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Is 20% off crowns enough discount to get you to purchase?
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesMLGProPlayer wrote: »Game population has never been healthier.
So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.
I think you just made our point.
Or they're just trying to maximise profits, like every other business on the planet.Edited by MLGProPlayer on May 5, 2018 4:24PM0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I will never buy crowns at any priceMLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Game population has never been healthier.
So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.
I think you just made our point.
Or they're just trying to maximise profits, like every other business on the planet.
Or slowly killing itself like Swtor?7 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoBetween the artificial scarcity tactics and the price gouging happening with the crown store, I’ve given up collecting cosmetics for this game. Not worth it.PS4 Pro NA7 -
thetookybird✭✭No750 pack is still 8$ for myself, and fellow Canuckian nerds. Pretty much, it covers the exchange rate... Sooo, no thank you. Rather stick with my sub crowns.| NA | PC | Daggerfall Covenant
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KivakWolf✭✭✭NoMLGProPlayer wrote: »Or they're just trying to maximise profits, like every other business on the planet.
At the end of the day, businesses can choose to charge what they want. But customers can also choose not to buy. If a business chooses to gouge their customer base when there are PLENTY of other products on the market, they do so at their own peril.
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Lake✭✭✭✭✭NoLooks like the thread has been moved by the mods into the lesser-frequented "Crown Store & ESO Plus" subcategory to minimize visibility.
Edited by Lake on May 5, 2018 5:01PM8 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭NoI think the difference in the way people feel about 20% vs 40-50% is what they feel the value of crowns are to them personally. My wife and I have no problem spending $300+ when crowns are on sale at 40% or 50% off. That feels like decent value for what we get. Crowns at full price or 20% don't have enough value for us to spend the cash.
We're in the "older, financially comfortable" demographic...one of the secrets to becoming financially comfortable, is to understand the value to you for what you're purchasing. We also budget our gaming expenses. We're still going to spend that money we would have spent on crowns, but we'll spend it on other entertainment items that give us more perceived value. We've worked, and continue to work, hard for our money. Companies have to do a little work to get us to spend it with them. You won't see me giving a corporation money because they NEED my support...they need to EARN my support.
As it is, we're actively looking for an ESO replacement because, in general, it's starting to feel a little like ZOS is taking advantage of us. There are a couple of MMOs in development that have the potential to lure us away. Still love ESO the game, just not ESO the money grab. While part of that is "just cosmetic", the cosmetics are part of the fun factor that can keep you coming back. Since it's getting to the point where we just ignore the cosmetics more and more, some of the fun in acquiring new things has disappeared and we find we play a little bit less and less each week.
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This is exactly how I feel - I set aside cash for crowns - but the discount didn't make them seem worthwhile to me so will spend that cash on clothes now - so I guess ZOS have bettered my wardrobe - yay thanks -it's a win win for me then
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AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Game population has never been healthier.
So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.
I think you just made our point.
Or they're just trying to maximise profits, like every other business on the planet.
Or slowly killing itself like Swtor?
Literally like SWTOR. The worst thing ZOS ever did was hiring Heather Powers to monetize the game.I'm hurting for crowns, so I did buy some. Though I bought considerably less than I normally would ($$-wise even)
People are going to buy. But I have a feeling that many won't. I'd love to buy some sale crowns right now, but this is just the latest example of ZOS putting profits before people. The monetization decisions that they've chosen in the past year alone have taken us down a dark path that I really don't want to go down.
So what's really important is that everyone voice their concerns about this, regardless of what people have bought or not bought. ZOS needs to see and know that this isn't okay.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa6 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesFolks, 20% is better than 0% off, which is the case for almost every day of the year!
No. It's not.
This kind of justification is just what ZOS is counting on to let this *** slide.
We've had consistent sales with 40-50% off for years now. This is just another spit in the face from ZOS.
When they bring the discount down to 10%, you'll be begging for 20%.
Actually, I'll just stop buying crowns altogether.
I won't support scumbag business tactics. Unlike some.
What's considered "scumbag business tactics"? What is the line between proper and improper?0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoFolks, 20% is better than 0% off, which is the case for almost every day of the year!
No. It's not.
This kind of justification is just what ZOS is counting on to let this *** slide.
We've had consistent sales with 40-50% off for years now. This is just another spit in the face from ZOS.
When they bring the discount down to 10%, you'll be begging for 20%.
Actually, I'll just stop buying crowns altogether.
I won't support scumbag business tactics. Unlike some.
What's considered "scumbag business tactics"? What is the line between proper and improper?
