[Reddit] Matt Firor claims "dramatic" PvP lag fix incoming

Alcast

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

Derra

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

Raizin

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

only similarity with archeage there might be the cash shop - WHICH WE DONT KNOW nothing about, just that they have removed some strong p2w items - that we know (i wld give u a source, but u wld just get redirected to main forum, its broken atm), but nothing else.

Other then that, it doesnt share anything with AA...

Armitas

Why do i even bother with these forums when all communication from ZOS is on reddit? Thanks for linking this for those of us who actually think these are the official forums.

You know if I post a duplicate topic on here you will close my thread and redirect to the primary one so that all the communication is in one place. Does that reasoning not also apply here? Having two forums, your own being the secondary forums, does nothing but ensure that all of the community receives half the communication. It's also disrespectful to the people that came here on your forums to stay up-to-date, and who now have to search through two different forums for that.

Derra

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

only similarity with archeage there might be the cash shop - WHICH WE DONT KNOW nothing about, just that they have removed some strong p2w items - that we know (i wld give u a source, but u wld just get redirected to main forum, its broken atm), but nothing else.

Other then that, it doesnt share anything with AA...

I just meant the general approach people have about the game: Being overly optimistic/enthusiastic bc they´re unhappy with their current game.

Like i said by the information openly available (not promises or sth else) i have no idea what about that game would be interesting.

Raizin

Derra wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

only similarity with archeage there might be the cash shop - WHICH WE DONT KNOW nothing about, just that they have removed some strong p2w items - that we know (i wld give u a source, but u wld just get redirected to main forum, its broken atm), but nothing else.

Other then that, it doesnt share anything with AA...

I just meant the general approach people have about the game: Being overly optimistic/enthusiastic bc they´re unhappy with their current game.

Like i said by the information openly available (not promises or sth else) i have no idea what about that game would be interesting.

oh yea, hype is real ... like with every new game .... wait for CU that will be the true HYPE train.

Jules

Xjcon wrote: »

What's odd is we have huge battles during the day time in Azuras Star, but at night when the AOE groups start their thing huge lag spikes occur.

How about doing away with AOE in cyrodiil. How much could that possibly hurt the game? Why complicate things?

I've just recently decided to focus on AvA so I'm may be off to the cause of those lag trains.

This would make larger groups stronger. Wanna know why?

24 people single targeting down 6 people. If you are out numbered and have no AOE aka no ability to hit multiple targets at same time, you are at a distinct disadvantage because you just won't be able to ST down 24 people fast enough unless a) they're really bad and/or b) you're really good.

Though AOEs are widely renowned in this game as a tool merely used by zerglings, if you think about it logically, it's actually a tool meant for the outnumbered few. Who needs aoe when you are the larger group? AOE favors the smaller group bc you can do damage to multiple targets as they surround and overwhelm you. It's the AOE caps that are directly harmful to small group, not the AOEs themselves.

Ishammael

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

only similarity with archeage there might be the cash shop - WHICH WE DONT KNOW nothing about, just that they have removed some strong p2w items - that we know (i wld give u a source, but u wld just get redirected to main forum, its broken atm), but nothing else.

Other then that, it doesnt share anything with AA...

I just meant the general approach people have about the game: Being overly optimistic/enthusiastic bc they´re unhappy with their current game.

Like i said by the information openly available (not promises or sth else) i have no idea what about that game would be interesting.

oh yea, hype is real ... like with every new game .... wait for CU that will be the true HYPE train.

I watched a bunch of videos about BDO. I actually thought it looked like crap.

Also, I read the comments Teargrants posted just about when they had posted them. I'll believe it when I see it.

Etaniel

Ishammael wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

only similarity with archeage there might be the cash shop - WHICH WE DONT KNOW nothing about, just that they have removed some strong p2w items - that we know (i wld give u a source, but u wld just get redirected to main forum, its broken atm), but nothing else.

Other then that, it doesnt share anything with AA...

