The only thing missing for class balance is a Nightblade nerf.
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Koronach✭✭✭✭✭I can tell some of the people in this thread never played another MMO with a stealth class before. In other MMO's like WoW and Rift rogue classes can stay in stealth INDEFINITELY. No stam or mag to maintain it and no short timer. So count your blessings the QQ would be real on here.
While what you say is true the rogue in WoW has also been nerfed quite a bit and it's fairly easy to remove them from stealth with Hunter traps, spectral sight, AOE, you name it.
From what I understand it's quite easy to knock NB out of stealth on here as well. I don't know about traps but spectral sight don't we have detection potions that see through cloak? AoE don't we have a ton of those as well? I understand people like to save that potion cd for healing or whatnot but the counters are here.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭The only thing that's OP about Nightblades is Fear...
And that's only because you cant reliably break free from it (and you have to go into that stupid running away animation before Breaking Free is even possible)...
Once Fear gets fixed (not holding my breath on it), the class will be fine...Unyeilding Bias
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✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »The only thing I want nerfed is the damn build that lets someone with a two hander, and SOME templars one shot me with their charge attacks. Literally no defense at all. Dude comes up on me using an invisbility potion, and then once in range, BAM, I see a glowy spear, or a hammer, just before my health goes from full to zero, before I have time to press a single key.
Don't straggle in the back of your group, that's how you fix that.
That doesn't change the fact that the one hit build is possible, and annoying as *** to deal with.
From a Templar one shot? You’re describing DBOS I think and I use it in my Stamplar of course; but the only people I am “one shotting “ (not really as there is POTL, a charge, DBOS, and jabs cleanup) are likely vampires and werewolves and probably people using divines and infused rather than impen.
I have noticed more glass like this lately but anyone with any knowledge of what I am doing (seriously; you don’t even specify what’s hitting you even with death recaps) or is built right will not drop so easily.
Plus as a Stamplar I’m focused on an ultimate for my burst combo. If you melt so easy to that; just wait until you meet a stamden that’s any good using shalk , dizzy swing and executioner.
Seriously. Is there anything out there people won’t call for nerfs on? I imagine as some of these stam sorcs become better known it’s going to be up there so that will leave stamdk but they haven’t fully gotten away from the block holding complainingEdited by technohic on February 23, 2018 11:56AM0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades and 2 handers are OP has to be nerfed. Rest all fine and balanced except sword and board & warden. Sword and board and warden needs buff to be even consider it.Edited by Priyasekarssk on February 23, 2018 6:58PM0
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✭Strangely I never had too much trouble with nightblade outside of the fact they hard to kill because cloak since I can't be bothered to build to counter that specifically.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
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Oh, for the pve perspective of things I believe stamDk being strong is fine, but PvE nightblades always tell me otherwise.beetleklee wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »beetleklee wrote: »I've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.
If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)
Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.
Naw, leave StamDK be. I'm sick of this game nerfing DKs and pigeon-holing them into a tank only role. Not gonna shelve another character for vet trials.
They're already nerfed down to oblivion, even for bruiser builds people play nightblades, and if they want something like old Dk there is always stamden.
For PvP, yes, but I was referring more to PvE.
Since I don't play PvE much and don't know why stamDK having high dps is such a problem, I'll pass on this one.
But what I can agree on with them is that nightblade needs some buffs to tanking, to at least make them viable off-tanks in trials.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 24, 2018 12:07AM0 -
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »The only thing I want nerfed is the damn build that lets someone with a two hander, and SOME templars one shot me with their charge attacks. Literally no defense at all. Dude comes up on me using an invisbility potion, and then once in range, BAM, I see a glowy spear, or a hammer, just before my health goes from full to zero, before I have time to press a single key.
Don't straggle in the back of your group, that's how you fix that.
That doesn't change the fact that the one hit build is possible, and annoying as *** to deal with.
From a Templar one shot? You’re describing DBOS I think and I use it in my Stamplar of course; but the only people I am “one shotting “ (not really as there is POTL, a charge, DBOS, and jabs cleanup) are likely vampires and werewolves and probably people using divines and infused rather than impen.
I have noticed more glass like this lately but anyone with any knowledge of what I am doing (seriously; you don’t even specify what’s hitting you even with death recaps) or is built right will not drop so easily.
