[Reddit] Matt Firor claims "dramatic" PvP lag fix incoming
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?0 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?
So you think the entire 300 mil was spent on developing ESO only? Not like on offices, servers and all the other things you need? People's salaries like the janitor and receptionist etc. None of that huh. The 300 mil was spent every nickle just n developing ESO alone.0 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?
So you think the entire 300 mil was spent on developing ESO only? Not like on offices, servers and all the other things you need? People's salaries like the janitor and receptionist etc. None of that huh. The 300 mil was spent every nickle just n developing ESO alone.
Can you please name any other project that ZOS is involved in?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?
I don't know what ZeniMax Media spent to build ZOS. I do know that Firor says that they did not spend 200 million to make ESO.0 -
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✭Rune_Relic wrote: »It would be interesting to see how CU copes when players started overwriting the game code with their own.
I wonder how their performance will suffer when they put counter measures into effect.
ESO was awesome performance wise ......a long time ago.
Then the gullibility and naivety in their code came back to bite them in the arse.
If you had done any research you would know that CU's game engine is being built with anticheating measures built in. One of the early tech demos they released showed it in action. I don't anticipate CU will have anywhere near the problem ESO has.
So its a client server model the same as ESO.
An authoritive system with all calcs done on the server.
Meaning everyone's performances is 100% at the mercy of the main servers performance, database and network.
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Not so, CU handles friendly & enemy collision on client side, as well as projectiles.Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »It would be interesting to see how CU copes when players started overwriting the game code with their own.
I wonder how their performance will suffer when they put counter measures into effect.
ESO was awesome performance wise ......a long time ago.
Then the gullibility and naivety in their code came back to bite them in the arse.
If you had done any research you would know that CU's game engine is being built with anticheating measures built in. One of the early tech demos they released showed it in action. I don't anticipate CU will have anywhere near the problem ESO has.
So its a client server model the same as ESO.
An authoritive system with all calcs done on the server.
Meaning everyone's performances is 100% at the mercy of the main servers performance, database and network.
And of course the fact that the alpha server already functions smoothly with 500+ players in one spot, fighting, spamming their abilities ect. That's something I don't believe ESO can boast of ever accomplishing.3 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?
So you think the entire 300 mil was spent on developing ESO only? Not like on offices, servers and all the other things you need? People's salaries like the janitor and receptionist etc. None of that huh. The 300 mil was spent every nickle just n developing ESO alone.
Can you please name any other project that ZOS is involved in?
Again the point flies right over your head. First off we have no proof whatsoever that entire 300 mil is spent. Second like I said new offices require a lot of money to get going. Now that those offices are there they wont need to be built again. Thirdly how do you know ZOS isnt working on anything else. Maybe they just havent announced it yet. Fallout MMO comes to mind.0 -
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✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?
So you think the entire 300 mil was spent on developing ESO only? Not like on offices, servers and all the other things you need? People's salaries like the janitor and receptionist etc. None of that huh. The 300 mil was spent every nickle just n developing ESO alone.
Can you please name any other project that ZOS is involved in?
Again the point flies right over your head. First off we have no proof whatsoever that entire 300 mil is spent. Second like I said new offices require a lot of money to get going. Now that those offices are there they wont need to be built again. Thirdly how do you know ZOS isnt working on anything else. Maybe they just havent announced it yet. Fallout MMO comes to mind.
If anyone ever purchases another mmo spearheaded by ZOS they need a mental evaluation.14 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »ESO has sold approx 3.65 mil copies over all platforms, with a production budget of $200 mil..
You do need to cite a source for that $200 million production budget.
We don't know the actual number, but comments from ZOS indicate it was not that high.
“If we really did waste 200 million dollars to make this game, then we would have been fired already for incompetence,” said Firor,
Thats why I didnt even bother to respond to that comment. ZOS isnt warner brothers. They dont have 100s of millions to spend on a MMO.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172674/teso-how-big-was-its-budget So people are wrong that Zenimax told they will spend all that money (300 mln) on funding ZOS?
So you think the entire 300 mil was spent on developing ESO only? Not like on offices, servers and all the other things you need? People's salaries like the janitor and receptionist etc. None of that huh. The 300 mil was spent every nickle just n developing ESO alone.
Can you please name any other project that ZOS is involved in?
Again the point flies right over your head. First off we have no proof whatsoever that entire 300 mil is spent. Second like I said new offices require a lot of money to get going. Now that those offices are there they wont need to be built again. Thirdly how do you know ZOS isnt working on anything else. Maybe they just havent announced it yet. Fallout MMO comes to mind.
