Why is Sload's still not nerfed?
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.Edited by Sharee on May 31, 2018 9:21PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.0 -
Blobsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.
Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is notYt Channell: Blobsky
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.
Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not
while that is true, oblivion damage absolutely does not scale with anything, while bleeds do scale with cp,weapon damage, sets like blood drinker or master dw, crits and crit multipliers.
While I do not like both, There is really no difference for a stamina player between getting hit by oblivion damage or a bleed, Both are only counterable by extreme healing, or purge. And I would say unless you have major protection, bleeds are muuuch much worse for a stamina Dk or stamina sorcerer because they can not possibly mitigate that at all, while stamblade,stamplar and stamden has options to delay their inevitable death against this cheese.
And again, sloads does like 5-6k(don't remember the exact tooltip) damage which is pretty much the same thing as getting tagged by a 2h passive bleed for me. Its really not a massive amount.Edited by Ragnarock41 on May 31, 2018 9:47PM1 -
Oxalias✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
I've been trying to think of a solution, and something I thought of was; Why not have a limit on the dots a player can have on them at a time? And get rid of zaans, that *** is stupid.Edited by Oxalias on May 31, 2018 9:53PM1 -
Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭As a medium armor stamina templar I welcome our new sload overlords. I've seen this on recaps a few times now, and mostly in situations where I would have died at least 1.4 seconds faster to any other commonly used proc set.1 -
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Blobsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.
Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not
while that is true, oblivion damage absolutely does not scale with anything, while bleeds do scale with cp,weapon damage, sets like blood drinker or master dw, crits and crit multipliers.
While I do not like both, There is really no difference for a stamina player between getting hit by oblivion damage or a bleed, Both are only counterable by extreme healing, or purge. And I would say unless you have major protection, bleeds are muuuch much worse for a stamina Dk or stamina sorcerer because they can not possibly mitigate that at all, while stamblade,stamplar and stamden has options to delay their inevitable death against this cheese.
And again, sloads does like 5-6k(don't remember the exact tooltip) damage which is pretty much the same thing as getting tagged by a 2h passive bleed for me. Its really not a massive amount.
Bleeds are also reduced by CP, mitigating sets, negative effects etc. Don't get me wrong, they are ridiculous tooYt Channell: Blobsky
DC EU Nightblade
Owner of 'The Travelling Merchant' - Craglorn trade guild since near release!3 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?1 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap5 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
Edited by Gilvoth on June 1, 2018 12:29AM1 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
Pruge Sload's, it applies 6 seconds later. Potions wouldn't be much help.
I can't slot purge as a heavy stamblade, I already have 4 magicka abilities. I also run 4 healing abilities and blood Spawn. Sload's still outperforms my defenses.2 -
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE2 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
I’m pretty sure you could run assassins guile with that setup and be just as nasty *shrug*https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
ok purge yes possibly valid, building defensively no, this set ignores defenses. the only way to defend against this set is more health
but to get more health you dont have to just switch a couple things, it means redoing your entire build and we already know sorcs dont benefit well from heavy armor1 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
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im dying now here to single player from which I wasnt dying because they just cut off my main defense and I have no any counter to even try survive here, is this balanced for you?
Stam NB is a very bursty class. You should have the other guy dead before his slow-acting sload could do any meaningful damage to you. It sounds to me like you just got too used to the ease cloak allowed you to run from fights that didn't go your way. Well...
My most played character is a mDK. You can guess how ofter I get to run from fights that don't go my way. Sload or not.
I think your being too narrow minded about sloads. Not every fight is a 1v1. I'm a mageblade. If I get jumped by 2 guys wearing sloads with oblivion weapon enchants don't I deserve to have a fighting chance or at least the ability to cloak away and survive? In its current form the answer is no and this exact scenario happened to me multiple times on Monday.
