The only thing missing for class balance is a Nightblade nerf.
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When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
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✭✭✭✭✭You didn't specify what exactly to bring down. Keep in mind Nightblades are pretty poor in end game PvE, we don't want to worsen that.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.Xbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 201518 -
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✭✭Nerf the forum!PC - EU:
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✭✭✭✭✭Magblade and even stamblade? And stamdens fine.
Let’s just stop asking for nerfs. For as hard as ZOS fails at balancing; I’m pretty sure they will do it with an objective basis more than players who would based on what gives them the most trouble.7 -
UnseenCat✭✭✭✭No... Just no.
Nightblades were the first to feel the nerf-hammer when One Tamriel first came out. It's taken until around Clockwork City for the mess to settle down.
Seems like the typical method is to nerf a class to Oblivion first, and only then start tweaking at it for patch after patch. Chasing the meta isn't fun. I stayed away for a while until ZOS finally stopped constantly "re-balancing" my stamblade main.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Stop asking for nerfs, people.
Threads like this are the reason we've had nothing but nerfs to all classes for the past year. Stop this nonsense.22 -
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✭They need to be buffed heavily.
But let's start simply before we get to the big, awesome, buffs that are coming:- Looking forward to the fix for Cloak + its morphs.
- Looking forward even more to the extended duration of Cloak + its morphs
- The improved passives are looking sick. Think th OP will lose his/her sh17 once they go live...
- Not sure if the overall damage mechanics need the insane buffs but hey - who are we to argue or disagree?
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✭✭✭✭✭Stop the nerfs but lol to people replying nightbaldes are in a bad spot
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✭Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
When they fix Cloak (+its morphs), goood luck with that.
New, improved BUFFED NB's incoming!
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There, fixed it for you.Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking my stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. I will fail horribly, as I have no real sustain for handling the boss fights.18 -
Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭NB were in a terrible spot. I know that because I run one. I couldn't use a bow, I couldn't do anything without dying because no sustain. I don't do PvP so frankly, I don't give a damn what happens there. In PvE, NBs are finally coming out of the slump and can actually compete, somewhat. Anyone who doesn't know that, doesn't play a NB or only does PvP and I'm getting sick of the nerfs because of PvP that affect the PvE players the most.8
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✭✭✭✭✭Ssshhhhhh don't make NB's cry, they cry more than Sorcs. Be like the humble Templar, they hold in their emotions as they've slowly been stripped of their relevance
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WildWilbur✭✭✭✭Another clickbait to farm posts...
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✭✭I've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.
If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)
Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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i know this might be hard to hear but you might just be outplayed or lowgeared, a hint is to not go into pvp without food and use heavyarmor, it isint all about high dps in pvp, because if you arent being oneshoted by a stamblade you will easly take him out, because i promise you that he have low health and high dmgMaker of Drama & Lover of Roleplay1 -
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✭When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
what class are you? i say nerf that.6 -
SJD_Phoenix✭✭✭Nightblades are fine where they are, the DPS is above average and they excel at what they’re supposed to excel at in pvp: burst damage.
But they aren’t OP either. Mag burst can be a pain to manage in pvp when playing against good players and stam is squishy AF.
I’d like to see cloak fixed for good then they’ll be on par.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You didn't specify what exactly to bring down. Keep in mind Nightblades are pretty poor in end game PvE, we don't want to worsen that.
I´m detecting a small hint of sarcasm xDI've got no problem with Nightblades being top dog in PVE. They have probably the hardest rotation to master in the game with managing Relentless Focus procs, and achieving perfect weaving in order to do so.
If you miss a weave on most classes, you are only losing out on a dab of damage, whereas on a Nightblade, you are breaking your entire skill order, and missing out on some sustain from siphoning (lol)
Stam DK has zero sustain issues, one of the easiest rotations in the game, and pulls massive numbers in PVE. If anything needs a smack over the head with the nerf bat, it is them.
Tbh, nightblade rotation isn´t that complex (maybe in comparison to stamDK xD), and with the new changes to merciless you don´t need to worry about missing a weave or recasting it early. Sustain is super ez with magblade since your spammable is very cheap, and you also have siphoning attacks which really helps with resource management.
I don´t think magblade/stamblade is OP in terms of DPS (even though magblade been topdog since morrowind, only that most, including myself, started to realise it a little late). I´m more advocating that other classes/setups (cries in magDK/magplar DD) should get improvements to get the same levels as magblade/magsorcs.Edited by Qbiken on February 21, 2018 12:21PM3 -
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✭When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
I mean you give 0 reason for how they are op.... and 0 reason for how you would balance them. How about giving some insight into what you think needs to change?
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