I just meant the general approach people have about the game: Being overly optimistic/enthusiastic bc they´re unhappy with their current game.

Like i said by the information openly available (not promises or sth else) i have no idea what about that game would be interesting.

oh yea, hype is real ... like with every new game .... wait for CU that will be the true HYPE train.

I watched a bunch of videos about BDO. I actually thought it looked like crap.

Same. None of the videos for that game came close to hook me

Alcast

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

I have yet not played it, I just saw some videos, I am not very confident it will be good tbh, but IF, IF the pvp there has no issues like here (lag/fps drops) then well, I will play that game even if its worse.

What good is it when ESO would be very good but you cannot f...ply the f... game bc of HUGE LAG ISSUES/FPS DROPS.
And to be fair, even the Forum is dieing, viewcount of threads went down rapidly, I am not sure if ESO will recover from the huge loss it had over this and last year.

Elsonso

Cinbri wrote: »

I really waiting 64 bit client. Hope it will increase performance a little bit.

They are claiming a dramatic performance increase on the Mac. I suspect that this is due to libraries that they use on the Mac. They added, as an afterthought, a comment about Windows, but I think that it is Mac that will really see the benefit. Let's hope that they did more than just port to 64-bit and actually are going to use some of that extra memory.

Armitas wrote: »

Why do i even bother with these forums when all communication from ZOS is on reddit? Thanks for linking this for those of us who actually think these are the official forums.

They use Reddit because it makes the conversation open to a wider potential audience. I don't think that they could actually do it in Vanilla Forums (the forum software here) as easily. I can see how Vanilla Forums could do it, but it would require work from ZOS and may require payment to Vanilla, and it would still not allow as wide of an audience.

They advertised it in advance in a sticky on the forum, with a link provided when the Reddit discussion was created. Links to Reddit started appearing immediately afterwards, including links to what every developer said during the event. It is really not possible to regularly follow the official forums (here) and not know what was going on over at Reddit.

That said, not everyone regularly follows the forum. Some are casual forum users and may stop by once a week. Over that span of time, a lot is said and posted that is gone already, including a lot of the links and discussions about this subject. People hate to search for stuff,so even if ZOS posted information on this forum, people would still not see all of it.

Turelus wrote: »

Shame none of this information could be announced in an article on the games website, say a map of a road head or something...

I hate to be sarcastic regarding their work but I really don't want to troll through unofficial forums or wait for someone (a player none the less) to cross post that information so I am aware of it. Information about updates should be here first and foremost, otherwise why do we have these forums when we could all use Reddit?

They should compile a list of questions with answers and post it, much the same way that they compile the ESO Live questions and answers and (usually) post it in a timely manner.

However, it was clear to me from the start of the game that the "official forums" are for our pleasure so that we, the players, can talk about the game among ourselves. The forum structure, how the forum works, the level of developer participation, what the Community Managers did at the start, and what ZOS has done since, all point to them not really intending to use the forum in the manner that the players seem to have expected. I do not think they really intended for the forums to be any sort of formal conduit between development and players. On some level, I think that this remains the case. They are not staffed for the forum to perform this role.

Darlgon

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Hm. I just took 5 attacks I never saw coming (again) other than my character stuttered a little bit before I fell over dead, wonder if that will get fixed too. lol

I am currently fighting NPC mobs, killing them.. and they stay upright, with 1 pt health, while I swing at them for 10 seconds. Lag? in PVE? Something is so screwed with their code..

This.. saying players have to watch Facebook, Reddit, TwitchTV, YouTube and Moms Washing Machine Online.com.. Is getting old. WHY THE HELL HAVE OFFICIAL FORUMS if you dont want to use them..

Oh.. wait.. maybe thats the goal. They know if the posted that stuff here, they would be roasted, just like when players find out the trash they are spewing, recycled since launch.

Sigh.. time to take a few hours off the computer.