Plus as a Stamplar I’m focused on an ultimate for my burst combo. If you melt so easy to that; just wait until you meet a stamden that’s any good using shalk , dizzy swing and executioner.
Seriously. Is there anything out there people won’t call for nerfs on? I imagine as some of these stam sorcs become better known it’s going to be up there so that will leave stamdk but they haven’t fully gotten away from the block holding complaining
Well, as long as people come up with distraction builds, there's always going to be people who are salty over it.0 -
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✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
Oh, for the pve perspective of things I believe stamDk being strong is fine, but PvE nightblades always tell me otherwise.beetleklee wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »beetleklee wrote: »I've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.
If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)
Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.
Naw, leave StamDK be. I'm sick of this game nerfing DKs and pigeon-holing them into a tank only role. Not gonna shelve another character for vet trials.
They're already nerfed down to oblivion, even for bruiser builds people play nightblades, and if they want something like old Dk there is always stamden.
For PvP, yes, but I was referring more to PvE.
Since I don't play PvE much and don't know why stamDK having high dps is such a problem, I'll pass on this one.
But what I can agree on with them is that nightblade needs some buffs to tanking, to at least make them viable off-tanks in trials.
Those nightblades don't know wtf they're talking about. In pve nightblades owe alooooot to stamdks for providing them the needed buffs. -> something they cannot do if it meant crippling their dps.Edited by Ep1kMalware on February 24, 2018 8:58AM0 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade is the one of the most overloaded classes, next to wardens.
- High damaging low cost ult which also buffs damage done and debuffs the target.
- Access to one of the highest instant damaging attack with Grim Focus.
- High damaging instant class spammable which also debuffs.
- Instant invisibility supressing all DOTS giving 100% crit chance for next attack.
- 8 second long 50-60% snares.
- 4.5 seconds long undodgable unblockable fear which also snares....
- Major Evasion, Minor Berserk, Major Fracture + Major Breach combined.
Nightblade is in dire need of further nerfs.Edited by techprince on February 24, 2018 12:40PM1 -
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✭techprince wrote: »Nightblade is the one of the most overloaded classes, next to wardens.
- High damaging low cost ult which also buffs damage done and debuffs the target.
- Access to one of the highest instant damaging attack with Grim Focus.
- High damaging instant class spammable which also debuffs.
- Instant invisibility supressing all DOTS giving 100% crit chance for next attack.
- 8 second long 50-60% snares.
- 4.5 seconds long undodgable unblockable fear which also snares....
- Major Evasion, Minor Berserk, Major Fracture + Major Breach combined.
Nightblade is in dire need of further nerfs.
It's also squishy and frustratingly single target. Nb is nerfed already by lag, procsets, and zergs.4 -
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For solopvp: A bad nightblade is worse than the other classes - a good nightblade is better
One of the reasons topics like this one are so much fun.
This thread got some pure gold comments. I agree on ur statement as long as u dont get marked soulassaulted
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Sorc is better for surviveing but harder to kill stuff. In the end solo PvP works just because of one fact: most players openworld are just really bad. I got least problems with nbs(stam) in cyro by far.
Most seem to be not able to roll anything reactive and tend to die instant to incap.
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techprince✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »techprince wrote: »Nightblade is the one of the most overloaded classes, next to wardens.
- High damaging low cost ult which also buffs damage done and debuffs the target.
- Access to one of the highest instant damaging attack with Grim Focus.
- High damaging instant class spammable which also debuffs.
- Instant invisibility supressing all DOTS giving 100% crit chance for next attack.
- 8 second long 50-60% snares.
- 4.5 seconds long undodgable unblockable fear which also snares....
- Major Evasion, Minor Berserk, Major Fracture + Major Breach combined.
Nightblade is in dire need of further nerfs.
It's also squishy and frustratingly single target. Nb is nerfed already by lag, procsets, and zergs.
When you combine all of it with cloak and roll dodges, they become an evade tank.Edited by techprince on February 24, 2018 5:33PM0 -
No nerf needed. Maybe a buff? Lol. I've been a magblade since day one and it finally feels awesome playing pvp. Gave up on PvE. But really, cloak is what saves us. Without it we are pretty squishy.XBOX One gamertag: Cur1UpAndDie0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Originally, I ceased playing because of the games horrendous performance. The more and more I read the forums, looking for a glimpse of hope that ZoS fixed the game and I should come back, I remember another reason I see no point in returning....these types of people.
