Due to racial imbalance, high elf is the most popular race by far, followed by dark elf

Grendel_at_ESO · May 2018

Lysette wrote: »

Grendel_at_ESO wrote: »

Why would anyone pick a race because of how it looks? Other than tails on lizards and cats they all look the same from behind.

This is not a matter of looks or the performance to me - playing a Khajiit or Argonian comes from the very heart. I really like their ways and appearance and in every TES game I played a Khajiit first. Argonians are somewhat hated or disliked by a lot of the other races and I don't know why really, they are in their own way smart and resourceful, so I have a heart for them as well. I have a dislike of Altmer though, even I play one as well - but in general I dislike their high-nosed arrogant comments.

Well to each their own but I don't RP.

dazee · May 2018

Just buff bretons already to put them on par with altmer for damage.

dazee · May 2018

Grendel_at_ESO wrote: »

Why would anyone pick a race because of how it looks? Other than tails on lizards and cats they all look the same from behind.

If you can't understand this I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you've been drinking?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2018

dazee wrote: »

Just buff bretons already to put them on par with altmer for damage.

But why? Breton's are the defense mages in elder scrolls lore, high elfs are always more offensive.

And if an extra 4% elemental damage kills your build, you need to look at your build.

Lylith · May 2018

so, make everyone the same?

where have i heard that kind of stupidity before?

ilikepickles · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Like i said racial bonuses ruined ESO at least in creating characters.. Very annoying..

Needs a balance overhaul.

Knowledge wrote: »

People love elves. A lot of players, believe it or not, just choose race based on appearance. I doubt the majority of the player base is concerned with min maxing.

Most people will go for 5%-10% more damage out of a character over looks.. no matter what..

You have that backwards. Most people couldn't care less about the top 5% of play, and choose looks/preference over performance.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · May 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Those achievements in now way depict how popular a race is. Yes high elf is presumably the most populated, but I don't see nearly as many dark elves as I do redguards.

That's just in PvP as well and a lot of people are dead set against PvP at all.

Race isn't crucial unless you're a min/max person. My sorcerer used to be a wood elf before race changed and honestly I did not notice a huge spike in dps or my ability to kill players in PvP. This was a magicka build and wood elf doesn't help magicka at all with passives.

If a racial means a difference between 300 extra spell damage and way higher resource pool... It's not even a min maxer thing. That there is a a HUGE disadvantage.

The game released with soft/hard caps on stats, if I remember correctly attribute points were never put into one stat, as they are now, because you got to the point where you could put 10 points into a stat but only get 1 point, meaning those 10 points were best used somewhere else. I seem to remember my Altmer being constantly soft capped even while leveling.
Altmers have always benefitted from the increased shock damage, as Dunmer benefitted from increased flame damage, the stat pool benefits only became more useable when the game changed and soft caps were removed.

SilverIce58 · May 2018

Grendel_at_ESO wrote: »

Why would anyone pick a race because of how it looks? Other than tails on lizards and cats they all look the same from behind.

Someone's fun at parties.

Skullstachio · May 2018

Orcs are just as good, they could even be on par with high elves but as the Stamina part, you know as some people seem to forget the combination of 4% added melee damage & 6% extra max health & stamina which clears the orcs up as the best melee stamina race for most builds/characters.

After checking the Uesp (Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages) I conclude that the high elves & orcs are the yin & yang of tamriel to a degree, as high elves are the centerfold of magicka with their increased magicka reserves & recovery alongside the added 4% flame, frost & shock damage, whilst the Orcs are the centerfold of Stamina with increased Health & Stamina (6% which is 4% less than the high elves magicka.) but they also have 4% Extra melee damage in addition to increased Health recovery & healing received which in turn, gives them equal measure in power.

JWKe · May 2018

It's ESO so don't take it too serious... i stick to my Orcs and idgaf.

Skullstachio · May 2018

JWKe wrote: »

It's ESO so don't take it too serious... i stick to my Orcs and idgaf.

Damn right...

code65536 · May 2018

Argonians are second to last? Wut? I swear, it feels like everyone in PvP is a lizard these days.

Or maybe they're second to last because they're harder to kill?

MattT1988 · May 2018

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

I'm not sure of the thrust of the argument here. Racial passives have been a staple of Elder Scrolls games since the beginning. If you want to be a magicka character then choose a race with magicka passives, High Elf and Breton being the best. If you want a stamina based character then it's Redguard or Bosmer, for a stealth build, Khajiit, tank build Nord or Argonian and so on and so on. Where is the imbalance? My high elf can nuke things but she has to make the choice between dodge rolling or blocking because she has no stam and if something more dangerous than a big sneeze hits her she is dead. It would only be an imbalance if she also had huge health and stamina and no other race did. And yes, you have killed more High Elves in PvP because they have mucho attack but no defence, it's not rocket science.

There is imbalance in that some races downright suck (like nord), while other races, although decent, are far from optimal (altmer/dunmer is noticeably better than breton at magicka DPS, redguard is better at stamina DPS than everyone else, argonian is noticeably better at tanking/healing than anyone else).

Unbalanced racial passives greatly limit what races you can play if you want to min-max.

Ah fair enough, I know poor Nords need some serious tweaking passive wise, and to be fair I don't min max. I chose High Elf in the beta because that's what I'd always played in Elder Scrolls games when I wanted to be a magika char. I chose my redguard stam build for the same reason. And my tanks in ES games were always Nord, but yeah that didn't work out so well in ESO.

??? Nords are fine for tanking end game content. Mine does. Is there slightly better races? Sure. But don’t think you can’t do vet trials or 3 dps VDSA with a Nord tank.