I think sloads s manageable in 1v1. Although, I question that an amor set should inherently be doing 6k damage by itself with so much dependent ease. However, I think the problem is compounded because soooooo many ball groups are wearing it now as the extreme meta.Edited by LegacyDM on June 1, 2018 3:27AMLegacy of Kain
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Oxalias✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE
He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:
Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability. Why should everyone have to gimp themselves, cause everyone is running around with zaans, and sloads. Plus the other dots. I don't even think you can purge zaans. What a joke.
If resistances and blocking isn't going to count towards reducing damage taken, then zos, just give everyone a massive amount of health lol. (Just joking, that would ruin the other functioning elements of the game)
It's all cause Zos wants to get as many players to buy their newest content. (That's just my speculation) Well how else would they allow such broken sets into the game?
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im dying now here to single player from which I wasnt dying because they just cut off my main defense and I have no any counter to even try survive here, is this balanced for you?
Stam NB is a very bursty class. You should have the other guy dead before his slow-acting sload could do any meaningful damage to you. It sounds to me like you just got too used to the ease cloak allowed you to run from fights that didn't go your way. Well...
My most played character is a mDK. You can guess how ofter I get to run from fights that don't go my way. Sload or not.
I think your being too narrow minded about sloads. Not every fight is a 1v1. I'm a mageblade. If I get jumped by 2 guys wearing sloads with oblivion weapon enchants don't I deserve to have a fighting chance or at least the ability to cloak away and survive? In its current form the answer is no and this exact scenario happened to me multiple times on Monday.
I think sloads s manageable in 1v1. Although, I question that an amor set should inherently be doing 6k damage by itself with so much dependent ease. However, I think the problem is compounded because soooooo many ball groups are wearing it now as the extreme meta.
Unfortunately no, sadly there is a large percentage of the community that wishes for sorcs and nbs to just fall over and die for them
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE
He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:
Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.
thats if you are being attacked by multiple D.O.T.s and curses and attacks and sloads.
that means you are trying to fight a group of people and that has nothing to do with sloads nor purge, that means you are now fighting 3 or more people.
in that case, fighting a group or groups or several people are targeting you out specificly, means you will probably die no matter what is hitting you, and that is more realistic.
the mention of using purge is meant for small 1 v 1 fights or 1 v 2 fights. any more enemies then that and purge is not going to save you.
Unless you are = as in Zerg against Zerg or a fair group against Group, in that case "yes" purge will work cause you have a moment to cleanse yourself of those dot's and take a breather hide within your goup or Zerg, and heal and purge 1 or 2 times. and maybe even a 3rd time if you can allow your magicka a moment to recover.
Edited by Gilvoth on June 1, 2018 3:43AM0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.
Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not
I hear this argument a lot and frankly its bs. Yes, oblivion damage is not reduced by battle spirit, but that is only because it is reduced to begin with. I mean, compare oblivion glyph to a poison glyph.
The whole point of battle spirit is to reduce the insane damage which is needed to beat PvE encounters, so the same abilities can be used for PvP without players oneshotting each other.
However oblivion is a damage type which is obviously meant to be primarily used in PvP(lower damage so useless in trials, but bypasses defenses typically used by players). So ZOS set its base damage to a desired PvP values, eliminating the need for battle spirit reduction.1 -
Jaavaa✭✭✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
I think it was clearly enough at my post. The Game allows to much Dot Pressure with this Set and other combinations. The balance is since years a problem. First the block was to strong, then the heals was to strong, now the dot pressure is to strong.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
I think it was clearly enough at my post. The Game allows to much Dot Pressure with this Set and other combinations. The balance is since years a problem. First the block was to strong, then the heals was to strong, now the dot pressure is to strong.
Yes, but if you replaced sload in your setup with something else, the result would most likely be the same. That's what i meant. So it is hardly a proof of sload overperforming:I’m pretty sure you could run assassins guile with that setup and be just as nasty *shrug*Edited by Sharee on June 1, 2018 6:33AM0 -
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✭yes, thats exatly this @Oxaliasdwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE
He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:
Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.
thats if you are being attacked by multiple D.O.T.s and curses and attacks and sloads.
that means you are trying to fight a group of people and that has nothing to do with sloads nor purge, that means you are now fighting 3 or more people.
in that case, fighting a group or groups or several people are targeting you out specificly, means you will probably die no matter what is hitting you, and that is more realistic.
the mention of using purge is meant for small 1 v 1 fights or 1 v 2 fights. any more enemies then that and purge is not going to save you.