TBH; the forum is always negative regardless of how things are going in game. I could be having fun in game and read the forums and lose all enthusiasm.0 -
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✭✭✭Meh, nightblades do not need any nerfs. I am thinking this is a troll thread.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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AweBiTr✭✭No need to nerf assassins! I am noob in PvP. For a long time I did not kill by assassins! The last time even I killed an assassin! Dont nerf assasins... Without them Cyrodill will be boring=)1
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Tetrafy✭✭✭✭This is why they shouldnt have nerfed anything in the first place now look. Everyone gets a squirt gun. YAY.5 -
Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Ssshhhhhh don't make NB's cry, they cry more than Sorcs. Be like the humble Templar, they hold in their emotions as they've slowly been stripped of their relevance
As a PVP Templar main this hurt my soul....Dude Where's My Guar?1 -
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✭jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Ssshhhhhh don't make NB's cry, they cry more than Sorcs. Be like the humble Templar, they hold in their emotions as they've slowly been stripped of their relevance
As a PVP Templar main this hurt my soul....
As a pve stamplar main since imp city it hurts mine too..0 -
FLambda✭✭✭This is the second post I see where you clearly made a post about a controversial topic, and I am starting to believe you're simply baiting everyone (even when you said Forums should be ESO+ only)
No, there are many titles that have subscriber only forums. Even games in development like Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen. These are tough topics but I am in no way trying to bait anyone I fervently believe Nightblades are overtuned.
You do realize that you have to buy the game to post in the forums, yes? Therefore, we already have a system in place that only paying persons can post.Remember: there's no such thing as the Universal Standard of Descriptional Qualifications and Metrics.
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✭NBs don't need buff. They don't need nerfs either. They are in really great spot. What they should do is to bring other classes to be as good as NBs currently is as far as damage/sustain go.
And if you get one shot by Templar gapcloser, you have much more problems than a Templar. Are you running impen? Are you using gears that are not willy nilly pick up here and there? Did you just invest in badly performing defensive CPs? I enjoy DBoS wrecking gankblades because they are built to be glass cannon. And when I play ganker glass cannon, accept them death because I know my defense was lacking.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on February 26, 2018 2:41AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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✭✭✭✭IZZESparkling wrote: »NBs don't need buff. They don't need nerfs either. They are in really great spot. What they should do is to bring other classes to be as good as NBs currently is as far as damage/sustain go.
And if you get one shot by Templar gapcloser, you have much more problems than a Templar. Are you running impen? Are you using gears that are not willy nilly pick up here and there? Did you just invest in badly performing defensive CPs? I enjoy DBoS wrecking gankblades because they are built to be glass cannon. And when I play ganker glass cannon, accept them death because I know my defense was lacking.
I don't think cloak absorbing projectiles, forcing your heals to crit, absorbing dots and making you invisible on top of that can be considered ''fine''.
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✭✭✭Lets have a comparison for arguments sake.
Shimmering shield.
If cloak can dodge any amount of non AoE hits and suppress all dots (For lazy technical reason, its invisibility, not invincibility.) provide a boost to all heals in it, and damage. Why don't we do a similar thing with shimmering and see what people think.
Shield can now absorb unlimited projectiles. Not any other abilities, just projectiles. The heroism and mag regen effects work as counterparts to the crit for heals/damage deals, and total dot suppression. You can break this effect with an AoE, same as cloak.
How would people feel. Now the same idea with wings.
Edited by ak_pvp on February 28, 2018 5:28AMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭Last night in ps4 Vivec na, I did four, maybe five mage furies in a row at a nb who would've died if they connected. None connected. The lag was pretty wonky, and yet I never once hated the nightblade for that.
Anybody asking to nerf nightblades needs to play as one first, and if you become a BAMFNB you'll stop asking for nerfs. If you land between fail horribly and mediocre results, you will hopefully accept that its not easy and the people who get to you are probably just good at the game.
Also, playing as a nightblade myself has increased my awareness and coping abilities more than magelight and detect pots ever did.Fear is the Mindkiller1