Werewolf Theorycrafting (PvP)

Aznox · May 2018

Yep, crafted some but didnt use it yet, nice little bonus.

Qbiken · May 2018

Haven´t got the recipe yet, RNG isn´t kind atm

IlCanis_LupuslI · May 2018

What does the new Buff food do anyway?

IlCanis_LupuslI · May 2018

P. S. im at 3.2k without it atm i feel its enough.. And im a argonian :-P wd is also around 5.5k
My Summerset bulld for stamina nb(lizard as race)
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=37501

Aztlan · May 2018

Qbiken · May 2018

Aztlan wrote: »

At the moment it doesn´t work with bone-pirate, so for anyone who planned to use this with BP i would wait until its fixed

Aznox · May 2018

Found a bug on werewolf heavy attack.

During my battlegrounds something felt wrong, missing damage, missing sustain, but couldn't pinpoint what at first.

It appears that you can't "queue" abilities during the heavy attack loading anymore.

If i use a skill during the windup, the heavy attack is instead canceled and the skill is fired immediately.

My heavy attack outside of werewolf continue to work as expected.

This bug has a huge impact on my performance since i can't perform any heavy attack weaving without consciously fighting against muscle memory and risking heavy attack to simply not happen by casting the skill too early.

Could you guys confirm you get the same bug ?

Qbiken · May 2018

Aznox wrote: »

Found a bug on werewolf heavy attack.

During my battlegrounds something felt wrong, missing damage, missing sustain, but couldn't pinpoint what at first.

It appears that you can't "queue" abilities during the heavy attack loading anymore.

If i use a skill during the windup, the heavy attack is instead canceled and the skill is fired immediately.

My heavy attack outside of werewolf continue to work as expected.

This bug has a huge impact on my performance since i can't perform any heavy attack weaving without consciously fighting against muscle memory and risking heavy attack to simply not happen by casting the skill too early.

Could you guys confirm you get the same bug ?

I get the same bug.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Please take a look into this

Aztlan · May 2018

Okay wolves, what are you thinking in terms of jewellery traits?

I'm a khajiit NB, currently running Troll King, Shacklebreaker, and Truth. I have all tri-glyphs on the armor and will soon be able to transmute my jewellery, which is currently traited Health, Health, Stamina. I was thinking of just going with 3 Triune. I could also go with a combination of Infused and Bloodthirsty, but I'm concerned about having a lower Stamina pool.

Qbiken · May 2018

Aztlan wrote: »

Okay wolves, what are you thinking in terms of jewellery traits?

I'm a khajiit NB, currently running Troll King, Shacklebreaker, and Truth. I have all tri-glyphs on the armor and will soon be able to transmute my jewellery, which is currently traited Health, Health, Stamina. I was thinking of just going with 3 Triune. I could also go with a combination of Infused and Bloodthirsty, but I'm concerned about having a lower Stamina pool.

Bloodthirsty isn´t worth it in my opinion. 10% extra damage against enemies below 25% (can´t remember if it was 20 or 25% HP) is not really that appealing. Your average enemy in Cyrodil will sit at around 25-26k HP, which means the trait will be "working" once your enemy drops below 6-7k HP. If an enemy drops that low against a werewolf, they should be dead anyway. I would rather go with infused, robust or triune.

IlCanis_LupuslI · June 2018

If the Werewolf woudnt be so expensive sigh.... Id wear this: 5xpelinals, 5x fury/2x kina stats @Ardicer

Aznox · June 2018

I tried Shacklebreaker + Kena + Clever Alchemist + infused potion cooldown reduction today ...

... i don't think Kena is reliable enough against high level players to be worth it.

Shackle + TK + CA was tanky but a bit low damage.

Will try to go from 5/1/1 to 1/5/1 with Shacklebreaker + Chudan + CA

Keep in mind i'm a Khajiit but for infused CA to be "very strong" with Argonian it would need to already be "strong" without.

Chrlynsch · June 2018

Aznox wrote: »

I tried Shacklebreaker + Kena + Clever Alchemist + infused potion cooldown reduction today ...

