The only thing missing for class balance is a Nightblade nerf.
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✭King_Thelon wrote: »
Because sorc mains dont like being outdone in any capacity.
I still remember the overreaction of the curse nerf which got reverted because every sorc flocked too the forums to moan. Which was rediculous. Pretty much puts ZoS in the position of being unable to nerf sorc in any way at all due to them not wanting such a large outcry. Its sad.
BEHOLD
The state of the game rests not
In the hands of its creators,
But in the minds of the young,
The untested
And the untrue.
Cry for nerfs younglings!
And you will reap what you've sown!
All classes shall perish together
As men shall turn to dust.
If thou hast understanding,
Hear thou this:
Harken to the truth of these words:
You know not when your nerfs arrive;
They come as thieves in the night.
Be dressed and ready with your lamps aflame,
Like servants waiting for their master.
It will be good for those servants
Whose master finds them ready,
Even if he comes amidst the darkest night.
For if the master had known
The hour of the thief,
He would never leave the home,
Nor wash the lamb's blood from its door.
Fun little poem. But its kinda hard to nerf nightblades anymore than they already have been pvp wise we're relegated to bombblades and gankblades most of the time except the odd or two disgusting lightning staff builds. Which I outright refuse to use out of spite.
How long has it been since sorcs actually got something considered a "toning down" longer than a year I presume.
Going to be funny watching Dks get nerfed to oblivion as well while sorcs remain untouched. Hilarious how everything else gets nerfed but sorcs are left virtually untouched most of the time. In PvP specifically.Edited by xeNNNNN on February 21, 2018 10:04PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.4 -
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✭✭Please, tell me you're being ironic.
Edited by Anhedonie on February 21, 2018 10:08PMProfanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.1 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Nihility42 wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »I'm thinking that if we all start insulting each other, ZOS will have to come in and close down this unimaginably stupid thread.
OP, delete your account, go play a different game, and get bent.
I hate you. You shouldn't even be playing this game you dumb, meanie
I love you all... damn it I cant do anything left!Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »You didn't specify what exactly to bring down. Keep in mind Nightblades are pretty poor in end game PvE, we don't want to worsen that.
Troll level: Expert
Since launch, nightblades have been the best designed class across the board. They have certainly not always been the most powerful, but nightblade hasnt changed a lot other than a few tweaks here and there, mostly to mericless resolve (which is currently broken, but that's a different thread). The have by far the most flexability of any class in terms of playstle, whether you need a ranged magic or an AOE stamina spammable, you got it. Good access to buffs, sustain, etc. They have a skill for most things.
I agree 100% that Nightblade is across the board the best class in the game currently, but it is also true that they have the most difficult play-style/rotation of any class:
End game PVE (talking Pushing trial Scores):
Ranged DPS: BIS
Melee DPS: BIS
Tank: Not Viable
Healer not viable
PVE 4 Man content, casual trials:
Same except tank and healers become a viable options. There are arguments to be made for them being one of the best healing options for high damage groups, that are looking for more DPS than heals from their healer.
PVE Solo Content:
Were BIS for VMA until they broke merciless, but all magic classes can break 600k in the right hands (Cough LZH Cough).
PVP
Stamina: IMO they are second best in open world behind Stam Warden, but between stam NB, Stam Warden, and Stamplar, I think you are splitting hairs (personally stamplar is my toughest counter)
Magic: Best bombers, but not anywhere near the best for open world IMO. Not that they are bad, I just dont think they standout as much. I pretty much only die to a magic NB when they pull off a good bomb.
All that said, nerf is not the answer. It is not like this class has been the recipient of grotesque buffs over the years, they have just been hit with the nerf hammer the least. I think this is arguably the one class that they got right essentially out of the gates. The much better option would be to use NB as a model to fix the other classes and bring them up to scratch.
For what its worth, I main a mag sorc in PVP, a stam sorc for melee DPS, a magblade (recently) for ranged DPS, a DK for tanking, and a Templar for healing. Only class I dont actively play is a warden, who despite their uselessness as a PVE DPS, are a pretty strong class across the board.
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ReverseVenom✭✭✭For the purpose of my half essay it is assumed that the NB is not stacking proc sets, if they are then tough luck that is ZOS's job to fix and is not a NB specific problem
Whenever I read a thread like this all I see us "I got ganked and because of their class's intended purpose I died and want to suck the fun and individuality out of everything that isn't a S&B/2H HA build" or "I got ganked and survived but because I slotted no aoe or reveal on my bar he managed to disappear and start the fight over again"
Nightblades have very little survivability when caught out in the open, any *** can spam reveals/talons/spears/curse but to use cloak in its state effectively isn't just spamming a button and throwing yourself into the sunset scot free. Even more so for stamblades.
A nightblade wearing heavy armour is almost suicide so they lack resistance and their main form of defense is dodge rolling which exponentially drains stamina, there is no access to major vitality so cloaking to crit a heal isn't something over powered but a necessity to stay in a fight.
any decent DK or Sorc can easily kill a nightblade, and a templar should be able to outheal/dps with jabs and ritual, the only class without a reliable way to pull NB out of stealth is stam warden.