You know well enough. It's not that hard to identify practices that are anti-consumer.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
BludOfKingsSoul Shriven@Cavedog
Your question makes the assumption that I would only buy crowns if, and when, they are on sale. Like many ESO gamers, I buy crowns if, and when I need them. So, the crown pack sales have been opportunities for gamers like myself to stock up on some extra crowns. Until now the sale price has always been the same. You need only look at the 5500 crowns pack sale price to understand why people are so displeased with ZOS over this 20 percent "sale". Since the first time they put crowns on sale, the price of the 5500 crown pack was $24.99; The same price as the 3000 crown pack's normal price.
The previous crown sale was the first time the 14000, and 21000 crown packs where available (during a sale), and the price of those two packs where fifty percent off. I am not disappointed because they are not fifty percent off. I am disappointed because they changed the sale price of all crown packs. I fully expected the 21000 crown pack to cost $99.99; the same price as the 14000 crown pack's normal price. I think that I, like many ESO gamers who buy crowns somewhat regularly, are most displeased because we are the gamers who spend the most actual money playing ESO, and, therbuy, are affected the most by a change such as this. Especially when there are so many better ways for ZOS to better monetise the cuntinued support, and updating of this great game that we all love playing.
P.S.
ZOS,
This is NOT the way to reward those of us who, you desperately want, need, and need to keep, playing, and most importantly, paying for a game that we, in large part, help subsidies. You should take these complaints verey serious, and re-evaluate your priorities.4 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesFolks, 20% is better than 0% off, which is the case for almost every day of the year!
No. It's not.
This kind of justification is just what ZOS is counting on to let this *** slide.
We've had consistent sales with 40-50% off for years now. This is just another spit in the face from ZOS.
When they bring the discount down to 10%, you'll be begging for 20%.
Actually, I'll just stop buying crowns altogether.
I won't support scumbag business tactics. Unlike some.
What's considered "scumbag business tactics"? What is the line between proper and improper?
You know well enough. It's not that hard to identify practices that are anti-consumer.
"Anti-consumer" is debatable. We are talking about discounted crowns, after all. ZOS could very well want to stop offering discounts altogether, but they decided to give 20% to be consumer-friendly.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoFolks, 20% is better than 0% off, which is the case for almost every day of the year!
No. It's not.
This kind of justification is just what ZOS is counting on to let this *** slide.
We've had consistent sales with 40-50% off for years now. This is just another spit in the face from ZOS.
When they bring the discount down to 10%, you'll be begging for 20%.
Actually, I'll just stop buying crowns altogether.
I won't support scumbag business tactics. Unlike some.
What's considered "scumbag business tactics"? What is the line between proper and improper?
You know well enough. It's not that hard to identify practices that are anti-consumer.
"Anti-consumer" is debatable. We are talking about discounted crowns, after all. ZOS could very well want to stop offering discounts altogether, but they decided to give 20% to be consumer-friendly.
*** no. Anti-consumer is not debatable, not in any sense or semblance. We have entire organizations in the real world dedicated to protecting consumers, and they are very good at identifying anti-consumer corporate behavior.
You would be naive to believe that ZOS offered this meager 20% discount out of the kindness of their hearts.
This is merely a test to see how low they can offer this discount and still get enough sales to justify it.
Apparently their mojo worked on you.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa8 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭No"Anti-consumer" is debatable. We are talking about discounted crowns, after all. ZOS could very well want to stop offering discounts altogether, but they decided to give 20% to be consumer-friendly.
They have effectively stopped offering discounted Crowns.
This time last year, 5500 Crowns at full price were £23.99
5500 Crowns during this generous 20% Off Sale are £23.99
Smoke and mirrors.
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✭NoOn the bright side all our current currency is worth less than last year. So effectively while we are giving them the same amount we are actually giving them less!Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0 -
Make2k15✭✭NoNo, not this time. Considered it, but there is nothing coming what I would like to purchase atm. Got 1k crowns already and 9k coming from ESO+ next month. Would it have been 50% off then I would probably have bought the 21k pack though.
I think that 50% discount would have made it very tempting to pile up crowns for the jewelry crafting scrolls for some I'd imagine.1 -
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✭NoThis is the first time I won't be buying crowns or renewing my sub in over two years. I think I'll be spending a lot less time in tamerial with Conan releasing in a few days on ps4. Their run of not having any real competition on consoles is just about up, thankfully.
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoFor the first time ever, I will not be buying crowns on sale
Nice one ZOS
That's where I'm at. I think it's overpriced for crowns, grossly, but I do want stuff from crown store occasionally, so I will buy them during a 50% off sale. I will not buy them at only 20% off. For crowns, 20% off doesn't seem like a sale.
Especially since the price of things is always creeping up too.
Not buying this time either. Planned to buy a LOT for Princely Dawnlight - now lol w/e! Guess I'll be spending it on my RL house instead!2 -
Aurie✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
Well to be quite fair "Crown Store & ESO Plus" is the correct category for this particular thread. But as far as this thread goes generally, that is the only part in which I would support them.
