and doesn’t affect the output to much, also I’m used to having fake healers so I tend to build characters like a fortress
In normal I’d say 10 to 15 k dps is fine, vet would be 25 plus as long as you learn the mechanics, easily done by studying skills, gear and a few YouTube guides

Healer
Heal stuff..........
Don’t die........ but if you do feel free to shout at the dps as they should have saved you
If it’s going wrong stick to healing, let the dps resurrect players, your number one aim is keeping the tank and at least one dps alive
Do a bit of damage as it’s prety simple to chuck a skill or two in, my main is just a dps with a heal staff and she has been through every bit of pve content there is, no complaints thrown at me so far

Be willing to learn, you don’t know everything and neither do we but if we have been playing longer we will most likely know more than you

Lastly.... don’t turn off chat! We can’t help you with advice if you won’t comunicate, for most players that get kicked it’s their refusal to comunicate that puts players backs up in the first place

AH93

Zhaedri wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Zhaedri wrote: »

Been playing for a couple years now. Good to know that I must be absolute trash as I can't pull more than 15k single target, and apparently have no business going into dungeons or doing content to get better gear than my crafted purples.

Maybe I should just quit since I am so useless, and not even good enough to pug. Everything I have tried and every build I have used has not improved my output.

@Zhaedri , tell us a little more about your class, race, gear (including traits and enchantments), skill bars, CP allocation, mundus stone, food/drink, and rotation. There’s absolutely no reason (short of serious physical disability) why any damage dealer who is committed to improving their DPS should find themselves stuck at 15k. Your damage output is great for normal dungeons, where you can acquire better gear than your crafted gear, but it’s going to drag your group down if you’re completing veteran dungeons (especially vet DLC and story mode 2 dungeons).

Please don’t view this response as an insult, because it’s not. The so-called “elitists” more often than not genuinely want to help anyone with low DPS to improve, because the more players we help, the better veteran dungeon pugs will be for EVERYONE.

Sorry for my INCREDIBLY LATE reply. I don't check the forums as often as I once did.

I'm running a dunmer stamsorc (I like the whoosh-woosh of dual wield, what can I say?). CP 508.

For Armor/weapons I am running (all purple w/ purple enchants; armor is divines w/ stam enchant) 5 pc Night Mother's Gaze, 4 pc Hunding's Rage, 2 daggers (precise trait, absorb stam), 1 bow (precise, absorb stam). Jewelry is 3 pc Agility set, purple, stam recovery + robust trait.

Mundus stone is the Thief. Food is 'Garlic Cod with Potato Crust' (increases max health and stam, scales CP 150-CP 160); I used to go with Dubious Camoran Throne (inc health, stam, stam regen) but wasn't having too many issues with stam regen so went with something that had greater bonuses to health/stam.

My ability points are 10 in health, 54 in stam (even so, my base health is just under 12k without buffs).

CP allocation: The Lover 120 (40 mooncalf, 40 tenacity, 40 healthy), The Shadow 49 (30 shade, 19 tumbling... I will get treasure hunter eventually!), The Atronach 89 (40 Physical Weapons Expert, 49 Master At Arms), The Ritual 80 (40 Piercing, 40 Precise Strikes), The Steed 170 (35 Ironclad, 40 Spell Shield, 45 Resistant, 40 Medium Armor Focus).

Skills: Front Bar: Deadly Cloak, Rending Slashes, Rapid Strikes, Whirling Blades, Dark Deal... Ult is WW Berserker. Back Bar is Critical Surge, Poison Injection, Endless Hail, Trap Beast, Bound Armaments... Ult is Rapid Fire (couldn't decide what morph so left it). WW bar has all the WW stuff on it.. Pounce, Hircine's Bounty, Roar, Piercing Howl, Infectious Claws.

My rotation is really situational... the mix of ranged and close combat and an aoe and dot on each bar lets me solo most overland stuff, delves, and some public dungeons. I generally buff up with crit surge, and open with laying the dots down and then doing aoe/single target burst damage until it's dead, closing from range to switch to rapid strikes. Trap beast isn't working as well as I would like and is only in there because someone told me to put it in there since I have no access to caltrops to slow down targets.. I almost never use it though.