Honestly just cc, block/roll dodge when they ambush and you negate the inevitable surprise attack/incap combo, the only time a decent nightblade should kill you is if they catch you way off guard or when you just finished a fight and you have no resources.
A good nightblade on the other hand is an entirely different story but they are a hard class to master making them few and far between because of the amount a beginner NB will spend sneaking and/or dead isn't the biggest incentive to keep playing.Edited by ReverseVenom on February 21, 2018 10:28PMNerf mudcrabs4 -
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✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.2 -
KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭Well magicka wardens are overpowered, so let's nerf them?KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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Kode✭✭✭LOL... reminds me of that whole "show me on the doll where the Nightblade touched you"...
Isolated incidents don't mean anything. Across the board, Nightblades are annoying, not overpowered.Kode Darkstar, Aldmeri Dominion4 -
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✭✭✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
Developers usually don't give classes higher DPS based on rotation complexity. Also, it may be harder for you but easier for some.1 -
Mertica✭✭This is the second post I see where you clearly made a post about a controversial topic, and I am starting to believe you're simply baiting everyone (even when you said Forums should be ESO+ only)3 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is the second post I see where you clearly made a post about a controversial topic, and I am starting to believe you're simply baiting everyone (even when you said Forums should be ESO+ only)
No, there are many titles that have subscriber only forums. Even games in development like Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen. These are tough topics but I am in no way trying to bait anyone I fervently believe Nightblades are overtuned.1 -
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✭Surely this is a troll post. Nightblades have recieved many nerfs and are one of the weaker classes. If anything they could use a buff in certain areas.
Just from the post I can tell the OP has never played a Nightblade. I have all characters and regard the Nightblade as probably the weakest, though the style is my favorite2 -
MacCait✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those of you that do not think Nightblade is over performing you need to look across the internet to see the 57 - 60k DPS parses across the internet. The sorc just took a huge hit with off balance changes in addition it relies on pets which can cause issues in trials.
In PVP it is extremely strong and has far too much utility and damage to not be considered unbalanced. Anyone saying the contrary is just fearing the nerf.
Everyone that used heavy attacks took a hit with the off-balance changes. Also, I've hit 60k on my stamplar and I'm not really a great player or anything, though admittedly this is in CWC. But I'm sure really good stamplars are still hitting 60k+, as well as other stam DPS specs.
So what's your goal here? Nerf Nightblades so some other class is top dog and you ask for them to be nerfed and it just perpetuates until all the classes are complete ***?
IMO Nghtblades should be top DPS considering they have the most complex rotation.
Developers usually don't give classes higher DPS based on rotation complexity. Also, it may be harder for you but easier for some.
Before judging, create a Nightblade and try and play it. You will soon discover it is one of the more difficult and weaker classes. Good luck0 -
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✭✭@Knowledge not this again...nbs are having a hard time being in the middle always and we always get nerfs every updates...we finally got 1 "buff" and it cant rly be called that...so stop these kind of posts, if you are frustrated that's L2P issues.
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✭✭✭✭✭C’mon guys. Let’s not argue over the top statements with equally over the top statements. NBs are not weak. Not in PVP at least. But they’re not tops. I’d give that to stamden.1 -
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✭C’mon guys. Let’s not argue over the top statements with equally over the top statements. NBs are not weak. Not in PVP at least. But they’re not tops. I’d give that to stamden.
A large problem in this game has always been judging everything on PvP, when most players PvE. We have always needed two systems. That way if stuff gets nerfed in PvP, the PvE players and their experience are left alone. Other games manage it... but devs have commented it would be too much work4 -
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1. No group utility
2. Highest single-target DPS
3. Lowest survivability
Extremely unhappy about the stamblade situation in trials.
LOL at nerf nightblade thread.PS4 NA AD ScourgeVivec Loading Screen Simulator 2017
Khajiit stamblade main - Walking the Two-Moons Path and robbing cute Breton boys.
Breton magplar vet Trial Healer - Promoting wellness through self-reflection.
Argonian Tripot DK Cyrodiil Tank - One with the Hist and guarding cute Breton boys.
Altmer magsorc PvE DPS - Scamp tramp and unrepentant lush.
"30s to eval"
"Read the ******* lorebook."1 -
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1. No group utility
2. Highest single-target DPS
3. Lowest survivability
Extremely unhappy about the stamblade situation in trials.
LOL at nerf nightblade thread.
lolwut?EU | PC | AD0 -
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1. No group utility
2. Highest single-target DPS
3. Lowest survivability
Extremely unhappy about the stamblade situation in trials.
LOL at nerf nightblade thread.
lolwut?
lol yah
1. Stamblades don't provide comparable group buffs to what stamDKs and stamplars provide.
2. Stamblade DPS is exclusively single target, save Endless Hail and Caltrops
3. Stamblades lack shields and lack a burst heal like Green Dragon's Blood, Breath of Life, or Dark Exchange, meaning they don't have a "Get out of trouble" button in case the healer is incapacitated. Hence=>lowest survivability of all the stam classes.