Unless you are = as in Zerg against Zerg or a fair group against Group, in that case "yes" purge will work cause you have a moment to cleanse yourself of those dot's and take a breather hide within your goup or Zerg, and heal and purge 1 or 2 times. and maybe even a 3rd time if you can allow your magicka a moment to recover.
nope not always..can agrtee only if you have more sloads on you but about only dots...well we have build on pvp where on sole you will stack to 5 different dots
1) rending slashes
2) dual wield passive axe bleed proc
3) poison inject
4) 1st poison proc from weapon poison
5) 2n poison proc from weapon poison (yes if people running with wepaon poisons for jsut DOT they have 2 poisons at once from single)
this we have basic dots easy to get and very very often and also 6th dot - poisoned status
and dont forget about possibility to 7th and 8th dot from proc sets
this is all possible from only stam build but can achieve similiar number of dots also from magica build
1st can change to destro touch avaible for all
poisoned status effect dot can change to burning
2nd, 3rd and can add additional 2 depending on class dot we start going to class dots
every class except I think sorc have atlest this 1-2 class dots (for sorc we can talk about curse instead of dot viable to purge)
and I think we can easility add more than 2 class dots at magdk
so in most cases even single player can easilty give you 4-5 different dots from only skills, without proc sets but here are goin ofc proc sets with additional dot - sload
so how you are supposed to purge only sload whiel you have atlest 4 dots on you if not more and with it many other debuffs like jsut main, defile, reduced resists etc whcih also can be purged by rng before sload
EDIT: tl;dr
you dont need face more than 1 player to get dotfest on you where purge is just useless if you want to purge only 1 dot because with rest you can deal until you get this one most brokenEdited by Edziu on June 1, 2018 9:57AM2 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.
Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not
I hear this argument a lot and frankly its bs. Yes, oblivion damage is not reduced by battle spirit, but that is only because it is reduced to begin with. I mean, compare oblivion glyph to a poison glyph.
The whole point of battle spirit is to reduce the insane damage which is needed to beat PvE encounters, so the same abilities can be used for PvP without players oneshotting each other.
However oblivion is a damage type which is obviously meant to be primarily used in PvP(lower damage so useless in trials, but bypasses defenses typically used by players). So ZOS set its base damage to a desired PvP values, eliminating the need for battle spirit reduction.
not reduced enough, compared to the normal damage i get hit for oblivion is always higher0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Anyone who is defending this clearly broken set was most likely big defender of broken batswarm on launch, magicka detonation one shotting 20 ppl, op eyes of fire, ground oils and all that similar broken stuff we are served on regular basis. One broken crap is fixed and another one pops out to take its place. And theres always bunch of baddies that need to be carried by bad design broken skill/set with usual idiotic arguments to defend it.2
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JPcrazysquirrel3✭✭✭✭Anyone who is defending this clearly broken set was most likely big defender of broken batswarm on launch, magicka detonation one shotting 20 ppl, op eyes of fire, ground oils and all that similar broken stuff we are served on regular basis. One broken crap is fixed and another one pops out to take its place. And theres always bunch of baddies that need to be carried by bad design broken skill/set with usual idiotic arguments to defend it.
Your fallacy is that those things were actually broken. Sloads is not. Sloads will really only fit with certain builds, since it contributes nothing to self-defence and only makes you more of a glass cannon. Also, I know you don't want to believe it, but Sloads can be avoided and/or mitigated, as other people have tested."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves."