If anyone ever purchases another mmo spearheaded by ZOS they need a mental evaluation.
Id buy another one. Id LOVE a fallout mmo. I remember rumors way back when of one before bethesda bought the series.0 -
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✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Id buy another one. Id LOVE a fallout mmo. I remember rumors way back when of one before bethesda bought the series.
That's the thing though eh? A few years ago I said "Id LOVE an elder scrolls mmo" ... I'd still say that, but with the caveat of "I'd LOVE an elder scrolls mmo managed by anyone other than ZOS".6 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Id buy another one. Id LOVE a fallout mmo. I remember rumors way back when of one before bethesda bought the series.
That's the thing though eh? A few years ago I said "Id LOVE an elder scrolls mmo" ... I'd still say that, but with the caveat of "I'd LOVE an elder scrolls mmo managed by anyone other than ZOS".
I love this game too. Believe it or not a lot of people really like this game.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Again the point flies right over your head. First off we have no proof whatsoever that entire 300 mil is spent. Second like I said new offices require a lot of money to get going. Now that those offices are there they wont need to be built again. Thirdly how do you know ZOS isnt working on anything else. Maybe they just havent announced it yet. Fallout MMO comes to mind.
According to their website, "ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
That pretty much tells me that they are working on something, although I can only guess what. I think that Fallout would make a horrible MMO, but that is just me. Hopefully, they are working on ESO related stuff. They are a long way from being done with ESO and I would hate to see them divided at a time when they really need to be concentrating on making ESO right.
While I would not say that anyone who purchases another MMO from ZOS should have their head examined, I would seriously question whether ZOS was making good decisions if they brought out another MMO before they got the first one right.
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✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Again the point flies right over your head. First off we have no proof whatsoever that entire 300 mil is spent. Second like I said new offices require a lot of money to get going. Now that those offices are there they wont need to be built again. Thirdly how do you know ZOS isnt working on anything else. Maybe they just havent announced it yet. Fallout MMO comes to mind.
According to their website, "ZOS continues to work on ESO DLC, continuing support and maintenance, as well as unannounced projects."
That pretty much tells me that they are working on something, although I can only guess what. I think that Fallout would make a horrible MMO, but that is just me. Hopefully, they are working on ESO related stuff. They are a long way from being done with ESO and I would hate to see them divided at a time when they really need to be concentrating on making ESO right.
While I would not say that anyone who purchases another MMO from ZOS should have their head examined, I would seriously question whether ZOS was making good decisions if they brought out another MMO before they got the first one right.
Id so play a fallout MMO lol. Its a take my money moment.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They didn't spend 300 Million on ESO..hell they didn't even break 200 Million.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭"Lag fix incoming guys, i-it's really happening now g-guys, please trust us!"
The Elder Zergs Online
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✭Oh mates, fixing lag? They cant put 3 lines of code right to stack anniversary xp bonus with other xp bonuses. Do you understand how bad it looks? Z. screws the smallest things and its really common for Z.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Spend many years developing a worthy successor to Dark Ages of Camelot, using one the biggest franchises in gaming.
Somewhere during development realize that Skyrim sold quite a few copies and decide to turn the game into Skyrim Online.
Market your game before the release as a subscription-online MMO that seems to be targeted at the hardcore MMO crowd, not the B2P/F2P crowd.
Botch the launch of your game, botch the post-release support of your game and nearly completely miss your target audience.
Turn the game into a B2P game in order to make some of that lost money back from the PC players as well as clearing the way for the console masses to be lured in and make some more money to make up for your loss of investment.
Continue to completely botch your post-re-release support. (Re)introduce more bugs than you actually fix.
Welcome to ESO in 2016. Please buy some more costumes, pets and most certainly don't forget about our next piece of hastily released PvE content of questionable quality and longevity.Edited by Lava_Croft on April 4, 2016 9:28PM11 -
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Lol I can tell you never taken a proper class in trolling. No memes rofl. Judging from how you show up in every single thread critical of ZOS all day every day, I'm inclined to believe that you have never written a piece of code yourself.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
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✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »
Lol I can tell you never taken a proper class in trolling. No memes rofl. Judging from how you show up in every single thread critical of ZOS all day every day, I'm inclined to believe that you have never written a piece of code yourself.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
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NobleNerd✭✭✭✭Oh mates, fixing lag? They cant put 3 lines of code right to stack anniversary xp bonus with other xp bonuses. Do you understand how bad it looks? Z. screws the smallest things and its really common for Z.
Don't forget how bad the 64 bit client was is! It is really hard to botch a 64 bit client the way they did
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