... i don't think Kena is reliable enough against high level players to be worth it.

Shackle + TK + CA was tanky but a bit low damage.

Will try to go from 5/1/1 to 1/5/1 with Shacklebreaker + Chudan + CA

Keep in mind i'm a Khajiit but for infused CA to be "very strong" with Argonian it would need to already be "strong" without.

For a little over a week I've been running my Monsterous Thirst Build. Kena + Pelinals + Clever Alchemist (infused potion cool down reduction). On my argonian templar. It is a blast, probably one of my favorite set ups to date as it is just plain fun and flexible. It is a solid set up in CP and No CP. I was going to see how shackelbreaker instead of pelinals would stack up however was hesitant on the lack of spelldamge on cooldown. The Synergy between Argonian and the pot cooldown is what makes this setup shine.

In human form I have also been running the new ability symbiosis this allows me to add more off healing to my group (I lead a pack of werewolves in pvp frequently). Also two symbiosis light attacks procs kena. Giving stronger heals and allows you to amp your damage before you engage. WARNING using this ability and leaving it toggled before werewolf transformation will make your light attacks bug out for both werewolf and symbiosis.

Happy Hunting!

WeylandLabs · June 2018

Threadcrafting is legit... lol I wait till the Class Reps balance stuff out.

Aznox · June 2018

Ran two BG today with @Qbiken and his support warden ... quite a game changer as a werewolf to have him behind you !

First game :
https://twitch.tv/videos/271614132?t=21m07s

Second game we randomly got teamed with @RouDeR for twice the werewolf fun (unfortunately Qbiken got stuck in a few loading screens) :
https://twitch.tv/videos/271614132?t=48m02s

Iduyenn · June 2018

I am Thinking of using something like Pelinal`s + Bone Pirate.
I am doing Werewolf on my Orc Templar atm.

With the new drink-Buff it seems quite interesting.
But somehow i am trying to ditch Pelinal`s and get more Reg... Would be better for my awsome Orc- life-reg.

Any ideas?

On my list:
- Ravaging (Though not ideal, because of proccs and Weapon Crit...)
- Hulking Love all that Stamina, but no regs and no defence
- Impregnable: I already have that set and it feels to defensive.

Aznox · June 2018

Iduyenn wrote: »

I am Thinking of using something like Pelinal`s + Bone Pirate.
I am doing Werewolf on my Orc Templar atm.

You need Weapon damage to get the most out of Pelinal, so maybe Bone Pirate or Hulking aren't the best choices, would still work.

With the new drink-Buff it seems quite interesting.
But somehow i am trying to ditch Pelinal`s and get more Reg... Would be better for my awsome Orc- life-reg.

The new drink buff doesn't work with Bone Pirate, maybe it will be fixed in a few months ...

Any ideas?

On my list:
- Ravaging (Though not ideal, because of proccs and Weapon Crit...)
- Hulking Love all that Stamina, but no regs and no defence
- Impregnable: I already have that set and it feels to defensive.

Troll King
Shacklebreaker
Sload
Seven Legion
Pelinal
Bone Pirate
Automaton
Chudan
Kena
Mechanical acuity
Zaan
...

You should got back a few pages in thread to get a few ideas

Iduyenn · June 2018

@Aznox
Ah, you got me. I was trying to be lazy and take a shortcut. I didn`t play for quite some time. (In my defence; It`s very hot in my cave and i found very little information post-patch. (exept in this thread).
Unfortunately i have many chars and no favourite setups... or at least none, that synergises well with werewolf.
(Atm i take things "easy" and "solo".

I was just thinking about leaving pellinal`s behind and go for livereg. (I know, that the drink doesn`t work yet... but perhaps tomorrow?

). But i also like the synergy with my class spells. (And the new psijic skills). So there is a min/max philosophical dilemma in there somewhere.

I was trying to find out, if it`s worth leaving Pelinal`s behind and go to full-regeneration mode. (Orgnum's Scales).
But then i realized, i would loose to much other stats. And if i choose to go no-cp, i will have to get critresistance...