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭yes, thats exatly this @Oxaliasdwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?
we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?
we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap
the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.
your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"
it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.
now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...
heres the link
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128
I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds
I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots
so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid
no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds
if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE
He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:
Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.
thats if you are being attacked by multiple D.O.T.s and curses and attacks and sloads.
that means you are trying to fight a group of people and that has nothing to do with sloads nor purge, that means you are now fighting 3 or more people.
in that case, fighting a group or groups or several people are targeting you out specificly, means you will probably die no matter what is hitting you, and that is more realistic.
the mention of using purge is meant for small 1 v 1 fights or 1 v 2 fights. any more enemies then that and purge is not going to save you.
Unless you are = as in Zerg against Zerg or a fair group against Group, in that case "yes" purge will work cause you have a moment to cleanse yourself of those dot's and take a breather hide within your goup or Zerg, and heal and purge 1 or 2 times. and maybe even a 3rd time if you can allow your magicka a moment to recover.
nope not always..can agrtee only if you have more sloads on you but about only dots...well we have build on pvp where on sole you will stack to 5 different dots
1) rending slashes
2) dual wield passive axe bleed proc
3) poison inject
4) 1st poison proc from weapon poison
5) 2n poison proc from weapon poison (yes if people running with wepaon poisons for jsut DOT they have 2 poisons at once from single)
this we have basic dots easy to get and very very often and also 6th dot - poisoned status
and dont forget about possibility to 7th and 8th dot from proc sets
this is all possible from only stam build but can achieve similiar number of dots also from magica build
1st can change to destro touch avaible for all
poisoned status effect dot can change to burning
2nd, 3rd and can add additional 2 depending on class dot we start going to class dots
every class except I think sorc have atlest this 1-2 class dots (for sorc we can talk about curse instead of dot viable to purge)
and I think we can easility add more than 2 class dots at magdk
so in most cases even single player can easilty give you 4-5 different dots from only skills, without proc sets but here are goin ofc proc sets with additional dot - sload
so how you are supposed to purge only sload whiel you have atlest 4 dots on you if not more and with it many other debuffs like jsut main, defile, reduced resists etc whcih also can be purged by rng before sload
EDIT: tl;dr
you dont need face more than 1 player to get dotfest on you where purge is just useless if you want to purge only 1 dot because with rest you can deal until you get this one most broken
i have seen and fought those type of builds before and yeas those are some Nasty builds, but i was still able to weave in during the fight a few purge casts and i was close to death but i won. sometimes i lost to it but it was fair sometimes as long as i could cast a few purges i did survive 50% of the time.
as long as i did not get a sloads screen i was ok. (kinda)0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
I've been trying to think of a solution, and something I thought of was; Why not have a limit on the dots a player can have on them at a time? And get rid of zaans, that *** is stupid.
That is not a good solution. Its not about how many different dots you have, its about how powerful those dots are.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B
5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.
Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?
That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.
people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.
Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not
while that is true, oblivion damage absolutely does not scale with anything, while bleeds do scale with cp,weapon damage, sets like blood drinker or master dw, crits and crit multipliers.
While I do not like both, There is really no difference for a stamina player between getting hit by oblivion damage or a bleed, Both are only counterable by extreme healing, or purge. And I would say unless you have major protection, bleeds are muuuch much worse for a stamina Dk or stamina sorcerer because they can not possibly mitigate that at all, while stamblade,stamplar and stamden has options to delay their inevitable death against this cheese.
And again, sloads does like 5-6k(don't remember the exact tooltip) damage which is pretty much the same thing as getting tagged by a 2h passive bleed for me. Its really not a massive amount.
Bleeds are also reduced by CP, mitigating sets, negative effects etc. Don't get me wrong, they are ridiculous too
Fair enough. You have a point. To be fair I'm just trying to raise awareness about bleeds and how the community reacts to oblivion damage while they're totally fine with bleeds for some reason.Edited by Ragnarock41 on June 1, 2018 6:02PM0 -
Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just to show how bad it is.....
Full Tank / Heal / Support Build with ability to cleanse over 5 effects whenever you like....
Just spammed to death with dots and each tick seems to apply sloads....so you just can never cleanse it....it's a perma debuff...
Edited by Troneon on June 1, 2018 8:36PMPC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything2