The fix doesn't need to be to grant the extra point.

The fix needs to be credit for one tutorial point (whatever tutorial that happened to be) and one only.

Option to do some version of the introductory quest would be nice, but not a dealbreaker.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

The fix doesn't need to be to grant the extra point.

The fix needs to be credit for one tutorial point (whatever tutorial that happened to be) and one only.

Option to do some version of the introductory quest would be nice, but not a dealbreaker.

I like your idea. Have there be only one "Chapter Tutorial" skill point available, and grant it to the player only once after the first time they complete any Chapter's tutorial quest. Add a quest giver to Vvardenfell and Summerset zones to give existing characters access to the tutorial quest for that Chapter both so they can experience the quest and get access to the skill point. Then we can have fair access for all characters to all skill points.

I know a lot of people consider this one skill point as trivial and petty, but for completionists it definitely matters even more so now that we have new Psijic Order and Jewelry Crafting skill lines to apply points to. Please ZOS find a way to correct this when Summerset launches.

DoctorESO wrote: »

Have people given up the cause yet? Looks like the skill points are not coming.

It looks like it's not, oh well it was worth a try. Two betas and two skillpoints left unobtainable

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

They did this with Morrowind too, and never allowed existing characters to get that skyshard. I'm not rerolling my AR50 main with 27k+ achievement points (almost 28k) to get them, so it really sucks we cannot have these skill points, especially with jewelry crafting now coming out and the skill points being needed there. ):

yeh, despite feedback during morrowind's beta the missable skillpoint still went through, and this thread for the summerset one has been up since the start of the beta and they didn't bother to give us that one

Aliyavana wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Have people given up the cause yet? Looks like the skill points are not coming.

It looks like it's not, oh well it was worth a try. Two betas and two skillpoints left unobtainable

It was never going to be 2, just one... there’s no way new characters could do both new tutorials beside the old wailing prison one.. so the difference would always have been 1...

well there are 2 skill points ...if i remember right there is a certain quest line that in the end if you go right you get 2 skill points and if you go left you get 1....so you miss that skill point as well (but you miss it because you choose something )

I am concerned about this trend. My main character (dedicated crafter) just recently completed all research and is the bulk of my achievements for furnishing vendors. It seems unfair to lock skill points from old characters simply because new content is released. I'm not looking forward to doing all those months of crafting research and motif knowledge on another character. Sure, i don't strictly need to, but this is a worrisome trend.

Feanor wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

They did this with Morrowind too, and never allowed existing characters to get that skyshard. I'm not rerolling my AR50 main with 27k+ achievement points (almost 28k) to get them, so it really sucks we cannot have these skill points, especially with jewelry crafting now coming out and the skill points being needed there. ):

Erm...you have the additional 50 skill points from PvP. Unless you maxed out every skill tree in the game there is no way the one missing skill point is a deal breaker even with Jewelry Crafting and Psijic skill line coming. I just don’t get why the skill point is SO important to have a huge fuss made about it.

Completionism for one, and pvp wont give you this missing skillpoint. the person who you replied to has 50 skillpoints for pvp and probably doesn't need skillpoints for all the skills he/she needs. But the fact that we lose out on one just because we created our character earlier than others sucks. You might think this is unnecessary but think of it from a different perspective, everyone has different playstyles.

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Keep this thread / topic of the 2 Chapter's missable/unobtainable tutorial skillpoints on the front page and/or at the top of the Recent Discussions on the forums until @ZOS_GinaBruno or someone else from ZOS replies and directly addresses this issue.

It is already bad enough that this obvious oversight has occurred not once (Morrowind), but twice (Summerset).
By the time the 3rd or 4th 'Chapter' rolls around, that will be an entire passive-skill line that will be unobtainable for player character's who've been playing since launch, pre-Morrowind/pre-Summerset. Bad game design is bad.

ZOS simply needs to make the tutorial quests accessible for per-existing characters to go back and do them for the skillpoints.

...Please hold while I being my Summon @ZOS_GinaBruno prayer.

Nah dude it doesnt work like that. Like other posters before me in this thread have explained its only one skill point. No character created for morrowind or summerset or the next one or the next will have access to more than one skill point than you. They dont stack. New characters dont get to play the next tutorials either. A charcter i created with the morrowind tutorial isnt going to get the summerset skill point.

Feanor wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

They did this with Morrowind too, and never allowed existing characters to get that skyshard. I'm not rerolling my AR50 main with 27k+ achievement points (almost 28k) to get them, so it really sucks we cannot have these skill points, especially with jewelry crafting now coming out and the skill points being needed there. ):

Erm...you have the additional 50 skill points from PvP. Unless you maxed out every skill tree in the game there is no way the one missing skill point is a deal breaker even with Jewelry Crafting and Psijic skill line coming. I just don’t get why the skill point is SO important to have a huge fuss made about it.

You may think this all you want, but I still PvP on my main, I raid heal and have to use skills you wouldn't normally expect on a healer (bone shield, blood funnel, CoP, guard), and I also go around thieving, and using the DB skill lines. I have to also max out all crafting, max out snb tree, resto tree, destro tree, I have skill points in DW for bonuses, plus almost all my class skills unlocked because they have one place or another, all my armor trees (yes, I use medium to sneak around on an Altmer Templar for thieving), Mage's Guild, FG (mostly for ult gain and DBOS since no good CC on Magplar), taunt for certain strats, etc., etc.I need skills for PvP, skills for PvE, and so on and so forth. So, yes, as 1. a completionist and 2. as someone who does almost everything in this game, missing those 2 skillpoints is highly annoying and I need them. I'm also not making a huge fuss, I'm asking to have the two skillpoints that are accessible to people who roll new characters, that's not much to ask.

EDIT: Not to mention, I love questing, and want to experience the introductions to the Chapters!

Aliyavana wrote: »

Last week, I doubt it will be fixed

Can't say we didn't tell them. This thread was up since before pts

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

So each year we will be permanently weaker then new players potential?

This going to add up in balanced. How about we just spot now?

This is exactly my point. One or two now isn't a big deal, however if this is to be the future of chapters and ESO, older players will be punished more and more over the years. Sure over 10 years it's only 10 extra skill points, but thats 10 more to go toward passives or anything I want really.

Once again, I paid for the chapter just like everybody else, why don't I get my one extra skill point that comes with the chapter just because I played prior to the launch of said chapter? Makes absolutely no sense why you would lock older players from something like this.

I'm questioning your math logic... because no character is going to have '10' extra skill points... only NEW characters will have 'two'- which means only new characters will ever only have ONE point more than you- not TEN. If ZOS were to do anything, I'd remove the skill point from chapter tutorials and keep it in the Wailing Prison quest.

The skill point issue is one I can at least get from a consistency and completionist standpoint (although I still think it’s an exaggerated view), but missing out on good storytelling? Who thinks the Morrowind tutorial is, of all things, good storytelling? It’s sparring with Naryu, fetch stuff, fight a few enemies if you choose to, and that’s it. Certainly not good storytelling but rather a copy of the wailing prison in Morrowind setting.

Enslaved wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

The skill point issue is one I can at least get from a consistency and completionist standpoint (although I still think it’s an exaggerated view), but missing out on good storytelling? Who thinks the Morrowind tutorial is, of all things, good storytelling? It’s sparring with Naryu, fetch stuff, fight a few enemies if you choose to, and that’s it. Certainly not good storytelling but rather a copy of the wailing prison in Morrowind setting.

Prison was way more interesting. But do not forget - ESO is an MMORPG, and most of them have either weak story or it is not delivered nearly as good as it should have been.

I disagree on that point. Most of the ESO storytelling is really excellent. It’s just that quests that have an obvious purpose (showing very basic game concepts) are hard to do without being boring. I agree the Wailing Prison is the better story though.