I will find out, if there is a sound answer to that in the past pages

(Or if i have to craft my ***** off and sell my puppies for materials).

Iduyenn · June 2018

Ok, i am working on some ideas:

Battleground/No CP: (Not used to go there).

5 x Impregnable 3x Infused 4x Impen (= 3.2k Critresistance) + Prismatic glyphs.
5x Pellinal`s dualwield + 2h Axe or 1h shield.
Still asking myself if 5 heavy or 5 Medium...
Rings: Depending on what is missing (Weaponpower/Reg i go with either Triune or Infused... though i dont know yet.
Probabely 1x Infused + Weaponpower and 1 Triune + Magicka reg + 1 Infused + Staminareg. Though i fear, i have not enough reg.

Head + Shoulder: Not sure yet. I have lot of old sets, Trollking is missing, because i was away for a long time.

Normal PVP + CP:
5x Pellinal`s
5x Shacklebreaker
1 Kena + 1 Velidret (Or 2 Veli/Kena). (Or something with reg/heal)

I will try to craft and test some stuff out in the next days.

Oh... and i am Orc-Masterrace-Templar

Aznox · June 2018

5 x Impregnable 3x Infused 4x Impen (= 3.2k Critresistance) + Prismatic glyphs.

Why not, although i only would only run impregnable for full impen (in CP), or to open slots for Sturdy/Well-fitted which are much stronger traits than infused/divine in PvP (but not really useful for a werewolf)

5x Pellinal`s dualwield + 2h Axe or 1h shield.
Still asking myself if 5 heavy or 5 Medium...

Quite easy to switch between both to try them out, but overall i think medium is going to be a win-more and heavy is going to be needed against any sort of coordinated burst unless you get mitigation somewhere else.

Rings: Depending on what is missing (Weaponpower/Reg i go with either Triune or Infused... though i dont know yet.
Probabely 1x Infused + Weaponpower and 1 Triune + Magicka reg + 1 Infused + Staminareg. Though i fear, i have not enough reg

I'd say a Pelinal setup is the only one were dropping Robust for Infused is worth the hassle.
Werewolf does so much damage just by spamming light attack and gets so much stam back from the heavy attack on off-balance i don't think regen is worth it over Weapon damage enchants, especially with Pelinal.

Head + Shoulder: Not sure yet. I have lot of old sets, Trollking is missing, because i was away for a long time.

You are an Orc, go get that Troll King.

5x Pellinal`s
5x Shacklebreaker
1 Kena + 1 Velidret (Or 2 Veli/Kena). (Or something with reg/heal)

I will try to craft and test some stuff out in the next days.

Oh... and i am Orc-Masterrace-Templar

My recommendation for you :
5x Shacklebreaker (you can use Impregnable while researching Jewelry traits).
5x Pelinal
5 Heavy / 1 Medium / 1 Light (maybe a switch to 5 medium when stomping newbies)
Full Tristat and Impen on armor
Full infused weapon damage on Jewelry
Troll King in tough fights, Weapon damage if you feel you can.
Food : Artaeum Takeaway Broth or Clockwork Citrus Filet (!) for more defense.

My 2cents

Qbiken · June 2018

@Iduyenn

Currently I´m using three builds on my werewolf:

#1
5 Automaton
5 Shacklebreaker
Trollking

Assuming I´ve done my math correctly, Automaton gives more damage output than Ravager in werewolf form (Major Brutality + Hircine´s Rage + Savage Strength passive). Only downside is that Automaton doesn´t buff the DoT-part from Claws of Anguish.

#2 (inb4 someone makes a Youtube build-video on this build soon, calling it now)
5 Shacklebreaker
5 Pelinial
Kena or Trollking

Using Pelinial jewelry together with two axes on my werewolf bar. At the moment my Pelinial jewelry are in robust. I´m planning to re-trait them one by one to infused to see how it performs. Your healing output with Hircine´s Rage is really strong. 15k+ crit heals is easily doable. I´m using it on my Redguard stamsorc, but I´m not 100% convinced stamsorc is the best class for this build yet. Replacing automaton is noticeable on your damage output.
However, one thing that I´ve noticed is that magicka regen becomes more important on the #2 build. While we´ve a heal that is stronger than breath of life, our magicka pool isn´t that big. Using the Orsinium gold-food has been very successful for me when it comes to helping the magicka regen.

