Sharee wrote: »

Jaavaa wrote: »

We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B

5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.

Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?

That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

Blobsky wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Jaavaa wrote: »

We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B

5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.

Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?

That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.

Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Jaavaa wrote: »

We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B

5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.

Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?

That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

people don't even understand the fact that bleeds are worse than oblivion damage for stamina users. Bleeds can crit, oblivion damage can not.

Bleeds are battlescaled, oblivion damage is not

while that is true, oblivion damage absolutely does not scale with anything, while bleeds do scale with cp,weapon damage, sets like blood drinker or master dw, crits and crit multipliers.

While I do not like both, There is really no difference for a stamina player between getting hit by oblivion damage or a bleed, Both are only counterable by extreme healing, or purge. And I would say unless you have major protection, bleeds are muuuch much worse for a stamina Dk or stamina sorcerer because they can not possibly mitigate that at all, while stamblade,stamplar and stamden has options to delay their inevitable death against this cheese.

And again, sloads does like 5-6k(don't remember the exact tooltip) damage which is pretty much the same thing as getting tagged by a 2h passive bleed for me. Its really not a massive amount.

Gravord wrote: »

So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?

ezio45 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?

we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?

we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap

Edziu wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?

we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?

we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap

the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.

your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"

it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.

now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...

heres the link

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128

I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds

I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots

so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid

no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds

if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE

Oxalias wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?

we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?

we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap

the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.

your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"

it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.

now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...

heres the link

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128

I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds

I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots

so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid

no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds

if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE

He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:

Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.

Sharee wrote: »

Jaavaa wrote: »

We are tested today a StamDK focused on Dots with this Set. Dual Wield, S&B

5x Sloads, 5x Viper, 2 Troll King, Race Orc. Rending Slashes, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Axes as Weapons (Bleed) Reverbating Bash (Major Defile) Minor Defile Poisons Dual Wield, Double Dot Poison S&B. Healing Reduced by 62%. If all dots are up, simple spam Ransack and Helicopter Finisher. Really good Heavy Armor Players can’t outheal this. But it’s okay if anyone think this Set is not broken. Not alone, but in combination with this other stuff it’s simple broken.

Couldn't he outheal it because of sload, or because of rending slashes+noxious breath+venomous claw+axebleed+major defile+minor defile+double DOT poison?

That's like saying smoking is bad for your health if you smoke while jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

Edziu wrote: »

yes, thats exatly this @Oxalias

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Oxalias wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

So, 80% ppl i meet in bg now abuse this broken set, regardless of class or spec. Its ridiculous to the point where even full heal templars use it as it proc off their purify... How long untill this bs is toned down?

we have repeatedly tried to tell you guys how to defend against sloads.
if you refuse that help, then how can you claim it is bad?

we have repeatedly told you the flaws of those defenses and the fact that those defenses needs to be placed inorder to counter just one over preforming proc set in the first place is crap

the suggestions we are giving you to counter sloads set is ligitimate and correct and realistic.
especially if you want to survive easily and kill the person wearing sloads set.

your suggestion is unrealistic because you are refusing to build for defence and slot 1 skill, no, instead you guys are in refusal of accepting help.
so when i say "if you refuse that help and you refuse to slot purge and build better defenses, then how can you call sloads a bad set"??
the answer is "you cant"

it really is just simple, just slot purge and build some defences.

now there is another thread right now where the someone is requesting we are allowed to have "purge" potions and that might be a better answer for all of us!
because it would make both you and me happy in this situation ...

heres the link

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5186128#Comment_5186128

I still dont see your point behind luck like most of players here
as I also posted before but not sure in this thread, I tested to use purge and will say it snot worth..it only longer your existence by maybe 2-4 seconds

I had only 2-3 different dots+ other debuffs + sload on it
when I was lucky I get sload purge at 3rd cast and still had last dot on me becasue purge finally realised to purge sload before last other dot
if I wasnt lucky so mostly...even 4 purges dont help because having only 2-3 dots with sload is uncommon, if ikd how yue..but if I have sload on me I have also 4+ other dots on me + debuffs so again as I staded..its just mircale for me to get purged sload at even 3rd time where I have no more magica for cloak + with time spammindg purge I was still damaged by ones without healing myself...oh wait, have nothing more than vigor over 5 second and rally once per 10 seconds and ofc whiel spamming purge its also really rare to not get reapplied again some dots

so I will say again, your argument with purge for today meta is invalid

no, I dont refused to change some my build to counter it, really I tried it but in medium its just waste of magica and time to spam this purge, if I see this dot fest and sload it is just better now to let them kill you instead of extending your struggle to survive few more seconds

if we dont have DoT meta it could be optionw ith purge..but as for today its really just BIG NON-SENSE

He here is some back up evidence for what you are saying, when you are taking dots like this:

Then you would have to cast efficient purge probably 3 times, (Purge removes 2 effects) That's 15k magicka. Most stam players don't have that. And even magica players would struggle with coughing up that much magicka. It's ridiculous that people suggest that people have to run purge in the first place, that's a support ability.

thats if you are being attacked by multiple D.O.T.s and curses and attacks and sloads.
that means you are trying to fight a group of people and that has nothing to do with sloads nor purge, that means you are now fighting 3 or more people.
in that case, fighting a group or groups or several people are targeting you out specificly, means you will probably die no matter what is hitting you, and that is more realistic.

the mention of using purge is meant for small 1 v 1 fights or 1 v 2 fights. any more enemies then that and purge is not going to save you.
Unless you are = as in Zerg against Zerg or a fair group against Group, in that case "yes" purge will work cause you have a moment to cleanse yourself of those dot's and take a breather hide within your goup or Zerg, and heal and purge 1 or 2 times. and maybe even a 3rd time if you can allow your magicka a moment to recover.

nope not always..can agrtee only if you have more sloads on you but about only dots...well we have build on pvp where on sole you will stack to 5 different dots

1) rending slashes
2) dual wield passive axe bleed proc
3) poison inject
4) 1st poison proc from weapon poison
5) 2n poison proc from weapon poison (yes if people running with wepaon poisons for jsut DOT they have 2 poisons at once from single)
this we have basic dots easy to get and very very often and also 6th dot - poisoned status
and dont forget about possibility to 7th and 8th dot from proc sets

this is all possible from only stam build but can achieve similiar number of dots also from magica build

1st can change to destro touch avaible for all
poisoned status effect dot can change to burning
2nd, 3rd and can add additional 2 depending on class dot we start going to class dots
every class except I think sorc have atlest this 1-2 class dots (for sorc we can talk about curse instead of dot viable to purge)
and I think we can easility add more than 2 class dots at magdk

so in most cases even single player can easilty give you 4-5 different dots from only skills, without proc sets but here are goin ofc proc sets with additional dot - sload
so how you are supposed to purge only sload whiel you have atlest 4 dots on you if not more and with it many other debuffs like jsut main, defile, reduced resists etc whcih also can be purged by rng before sload

EDIT: tl;dr
you dont need face more than 1 player to get dotfest on you where purge is just useless if you want to purge only 1 dot because with rest you can deal until you get this one most broken