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I don't mean to stir the pot intentionally, but I'm going to do it anyway.

My theory on them matter, is that this is all quite intentional from ZOS.

Ever since the announcement of JC in Summerset there have been weekly threads popping up about JC being P2W. Sorry, but if you can't beat the likes of me in a dual, or PvP, because of my gold necklace... maybe PvP just isn't your thing then. That's the sad and rough reality of it.

Then right after that, people complained about having spent 100,000s of gold and AP on gold vendors... And that this JC is all so unfair!!! Etc.

Anyway, ZOS probably anticipated all this boo-hoo'ing and deliberately developed the JC system to give very poor returns. Oh, it's no oversight hirelings were not implemented. And because ZOS doesn't want to upset the likes of "WheresMyNecro420"... We get a sub-par crafting line here.

I also don't believe that anyone is looking for a bag of shinies to be dropped on them either. Or to have a character in full gold jewels within a week. But the ability to achieve constant progress would be appreciated. At least feel like you're making progress at the very least.


TL/DR: ZOS anticipated all the boo-hoo'ing, then deliberately created a sub-par crafting system that will have minimal return on effort in order to cater to those who were going to complain. Endlessly.

Just my theory as to why JC is in the state it's in.

redspecter23 wrote: »

I believe that almost all the aspects are intentional. The 10x mat cost, lack of hirelings and poorly implemented master writs. I do believe these were thought out and implemented as is on purpose. The one that I'm still unsure of is the drop chance for gold mats from writs. Sure, it could be intentional and I'd believe that ZOS could do that, but without any comment on the matter, I have to assume for now that it's a bug they still do not know about. That's why this thread is important. So that ZOS can see that people are seeing this issue and they need to be aware of it and look into it if it is not working as intended.

If master writs were done on purpose like that, and not just lazily copy-pasted from Alchemy ones, then they were an extremely short-sighted design decision.

I've now done one normal jewelry writ. I'm not going to do another.

Unless/until there are more nodes for the mats, and the rewards are a improved quite a bit, it really isn't worth it. Whether its the drop/spawn rates, or because so many people are farming I have gone hours without finding a single seam. I'm not going to mention getting the "tempers" or platings or whatever they're called.

The research is about the only thing I'll be doing, and that will be as I find or trade with guildies to get the traits. Getting the trait mats is another pain.

JKorr wrote: »

I've now done one normal jewelry writ. I'm not going to do another.

Unless/until there are more nodes for the mats, and the rewards are a improved quite a bit, it really isn't worth it. Whether its the drop/spawn rates, or because so many people are farming I have gone hours without finding a single seam. I'm not going to mention getting the "tempers" or platings or whatever they're called.

The research is about the only thing I'll be doing, and that will be as I find or trade with guildies to get the traits. Getting the trait mats is another pain.

The node situation can be solved if you notice the patterns and farm appropriately. Notice the respawn times on nodes, ore specifically, and set up a loop, not a straight path through your farming zone. If you create a loop that is exactly as long as the respawn on the nodes, you will run up to the node exactly as it spawns every time. This essentially eliminates anyone else from "stealing" your nodes as they would have to be standing right on top of them and also ensures that nobody cherry picks the seams specifically, setting you up for about 50% seams throughout your run. If you're on PC/NA, give me a shout @redspecter23 in game and I'll show you what I'm talking about.

honestly, at this point I don't even care if JC is profitable. I would just like to you know.. at least break even? this is the level of desperation I'm reaching here.

I just want to be able to get that gold jewelry achievement done sometime in this life time. I'd like to be able to craft more then a single ancestral clock. I've been getting more sketches lately, I would really appreciate it if i could get some actual use out of them.

is that honestly too much to ask?

Fix bugged droprates please ^

I know someone who got a master writ for 100 vouchers to craft a gold necklace.
Only good for the trash can

ssorgatem wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I believe that almost all the aspects are intentional. The 10x mat cost, lack of hirelings and poorly implemented master writs. I do believe these were thought out and implemented as is on purpose. The one that I'm still unsure of is the drop chance for gold mats from writs. Sure, it could be intentional and I'd believe that ZOS could do that, but without any comment on the matter, I have to assume for now that it's a bug they still do not know about. That's why this thread is important. So that ZOS can see that people are seeing this issue and they need to be aware of it and look into it if it is not working as intended.

If master writs were done on purpose like that, and not just lazily copy-pasted from Alchemy ones, then they were an extremely short-sighted design decision.

This.

It is more than obvious that someone forgot to add a few variables when they copied the Alchemy crafting code over, and did a Replace All on the word "Alchemy" with "Jewelry". Inspiration gains on dailies are more than enough to make it quite obvious that this was a botched copy/paste operation.

Still no fix noted in the patch notes today. Any chance of a comment on the issue, ZOS?

Been doing writs on like 7 characters since Summerset launch on console. Haven't gotten much of anything other than an ornate/intricate ring/neck, a couple surveys, and a shipment of lower level mats.

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

So have you researched every trait? got points in every passive in the JC tree? if not then stop complaining. You're a long way from gold drops so be thankful you got any at all.

I don't think you fully understand the issue that is being discussed here. JC writs do not reward in a similar way to wood, cloth or blacksmithing. Because of this difference, it's assumed to be bugged. It's a very legitimate concern.

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

So have you researched every trait? got points in every passive in the JC tree? if not then stop complaining. You're a long way from gold drops so be thankful you got any at all.

I don't think you fully understand the issue that is being discussed here. JC writs do not reward in a similar way to wood, cloth or blacksmithing. Because of this difference, it's assumed to be bugged. It's a very legitimate concern.

Rewards are based on the completeness of ones knowledge in the field. If you have JC @lv50 and no traits researched youre really no better off than being JClv5 with 2 traits researched ( no data for exact comparison). So yes, I understand.

The rewards for trait knowledge is only how often MW drops, not how often the legendary grains / tempers drop

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

there's what they say and then there's what actually happens.

only a fool would trust anything coming out of these liars and scoundrels mouths.

I'm going to agree with Teemo on this. I've done thousands of max tier writs for all crafts. That's a huge sample size. I also know that Teemo has done at least that many and probably more. We speak from experience with the system. You are unfortunately very misinformed about how the system works. If you also have thousands of max tier writs done, please feel free to mention that as your data point.

Logicbomb00 wrote: »

yeah im just going on what my JC results have been so far. Im in no way relating them to any of the 1000's upon 1000's of max tier writs I've done (been doing since release on 15 alts). These other crafts have nothing to do with JC and should never be related against each other.

the way I'VE seen JC work, is that as a necessity due to gold restrictions, I've had to stagger my research and levelling. So far I have 5 max JC and 10 at alternate levels. So i'd say a better sample size that someone with 15 full JC's. I can see the diff. The more research done the more I seem to get purple / gold upgrade mats. It's just how it seems to be.

Please feel free to add your data then. How many gold tempers have you received from your max tier writs? How many from lower tier JC writs?

Out of my hundreds so far, I've received 1 from a top tier writ and 2 from tier one writs. This is about 1% from my top tier writs and probably about 0.5% from my tier 1 writs. If you're seeing closer to 30% from your top tier JC writs, then I'm definitely missing something.