#3
5 Pelinial
5 Fury
Kena or Trollking

With this setup on the right class you´ll hit 7k+ weapon-damage fully buffed. Would say this build is probably the most hard-hitting build out there. However, I wouldn´t touch it unless I´ve a good pocket-healer or support with me.

The first build I would say is the most solo-friendly setup. #2 and #3 performs best when you´re in a smaller group with some kind of support, preferably a magicka warden.

Peekachu99 · June 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

Aztlan wrote: »

At the moment it doesn´t work with bone-pirate, so for anyone who planned to use this with BP i would wait until its fixed

It doesn’t work with bone Pirate because it’s incorrectly categorized. It works with GREEN PATH. It’s a food. You’re welcome. Now get out there and make some tanky AF WW.

Qbiken · June 2018

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Aztlan wrote: »

At the moment it doesn´t work with bone-pirate, so for anyone who planned to use this with BP i would wait until its fixed

It doesn’t work with bone Pirate because it’s incorrectly categorized. It works with GREEN PATH. It’s a food. You’re welcome. Now get out there and make some tanky AF WW.

I find it weird that ZOS consider broth to be a food xD

And we don´t know if it´s a bug that it´s considered a food (no official statement from ZOS yet. Or at least I haven´t seen one yet). And at release Arteum Broth didn´t work with Green-pact either, so I´m still sceptical about it´s "true" identity. But then again, bone-pirate is an overrated set for werewolf anyway

CTSCold · June 2018

What about using:

5 Pelinals

5 Twice Born Star (instead of Shackle)

Troll King.

Would the extra wp/sp dmg of the Warrior Mundus and the extra max health be worth the loss of the max stam/mag?

Aznox · June 2018

I saw Gina writing that "they were looking at it" regarding Arteum food/drink.

Bone Pirate is still a great set i'd like to swap for when using a bow bar (poison injection).

Skullstachio · June 2018

There is always the option of using pelinals & Salvation, 2nd & 4th pieces of salvation add max stamina, 3rd piece adds stamina recovery & 5th piece grants up to 150 weapon damage while in werewolf form in addition to reducing the ultimate cost by 33%. (Using kena with it may be good.)

Aznox · June 2018

CTSCold wrote: »

What about using:

5 Pelinals

5 Twice Born Star (instead of Shackle)

Troll King.

Would the extra wp/sp dmg of the Warrior Mundus and the extra max health be worth the loss of the max stam/mag?

Do you really need our help to :
- Search for the value of stats granted by the second Mundus
- compare it to the value of stats granted by another set 5pc

TBS is viable with full divine, but clearly inferior in full impen for most setups

CTSCold · June 2018

Well since I've tried both, and I am still uncertain if it's worth it since i'm new to WW,I thought I'd ask all of you who seem to know so much about WW in ESO.

I didn't see any mention of it in any of the previous 22 pages and wasn't sure if anyone else whith more WW experience had tried it now that we have the ability to use two crafted sets.

My bad for asking I guess.

Aznox · June 2018

CTSCold wrote: »

Well since I've tried both, and I am still uncertain if it's worth it since i'm new to WW,I thought I'd ask all of you who seem to know so much about WW in ESO.

I didn't see any mention of it in any of the previous 22 pages and wasn't sure if anyone else whith more WW experience had tried it now that we have the ability to use two crafted sets.

My bad for asking I guess.

hey sorry i sounded harsh

There's never a bad question, especially if you read the thread first, feel free to ask anything, after all i'm hanging out here to feed on random ideas people might throw

CTSCold · June 2018

It's all good

I really should have worded my initial question better now that I look at it.

There's a ton of good info in here for new people like me.

I'll try to do some more testing on Twice Born, but I'm thinking that It's probably not going to work out in the end.