Galalin

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

Alcast

Darlgon wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Hm. I just took 5 attacks I never saw coming (again) other than my character stuttered a little bit before I fell over dead, wonder if that will get fixed too. lol

I am currently fighting NPC mobs, killing them.. and they stay upright, with 1 pt health, while I swing at them for 10 seconds. Lag? in PVE? Something is so screwed with their code..

This.. saying players have to watch Facebook, Reddit, TwitchTV, YouTube and Moms Washing Machine Online.com.. Is getting old. WHY THE HELL HAVE OFFICIAL FORUMS if you dont want to use them..

Oh.. wait.. maybe thats the goal. They know if the posted that stuff here, they would be roasted, just like when players find out the trash they are spewing, recycled since launch.

Sigh.. time to take a few hours off the computer.

They would just remove the comment/close thread if that would be the case. >.> You know, code of conduct and stuff like that...lol zos

Talcyndl

Jules wrote: »

Who needs aoe when you are the larger group?

"Need" or not, the blob groups that are (almost certainly) the cause of the most serious lag issues, rely on spamming AoE damage and heals. It is vital to their play style.

On the other hand, I basically agree that AoE could serve a counter-zerg function. It just doesn't as the game stands. Two main reasons: (1) The AoE cap and (2) Healing is prioritized for low health allies which, when being spammed in a blob, easily overcomes evenly spread out incoming damage.

That's why I think the best way to address the blob issue is to nerf both AoE damage and healing whenever the "caster" is surrounded by a large number of allies.

You could then leave AoE's capped to prevent the superman characters of old (although lack of dynamic ulti would mostly prevent that anyway).

The only issue is whether the servers could handle the calculations.

Soulac

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

Well the beta won't be 24/7 tho

Xeven

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

I'm just gonna say it.

CU looks terrible.

Rust_in_Peace

Reddit AMA's are really annoying to read through, but posting it there instead of here gets more coverage because you don't need a copy of ESO to post and read on reddit.

They also answered something like 500 questions and had multiple devs answering different questions so it's a lot of info to sort through.

Reverb

Sounds promising, but talk is cheap.

Ishammael

Xeven wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

I'm just gonna say it.

CU looks terrible.

It does. It's also not even out of alpha. There are no skills or classes implemented yet.

At least their devs say the right things, re: their vision for the game.

Soulac

Xeven wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

I'm just gonna say it.

CU looks terrible.

I wish I were allowed to post screenshots just to prove you wrong.
In my opinion it looks amazing right now and they're still improving the looks of the game.
It's your opinion about it, sure, but at least explain it..

Rust_in_Peace

Xeven wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

I'm just gonna say it.

CU looks terrible.

Agreed. Everything I've seen so far looks extremely dated and boring.

Raizin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If they do not fix this stuff pre-BDO release then well RIP the game for good. And I am not confident they will

I feel like bdo shares a lot with archage in that regard. Insane expectations not backed up by the material actually available. Only looking at what´s shown i honestly have no idea why i would/should buy that game ._.

only similarity with archeage there might be the cash shop - WHICH WE DONT KNOW nothing about, just that they have removed some strong p2w items - that we know (i wld give u a source, but u wld just get redirected to main forum, its broken atm), but nothing else.

Other then that, it doesnt share anything with AA...

I've played the Japanese beta and the game looks incredible graphics wise; animations are fantastic like with most Asian mmo's, you can parkour around like an AssCreed game, the world is massive. Problem is the pvp is going to be a huge disappointment; they originally wanted it to be open world with some kind of justice system but now unless you ask someone for a duel or do a prearranged GuildvsGuild fight there are big restrictions on "ganking" due to the karma system.

Like other people said it's going to end up like Archeage; the game seems really cool but once the limitations set in and you see that you need to get items that are cash shop only to upgrade your gear it's going to die a month or 2 after release like all Korean pay2win grindfests.

Mumyo

Lag decrease was their #1 pvp effort since release and it got worse, i go print those words out and make my ass eat it.....

babanovac

Xeven wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

I'm just gonna say it.

CU looks terrible.

No hope for PVPers in the next 2-3 years...

I'm also following Crowfall because they plan to implement collision detection in PvP, but both CU and Crowfall seem to be way below AAA standards. I'm not getting my hopes up for any of them.

Imdrefan

Xeven wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

More empty promises... well atleast they are sticking through thier business model of lie through thier teeth and the phrase we all know and love "We are working on it" pffft lol yeah right. If they spent half as much time working on it as they do saying they are working on it then this game may have had a hope.. CU beta and im outs here

DK SCRUB OUT

I'm just gonna say it.

CU looks terrible.

All opinions aside, ESO is a beautiful game but no one cares how good it looks when gameplay plummets in PvP. CU looks so attractive because of its large scale gameplay.

Elsonso

Soulac wrote: »

I wish I were allowed to post screenshots just to prove you wrong.
In my opinion it looks amazing right now and they're still improving the looks of the game.
It's your opinion about it, sure, but at least explain it..

Static screen shots do not matter. What matters is when those screen shots start moving. I have no reason to think CU will be better. They delayed due to a dev leaving.

Meanwhile, ZOS gets a bad rap, but I have no doubt that they think this physics change is mega significant. This type of core update is not only complicated, but costly. If this is the problem, and fixing it addresses the lag in a significant manner, then I find no fault in their resolve.

Soulac

I mean it looks really terrible, doesn´t it?



It´s nowhere near black desert, but still amazing for a mmorpg.
You think anyone can handle black desert graphics in fights as huge as in eso? Keep dreaming.
As long as CU delivers awesome PvP it´s gonna be my and many others next game.

I wonder if i get banned for these screenshots tho..

Weberda

lordrichter wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

I wish I were allowed to post screenshots just to prove you wrong.
In my opinion it looks amazing right now and they're still improving the looks of the game.
It's your opinion about it, sure, but at least explain it..

Static screen shots do not matter. What matters is when those screen shots start moving. I have no reason to think CU will be better. They delayed due to a dev leaving.

Meanwhile, ZOS gets a bad rap, but I have no doubt that they think this physics change is mega significant. This type of core update is not only complicated, but costly. If this is the problem, and fixing it addresses the lag in a significant manner, then I find no fault in their resolve.

The fault that I find in their "resolve" concerns their honesty about the thing. Most of us who have been here since the beginning figured out a long time ago something was wrong with the core of the game. I'm pretty sure the devs did too but mostly what we got was a few vague statements about how Cyrodiil's performance was important to them and they were working on making it better etc. etc. etc. However now they're having major latency issues even in PvE areas so I suspect that's the reason you finally saw such an admission on Reddit.

Like most others on here I'll believe it when I see it. And if they do try to make a major fix be prepared for the one thing most of us have come to expect after every major patch/update - unintended consequences. I can't even begin to imagine what could go wrong with something like this.

Manoekin

Soulac wrote: »

I mean it looks really terrible, doesn´t it?



It´s nowhere near black desert, but still amazing for a mmorpg.
You think anyone can handle black desert graphics in fights as huge as in eso? Keep dreaming.
As long as CU delivers awesome PvP it´s gonna be my and many others next game.

I wonder if i get banned for these screenshots tho..

CU could very well be an amazing game. However it's clear it's still only in alpha. I just can't hype myself up for a game I can't see being released within the next year.

I haven't played enough of BDO to comment accurately, but watching videos and streams my guild has of the PvP it looks fun to me, and they're fighting with like 5 people against entire guilds and winning or doing very well. No lag. We will see, but for now it looks promising to me.

These updates from the devs about changes to the core of the game is also promising for ESO, too. If these are coming and soon like they say they are... I'm really excited for that. We all agree the lag is still horrible right now, but I think also that it's better than 1.6 lag by a mile.

Rust_in_Peace

Soulac wrote: »

You think anyone can handle black desert graphics in fights as huge as in eso? Keep dreaming.

BDO has better optimization than ESO and has the benefit of being in beta for over a year in Korea, Japan and Russia to iron out any bugs. I played the Japanese client and had hardly any lag in North America.