Consequently, they remain disfavored in vet hardmode trials groups, save for the times where a player pulls 48k+DPS and the group doesn't have anyone comparable. All of this is common knowledge.PS4 NA AD ScourgeVivec Loading Screen Simulator 2017
Khajiit stamblade main - Walking the Two-Moons Path and robbing cute Breton boys.
Breton magplar vet Trial Healer - Promoting wellness through self-reflection.
Argonian Tripot DK Cyrodiil Tank - One with the Hist and guarding cute Breton boys.
Altmer magsorc PvE DPS - Scamp tramp and unrepentant lush.
"30s to eval"
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1. No group utility
2. Highest single-target DPS
3. Lowest survivability
Extremely unhappy about the stamblade situation in trials.
LOL at nerf nightblade thread.
lolwut?
lol yah
1. Stamblades don't provide comparable group buffs to what stamDKs and stamplars provide.
2. Stamblade DPS is exclusively single target, save Endless Hail and Caltrops
3. Stamblades lack shields and lack a burst heal like Green Dragon's Blood, Breath of Life, or Dark Exchange, meaning they don't have a "Get out of trouble" button in case the healer is incapacitated. Hence=>lowest survivability of all the stam classes.
Consequently, they remain disfavored in vet hardmode trials groups, save for the times where a player pulls 48k+DPS and the group doesn't have anyone comparable. All of this is common knowledge.
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Smmokkee✭✭✭✭✭Seriously a bunch of noobs with no skill in this thread. You just suck! Its ok man... its OK.4
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1. No group utility
2. Highest single-target DPS
3. Lowest survivability
Extremely unhappy about the stamblade situation in trials.
LOL at nerf nightblade thread.
lolwut?
lol yah
1. Stamblades don't provide comparable group buffs to what stamDKs and stamplars provide.
2. Stamblade DPS is exclusively single target, save Endless Hail and Caltrops
3. Stamblades lack shields and lack a burst heal like Green Dragon's Blood, Breath of Life, or Dark Exchange, meaning they don't have a "Get out of trouble" button in case the healer is incapacitated. Hence=>lowest survivability of all the stam classes.
Consequently, they remain disfavored in vet hardmode trials groups, save for the times where a player pulls 48k+DPS and the group doesn't have anyone comparable. All of this is common knowledge.
I've never met a Stam DPS toon, or magicka for that matter, that ran a burst heal.2 -
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✭C’mon guys. Let’s not argue over the top statements with equally over the top statements. NBs are not weak. Not in PVP at least. But they’re not tops. I’d give that to stamden.
A large problem in this game has always been judging everything on PvP, when most players PvE. We have always needed two systems. That way if stuff gets nerfed in PvP, the PvE players and their experience are left alone. Other games manage it... but devs have commented it would be too much work
This statement just doesn't sit well with me. To have a system in place that constantly pits two very different groups against one another, all the while knowing there is a better system available that would remedy said situation but choosing not to use it due to the work it would require?
The real kicker is that many skills/abilities already function differently. I'd rather they say the suits that actually make the decisions won't greenlight the necessary resources to have separate teams. Even if it's a lie, though I honestly believe that to be the case. I can't imagine an employee telling their boss they could do better but decided not to due to it being too much work.
Nope, I think they're well aware that while the pvp aspects/community are important to the game, they are a minority which just doesn't justify the added cost of a separate team. Pvers be damn, like it or wait until later in the year when console gamers will have more mmo's to choose from that understand how to not constantly *** off both sides while pleasing none because the powers that be want a 3rd yacht to water ski behind or they're using said resources to fund another game unrelated to eso.
Rather surprised so many pc gamers choose eso over the many many many options (at least thats what I'm told) for pvp fun.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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✭✭✭✭Nbs need their deserved nerfs.
Cloak is just too much.Edited by Ragnarock41 on February 22, 2018 1:10AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Knowledge A bit of advice. Asking to nerf Nightblades, is like putting a massive target on your back. Why? Because, the vast majority of the player base mains a Nightblade. It also happens to be the combat team’s favorite class. The bias is insane when it comes to Nightblades. So when you ask for something to nerfed that the majority of players use, and that the devs have a huge amount of favoritism for? You’re essentially inviting negativity and hate to your doorstep.
I’ll put it to you like this. The bias is so bad for Nightblades that It doesn’t matter if the class was capable of 1-shotting trial bosses, and insta-gibbing players with a single light attack. The player base would respond to any nerfs toward it just as they are now. Like a swarm of angry wasps, and you went and kicked their nest like a soccer ball.
Oh, and if you’re curious why so many players main Nightblades? It’s because the class is easy mode. It’s the assassin; or rogue class. And forever the reason, gamers go absolutely batshit crazy whenever they have the chance to play anything remotely ninja-esque. Case and point? Skyrim assassin players, Overwatch Genji mains, Mortal Kombat ninja mains, etc. So for future reference, try to avoid asking that anything remotely stealthy in a game get nerfed. Unless of course you want to get flamed by a bunch of angry gamers.8