The pathetic 20% sale is rubbish and a huge disappointment. I normally stock up and buy several of the 21000 packs. But this time I will not be buying any at all, if only to make a point.2 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭NoDefinitely pretty disappointing.
Not even just for the whole "feeling disrespected" & " predatory/scummy practices" aspect of it (But trust me, I definitely am feeling that) but also just for the fact it's just not worth it. Hell it wasn't really worth it at 50% lol, but I was able to stomach it somewhat. But 20% is just a flat no.
This, as with many instances already described here, will be a literal sake of them losing out entirely on a purchase & any money from me this sale.
To bad ZoS won't view this for what it is - people feel the prices in the CS are far too high thus why wanting to buy Crowns at a heavily discounted price. Maybe if they would make prices in the CS much more reasonable and less gimmicky, they could just leave Crown prices at normal.
It is less about the cost of crowns at normal prices and more about the ridiculous prices they have been asking since about Homestead for digital in game items. $100+ for a house? $40 for ONE mundus stone? $5 for ONE chair? $15 for a single outfit slot? These prices are just outright stupid, and as another commenter in this thread mentioned, give the feeling of less value and more of a ripoff - to be blunt.
I think this is more a trend that in the longer term is going to hurt ZoS than help them. In their desire to make money in the current month, as time goes on, and more monitization schemes sink into the gameplay, they are going to alienate more and more customers. For a time, other will help make up that loss by buying at ever increasing prices and monetization schemes, but eventually it turns - and turns fast. Just look at SWTOR for example.
Edited by Wayshuba on May 6, 2018 8:42AM4 -
Wayshuba✭✭✭✭✭NoZoS view on this sale is probably simpler than people think. They probably think that if someone was going to spend $300 on a Crown sale they were still going to spend $300 - they just wanted them to get less Crowns for it than normal.
Instead, I bet there are a lot of people who just said no thanks.
The next Crown sale, if there is one, will tell us how successful they were at 20% off.
Edited by Wayshuba on May 6, 2018 8:41AM2 -
Inoki✭✭✭✭YesYes, because everything is voluntary. I pay because I want to see the game around in a few years and people behind it are exceptionally talented and they don't work for free.☁️ Cloud gamer via NVIDIA GeForce NOW
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✭✭✭✭NoWreuntzylla wrote: »Here's the thing. I buy crowns when I want something. there is just something about the half off sale that makes me buy a bunch. Then I spend them on stupid crap I wouldn't otherwise buy because they burn a hole in my pocket. When something else I actually want pops up, I buy full price crowns.
They lost my stupid stuff dollars and maybe more. This game is old now. The only explanation is they realize it's in it's middle age and mostly only franchise fans remain, and they are squeezing their most loyal players...
Pretty craptastic.
I mean I've seen a ton of new players.
It's just crap altogether lol.0 -
NoI hereby declare that the Crown Store be officially renamed to the Clown Store. Because the only ones that participate in this corporate greed are a bunch of clowns.4
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BloodWolfe✭✭✭✭I will never buy crowns at any priceNOPE! I am done with buying anything from ZOS ever again, they lost me forever! They keep getting worse and worse and are now tied with EA in my books. I haven't given EA a dime in probably a decade now and ZOS is right up there and will never again see any money from me (sale or not)!
This is a joke of a sale though, they're just now ruining the Elder Scrolls name. Bethesda needs to step in and take it back from them imo, ZOS is slowly destroying their IP.1 -
Whiphid✭✭✭✭NoMLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Game population has never been healthier.
So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.
I think you just made our point.
Or they're just trying to maximise profits, like every other business on the planet.
Or slowly killing itself like Swtor?
Literally like SWTOR. The worst thing ZOS ever did was hiring Heather Powers to monetize the game.I'm hurting for crowns, so I did buy some. Though I bought considerably less than I normally would ($$-wise even)
People are going to buy. But I have a feeling that many won't. I'd love to buy some sale crowns right now, but this is just the latest example of ZOS putting profits before people. The monetization decisions that they've chosen in the past year alone have taken us down a dark path that I really don't want to go down.
So what's really important is that everyone voice their concerns about this, regardless of what people have bought or not bought. ZOS needs to see and know that this isn't okay.
The monetization is the worst these days. I had money for stocking up on crowns, but this and recent developments have made me decide that I won't be buying the Palace, as there's no way in seven hells that it can be properly decorated with 700 slots with no prospect of an increase. I will save up ESO+ crowns for the Townhouse instead of getting it at release next month, and will most likely skip the crates this season with their BS motif pages.
I'll use my money elsewhere.Edited by Whiphid on May 6, 2018 3:58PMOne land! One Emperor! Who among you will stand with me?
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