STEVIL · May 2018

"How do you know that the pvp kill charts show how popular a race is? Maybe it shows how weak they are! After all, you couldn't kill as many of the other races....."

I am reminded of th ww2 story of how they were planning how to armor planes based on the higher number of bulletholes in ones that came back after fights, until someone pointed out that logical error... Lotsa holes in survivong planes show non-critical areas not critical ones.

zaria · May 2018

STEVIL wrote: »

"How do you know that the pvp kill charts show how popular a race is? Maybe it shows how weak they are! After all, you couldn't kill as many of the other races....."

I am reminded of th ww2 story of how they were planning how to armor planes based on the higher number of bulletholes in ones that came back after fights, until someone pointed out that logical error... Lotsa holes in survivong planes show non-critical areas not critical ones.

LOL, should be pretty obvious, guess tail got lots of hits anyway if you shoot late, but tail has few critical parts, the most vulnerable parts would be pilot and engine.

For the kill list, Altmer is the most popular race, however both Argonian and Khajiit are more popular than orcs.
And as you say, races who are popular for tank builds would be killed less.
Add that lots of PvE players who pvp for skill or transmute crystals can not really pvp.

Ilithyania · May 2018

that many NORDS really?

Thought this was the race everyone started out with, but quickly changed, due to passives.

Bam_Bam · May 2018

Benemime wrote: »

It's frustrating playing with magicka character knowing that you are very behind if you are not playing with a high elf, so, because of that, we see a lot of high elves filling every alliance, high elf in daggerfall covenant, ebonheart, etc.

I was checking my achievements and noticed something that I already suspected: high elves are the most popular race (and they don't even look that good?)

Under the "Player VS Player" achievement section, I was checking numbers for every race (the race slayer achievement, kill X players from a specific race), here are my numbers:

1st: 54 high elves already killed
2nd: 46 - dark elf
3rd: 31 - wood elf
4th: 24 - nord
5th: 23 - redguard
6th: 15 - Breton
7/8th: 14/14 - khajits and orcs
9th: 13 - argonians
10th: 9 - imperials

They might be the most popular. But they certainly aren't the best - your own numbers prove that.

DPShiro · May 2018

No, all that is wrong.
Altmer is more popular since they are supreme and better in every way compared to the lesser races.

TheValar85 · May 2018

well Breton is not that low, we have nice magicka regen too

but honestly bretons need a bit of love to increase their elemental damage as well. or an over all magic damage buffs.

lassitershawn · May 2018

Racial balance in this game is trash. As a Breton magsorc compared to Dunmer or Altmer I'm easily losing several K DPS, JUST from the loss of elemental damage passive. Anyone without the max mag is screwed.
To fix, just buff some of the weaker races:
Make Nords tankier or better sustain (stamina).
Give Bretons magic damage (7-9%) or make sustain noticeably better than Altmer.
Buff Imperial sustain or tankiness.
Minor buff to Orsimer.

These changes would make Orcs and Bretons more competitive as DPS (still less than their Altmer/Dunmer/Redguard/Khajiit counterparts but with a tad more tankiness to make up for it) as well as make Nords and Imperials good choices for tank in addition to Argonian.

Menelaos · May 2018

It's not racial imbalance. It's just the cultural truth

Enslaved · May 2018

I PvP quite a lot. On 6 characters I have at least Major Grade I rank, and other nine are all at least AvA 13. Only on 3 characters I have all races killed 100x. On others, least killed race is Nord. I think this is because

Nord have passives that make them far from good in ppl's eyes
Nord is not very popular because Zos made them look like drunkards

Zinaroth · May 2018

According to your statistics Nords are also the fourth best race (following your logic).

lardvader · May 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

People love elves. A lot of players, believe it or not, just choose race based on appearance. I doubt the majority of the player base is concerned with min maxing.

Yeah I have a few characters with minmaxing in mind but my dunmers is simply the result of me being shallow and liking the looks of dark elf girls

Also my imperial stamSorc will stay that way because she looks cool

Feanor · May 2018

It does matter if you’re going after trial scores. Other than that, not really.

TheNorthernDragon · May 2018

DPShiro wrote: »

No, all that is wrong.
Altmer is more popular since they are supreme and better in every way compared to the lesser races.

How do you get your MAGA hat over your pointy elf ears? Much less the white hood on holidays and special occasions....

Sylosi · May 2018

"very behind", "huge disadvantage", "differences are massive"...

You boys all need to go find a dictionary, because having for example the 7% extra elemental damage is none of those things.

TheValar85 · May 2018

lassitershawn wrote: »

Racial balance in this game is trash. As a Breton magsorc compared to Dunmer or Altmer I'm easily losing several K DPS, JUST from the loss of elemental damage passive. Anyone without the max mag is screwed.
To fix, just buff some of the weaker races:
Make Nords tankier or better sustain (stamina).
Give Bretons magic damage (7-9%) or make sustain noticeably better than Altmer.
Buff Imperial sustain or tankiness.
Minor buff to Orsimer.

These changes would make Orcs and Bretons more competitive as DPS (still less than their Altmer/Dunmer/Redguard/Khajiit counterparts but with a tad more tankiness to make up for it) as well as make Nords and Imperials good choices for tank in addition to Argonian.

it would definetly help alot to the bretons to have damage buffs.

Tabbycat · May 2018

DPShiro wrote: »

No, all that is wrong.
Altmer is more popular since they are supreme and better in every way compared to the lesser races.

Yes, you are right. They are clearly better at dying in PvP.

TheValar85 · May 2018

Tabbycat wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

No, all that is wrong.
Altmer is more popular since they are supreme and better in every way compared to the lesser races.

Yes, you are right. They are clearly better at dying in PvP.

so true XDDD