I've pretty well long given up doing group content as most will just tell me I am trash and not bother to help, or the ones I ask for help just tell me to google it or throw a bunch of gear that I cannot get without already being good/skill stuff from pvp which I am also no good at... Several have outright said 'go magsorc', and a few have told me to just reroll as something else since I am 'useless' at my current class. I really appreciate you willing to take a look at this mess and not be a jerk about it. I love this character and her being stuck as my crafter/thief and mats gatherer is sad when I -want- to be able to go do group content confidently and do stuff with my friends.

Edited to add:

I don't queue for vet. I feel garbo as it is for normal mode, and have no idea how people can get such high numbers. Every time I hear what looks like a high number to me, I feel even more trash about playing... as that eventuality of MAYBE getting to do vet stuff and trials gets moved further and further away... along with making new pve friends, getting the rewards like furnishing items, skins, motifs, personalities, etc. I have actually been kicked from NORMAL dungeons for saying "Hi! I haven't done this one before, can we do the quest?" or "Hi! I don't know this dungeon, this is my first time here."

I used to raid in another game. I know not to stand in stupid. I can follow directions for mechanics and appreciate anyone that can instruct me on them. I know to only queue for the role I can/am willing to play. I know not to jump ahead of the tank or make things hard on the healer. I'm not a jerk in group chat... rude people and trash talk really stresses me out, so I avoid that entirely (and have dropped groups that do it in the past).

I once joined a PVE guild that claimed to help people... but was totally lost in the roster and did not get any assistance or get to do any pve stuff with them. I left after two months, realizing I had no connection to anyone there and that my requests for assistance were getting ignored.

If you are on EU, feel free to roll in dungeons with me, I'm levelling a healer and I'm happy to play with anyone.
My tag is @AH93, that's if you're on EU PC.

Oathunbound

The one thing that irks me is when peoples response to people complaining about the dungeon finder is to form your own group with friends or guildies, then why even have a dungeon finder at all?

I never call out people who are pulling abysmal dps or using a non meta build/rotation, but i have noticed as of late the quality of dps chars from the dungeon finder as gotten worse after summerset. Granted before it was a flux between really good dps, crap dps, and ok dps but as of late its just really low dps AND people who are totally unaware of mechanics even after I explain them or someone else tells them what the need to do. I have a good endgame dps setup but i also have a good tank set and skills so i can get faster ques (legit tanking not fake tanking) and you really feel the pain when the group is lacking in dps from a tanks/healer POV.

I'm not sure what is going on but i just plain stopped doing pledges since i don't need any helms or shoulders but i cant help but wonder what has shifted so much that people are just getting less out of their characters. Also people who immediately claim that people are tryhards/meta freaks without looking at what they are doing at all is just as toxic as the tryhard/meta freaks. If your in a dungeon doing only 5k dps and are ignoring even the most basic of advice then i have little hope of ever using the group finder again.

(this doesn't apply to basic vet dungeons most of the time, its the fact that ill never use the group finder for vet dlc dungeons cause i don't have 3 hours to deal with pugs)

Seri

Oathunbound wrote: »

I never call out people who are pulling abysmal dps or using a non meta build/rotation, but i have noticed as of late the quality of dps chars from the dungeon finder as gotten worse after summerset. Granted before it was a flux between really good dps, crap dps, and ok dps but as of late its just really low dps AND people who are totally unaware of mechanics even after I explain them or someone else tells them what the need to do. I have a good endgame dps setup but i also have a good tank set and skills so i can get faster ques (legit tanking not fake tanking) and you really feel the pain when the group is lacking in dps from a tanks/healer POV.

I'm not sure what is going on but i just plain stopped doing pledges since i don't need any helms or shoulders but i cant help but wonder what has shifted so much that people are just getting less out of their characters. Also people who immediately claim that people are tryhards/meta freaks without looking at what they are doing at all is just as toxic as the tryhard/meta freaks. If your in a dungeon doing only 5k dps and are ignoring even the most basic of advice then i have little hope of ever using the group finder again.

I feel this thread basically sums up the answers to your questions - the mid-high dps players (or proper tanks and healers) get told to stop using the group finder if they're unhappy with people doing low dps, fake tanks, or fake healers.

nursingninja

Thats dungeon finder. Sometimes you have to roll with the window lickers. No way around it.

Ri_Khan

It seems to me the match-making system needs a filter that separates players that're running the content for the first or second time from players that have done it dozens of times.

GarnetFire17

Jerks are usually in denial that they are jerks. And jerks aren't just the elitists either, many of the bad players in PUGs are jerks too as they will blame other players. Either way it's not okay. It's not okay for either que up in vet really. If you haven't practiced in normal a handful of times to practice the mechanics if you haven't worked on build to be decent enough have a shot to finishing the dungeon you shouldn't be queing Vet. And on the other end, if you aren't prepared to carry players or teach mechanics, or handle salt and egos and not bet salty yourself, and be ready to politely bow out because it's taking way more time than you think it should or just be willing to spend a long time in the dungeon, you should not be queing either. But straight up kicking people is BS. I would rather explain politely to the person in question why they are not ready and convince that person to leave voluntarily with some dignity. And if not I would do so. PUGlife means you should know you are signing up for a bunch of stuff you probably aren't going to like. Because no matter what people SHOULD do or how much complaining anyone does, you are still going to find this stuff when you PUG because people do what they want. PUGGing is best suit for Chill people. And when I mean Chill I mean you aren't likely to come on the ESO forums to post a rant about other players lol.

LadyNalcarya

Seri wrote: »

Oathunbound wrote: »

I never call out people who are pulling abysmal dps or using a non meta build/rotation, but i have noticed as of late the quality of dps chars from the dungeon finder as gotten worse after summerset. Granted before it was a flux between really good dps, crap dps, and ok dps but as of late its just really low dps AND people who are totally unaware of mechanics even after I explain them or someone else tells them what the need to do. I have a good endgame dps setup but i also have a good tank set and skills so i can get faster ques (legit tanking not fake tanking) and you really feel the pain when the group is lacking in dps from a tanks/healer POV.

I'm not sure what is going on but i just plain stopped doing pledges since i don't need any helms or shoulders but i cant help but wonder what has shifted so much that people are just getting less out of their characters. Also people who immediately claim that people are tryhards/meta freaks without looking at what they are doing at all is just as toxic as the tryhard/meta freaks. If your in a dungeon doing only 5k dps and are ignoring even the most basic of advice then i have little hope of ever using the group finder again.

I feel this thread basically sums up the answers to your questions - the mid-high dps players (or proper tanks and healers) get told to stop using the group finder if they're unhappy with people doing low dps, fake tanks, or fake healers.

And then people complain that there's not enough legit tanks and healers.
Yeah of course and it will be even worse if people continue promoting toxicity and dividing the community based on some superstitious nonsense and prejudice.

Astralura

You know what I'm sick of? People verbally abusing low CPs. Many people play this game to have a good time, with friends, guildmates, even strangers and so called 'casuals' are more numerous than you seem to think. It's not a *** us vs. them situation. I've copped *** from elitists as a low CP even when I've done the research, I've practiced, I've done the best I can do to get to an acceptable standard. That's not the issue. The issue is the attitude and absolute joke that is the pro gaming mindset.

You don't need to educate people, that's not your job. If you do, good on you and thankyou, if you choose not to, don't abuse people. It's simple.

If you pug as a high CP and roll a low level group, don't blame it on the players. It's literally not their fault.

So yeah. *** this attitude I'm sick of it.

Edit:

I forgot to mention this, but I do agree that in the instance where you were getting told off for not doing a good enough job, the other players may have been unfair, but that's really not a fair example. Jerks are jerks, and jerks should not be the prime example of a group of players. I also think that learning to play PVE is important but the resources are simply not as easily accessible to many people.

ceil420

Astralura wrote: »

You know what I'm sick of? People verbally abusing low CPs. Many people play this game to have a good time, with friends, guildmates, even strangers and so called 'casuals' are more numerous than you seem to think. It's not a *** us vs. them situation. I've copped *** from elitists as a low CP even when I've done the research, I've practiced, I've done the best I can do to get to an acceptable standard. That's not the issue. The issue is the attitude and absolute joke that is the pro gaming mindset.

You don't need to educate people, that's not your job. If you do, good on you and thankyou, if you choose not to, don't abuse people. It's simple.

If you pug as a high CP and roll a low level group, don't blame it on the players. It's literally not their fault.

So yeah. *** this attitude I'm sick of it.

Bold for emphasis. Constructive criticism is nice when it happens, but not a requirement. The least you can do, however, is not be an ass about someone that you deem to be underperforming. If you really can't get through a Dungeon with a particular player or two, just leave. You don't need to berate them or cast shade on their mothers or tell them to uninstall themselves from life or whatever the kids say these days.

I see new people in this game all the time (low level, no CP), so there is still presumably an influx of players doing Vet Dungeons for the first time. They may be able to run the Normals flawlessly, and be dipping their toes in the Vet level for the first time. That threshold needs to be crossed eventually, and their first shot may not be perfect. Toxicity to such a player will, at best, be met with indifference. At worst, they could either give no effs and start deliberately trolling you, or give up entirely, and the PvE community loses what could have been another valuable player to queue with had they been given a chance. You don't need to hold their hand and coddle them, but you can at least respect them as a fellow player in this game that you presumably enjoy.

I'm not telling the better players not to PuG - that hurts the community at least as much as chasing away the poor newbie that could have been great after finishing a run or three. I'm just asking that if you do PuG, that you anticipate that this is something that you're going to come across in the game, and to not lose your cool when it happens. If it's indeed something that you simply cannot handle, then yeah, perhaps you should just queue in with friends/guildies/known elements to do your pledges or grind for gear or whatever.

nursingninja

I remember when I was a new DPS and the tank left after the first boss fight. He said the DPS was horrible and that he was leaving. He kindly advised we google ESO dps builds and pick one we like before queuing again.

I did as he said and appreciate that he took the time to type that out. I'm not a rockstar YouTube build as those tend to get nerfed. But by getting inspiration from published builds I was able to learn the mechanics I didnt know and not suck anymore.

So sometimes straight talk is what people need.

Guppet

nursingninja wrote: »

I remember when I was a new DPS and the tank left after the first boss fight. He said the DPS was horrible and that he was leaving. He kindly advised we google ESO dps builds and pick one we like before queuing again.

I did as he said and appreciate that he took the time to type that out. I'm not a rockstar YouTube build as those tend to get nerfed. But by getting inspiration from published builds I was able to learn the mechanics I didnt know and not suck anymore.

So sometimes straight talk is what people need.

This just makes me think some poor sod will see the actual rockstar build that often gets mentioned here.

The rockstar build will never get nerfed, it’s a truly terrible build, created as a mocking of how bad some players are.

kind_hero

Simple reminder: veteran dungeons are not for casuals.

That is why are called veteran and scaled for higher damage/performance.

If you don't have what it takes, there are normal dungeons for you, same content, but scaled down.

This is no elitism, it is how games are designed, with different difficulty levels in mind.

I don't like the type of players who want to be carried through content, be offered boosts and flashy titles or skins, that they can't work for on their own. This type of players will always complain, cause drama, work against others, and call you names when you want to help them with their game. So the OP is right.

Agenericname

kind_hero wrote: »

Simple reminder: veteran dungeons are not for casuals.

That is why are called veteran and scaled for higher damage/performance.

If you don't have what it takes, there are normal dungeons for you, same content, but scaled down.

This is no elitism, it is how games are designed, with different difficulty levels in mind.

I don't like the type of players who want to be carried through content, be offered boosts and flashy titles or skins, that they can't work for on their own. This type of players will always complain, cause drama, work against others, and call you names when you want to help them with their game. So the OP is right.

What makes the post turn toward elitism isn't that the OP, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't want to play with another player for whatever reason. If you want to play with folks who clear content faster and more efficiently, that's great. When the comment "I'm not going to be criticized by a bunch of casuals" was made it set that tone.

The filter I tend to view this through is, is it constructive or is it divisive? If it's constructive I usually listen. Another point of view isn't a bad thing. If it's divisive I assume that it lacks objectivity since whomever communicated it probably meant to simply insult another player and therefore likely emotion based.

Anti_Virus

We need a dps metric window that you can pull up during dungeons and trials.

Chrysa1is

I feel like this is an elitist thread

DenMoria

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I feel like this is an elitist thread

If it is, it's a lot milder than most. Besides, there are only 14 pages at the moment, it usually takes at least 18 before the elitists take over!

antoniotf5

tl;dr if you don't have above 30k dps you get kicked

Iselin

kind_hero wrote: »

Simple reminder: veteran dungeons are not for casuals.

That is why are called veteran and scaled for higher damage/performance.

If you don't have what it takes, there are normal dungeons for you, same content, but scaled down.

This is no elitism, it is how games are designed, with different difficulty levels in mind.

I don't like the type of players who want to be carried through content, be offered boosts and flashy titles or skins, that they can't work for on their own. This type of players will always complain, cause drama, work against others, and call you names when you want to help them with their game. So the OP is right.

True enough but the game is designed so that the one piece of the 5-5-2 gearing meta, the monster mask, requires vet dungeons. It's inevitable that CP160 players who are in no way as capable or experienced as the rest of us with 1,000+ CP, will need to do those vet dungeons.

That's where tolerance and some empathy based on the times when you yourself were that lowbee comes in. Vet is not just a playground for the fully geared elite.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

peeps need to start doing what i heard some peeps are doing, that is remembering those who kick for those things and when they join them again they put a vote in and say in group what they did last time

Guppet

Iselin wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

Simple reminder: veteran dungeons are not for casuals.

That is why are called veteran and scaled for higher damage/performance.

If you don't have what it takes, there are normal dungeons for you, same content, but scaled down.

This is no elitism, it is how games are designed, with different difficulty levels in mind.

I don't like the type of players who want to be carried through content, be offered boosts and flashy titles or skins, that they can't work for on their own. This type of players will always complain, cause drama, work against others, and call you names when you want to help them with their game. So the OP is right.

True enough but the game is designed so that the one piece of the 5-5-2 gearing meta, the monster mask, requires vet dungeons. It's inevitable that CP160 players who are in no way as capable or experienced as the rest of us with 1,000+ CP, will need to do those vet dungeons.

That's where tolerance and some empathy based on the times when you yourself were that lowbee comes in. Vet is not just a playground for the fully geared elite.

That’s exactly why normals should have a chance to drop monster helms in blue.

Helms are why people do vets when not capable. Make it no longer the only place to get them and then those in vets will be far more likely to be capable. It would actually improve the quality of the groups.

bjsaustrwb17_ESO

Yep, at some point if you want the monster helm, you need to step into a vet for the first time.

I think some people are forgetting that with Summerset a number of new people will have started playing. Anyone claiming that all DPS should be able to do pull 30k+ dps are forgetting that some of these low CP folks will only have a few weeks under their belt. Maybe they're queuing for vets because the game told them they could. Maybe they did google builds and they're trying to get the gear the build said they need.

You playing a new class with 4 years of ESO experience behind you, is not the same as a brand new player with weeks of experience...

AbysmalGhul

^ maybe

Anti_Virus wrote: »

We need a dps metric window that you can pull up during dungeons and trials.

No thank you. The game would become very toxic and elitist

Mirrrr

idk wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I just read the first few sentences of OP long statement since is was rather long.

I can state his title is pretty wrong since I have seen low CP players out dps most CP capped players I have found in random GF groups.

OP is correct we find low DPS players in random groups and it was that way before CP was introduced. However he is incorrect that it is because of CP since it is mostly due to skill level.

I like to do random dungeons on a healer because I can out dps most groups I find in random groups and still keep hots and such rolling. It goes a long way to the group being successful.

Maybe read the whole thread instead of saying "I read a few sentences, OP is wrong"

to long. Maybe get to the point as it is not that complicated of a subject.

But again, the title is wrong. People do not kick others because they have low CP. They kick low CP because the person doing the kicking lacks a basic understanding of the game.

The best example I have happpened this week. My friend 750cp was leveling up his sorc l49. He queued for a dungeon. Gets in normal WGT. They group is at final boss. They actually made him go through the whole dungeon. (anybody who does wgt a lot knows the portal is useless there, you need at least run through there for 5 min and that's only if you are lucky and the group killed everything. If not you have to burn yourself to an endless wave of trash)
He arrives, gets votekicked.
Sorry but if you do that you purely kick for level. And imo that's abusing the kicksystem.