Is 20% off crowns enough discount to get you to purchase?

Rohamad_Ali

No

DoctorESO wrote: »

Oh look it’s the same critics of ZOS as always stabbing ZOS's back. Lol pathetic

It's called consumerism and it's an important part of a free economy . Consumers set demand . Companies can charge what ever they like and if it's not a bargain then majority consumers pass . Nothing pathetic about natural capitalism in effect here .

Also worthy of noting that crowns were recently increased in price everywhere so this 20% compared to old crown prices is not really 20% in some opinions . The resistance to the price increase was pacified by the logic of an inevitable crown sale a few times a year makes such change less painful . Now the sale is here and it's less of a sale then ever so naturally customers are not going to celebrate if they have any financial knowledge and concern at all .

No reason to call complaints of such as backstabbing ZoS . No reason at all .

Alexandea

No

I wanted to buy but crowns are NOT on sale on my psn store so no...

Cously

No

Clearly they want to test the waters and see how many people will buy the 20% discount so they can adjust it to be the default, no business wants to lose. I will not buy as I clearly prefer the 40% option, it is bad enough it dropped from 50%. Yes, I'm cheapo.

Ashtaris

No

Really, there is nothing in the crown store right now or in the foreseeable future that I need that badly. I may have purchased the Palace that’s coming up if we had a 40% sale, but not at 20%. Sorry ZOS, but you lost.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

I will never buy crowns at any price

hard to say when i for one have no use for the ones I'm getting via eso+ let aside buy them separately for what? buy crowncrates? not a chance.

Yzalirk

Where is the maybe option?

I possibly would if there was something in the store I really wanted or knew the prices of future items. Seeing the stock we have currently, hell no.

BalticBlues

No

20% only? This is the worst discount ever.
First discounts were 50%, then 40%, 20% now is a joke.
So this is the 1st time I am not buying any crowns...

DoctorESO

Yes

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Oh look it’s the same critics of ZOS as always stabbing ZOS's back. Lol pathetic

It's called consumerism and it's an important part of a free economy . Consumers set demand . Companies can charge what ever they like and if it's not a bargain then majority consumers pass . Nothing pathetic about natural capitalism in effect here .

Also worthy of noting that crowns were recently increased in price everywhere so this 20% compared to old crown prices is not really 20% in some opinions . The resistance to the price increase was pacified by the logic of an inevitable crown sale a few times a year makes such change less painful . Now the sale is here and it's less of a sale then ever so naturally customers are not going to celebrate if they have any financial knowledge and concern at all .

No reason to call complaints of such as backstabbing ZoS . No reason at all .

You missed the comment two above mine.

MinarasLaure

I will never buy crowns at any price

The only reason why I buy crowns is for dlcs.
Summerset is a chapter so they wanted my money, no reason to buy crowns.
I'll wait for a better offer in 4 months time

Rohamad_Ali

No

DoctorESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Oh look it’s the same critics of ZOS as always stabbing ZOS's back. Lol pathetic

It's called consumerism and it's an important part of a free economy . Consumers set demand . Companies can charge what ever they like and if it's not a bargain then majority consumers pass . Nothing pathetic about natural capitalism in effect here .

Also worthy of noting that crowns were recently increased in price everywhere so this 20% compared to old crown prices is not really 20% in some opinions . The resistance to the price increase was pacified by the logic of an inevitable crown sale a few times a year makes such change less painful . Now the sale is here and it's less of a sale then ever so naturally customers are not going to celebrate if they have any financial knowledge and concern at all .

No reason to call complaints of such as backstabbing ZoS . No reason at all .

You missed the comment two above mine.

Oh lol . Use the quotes mang .

DoctorESO

Yes

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Oh look it’s the same critics of ZOS as always stabbing ZOS's back. Lol pathetic

It's called consumerism and it's an important part of a free economy . Consumers set demand . Companies can charge what ever they like and if it's not a bargain then majority consumers pass . Nothing pathetic about natural capitalism in effect here .

Also worthy of noting that crowns were recently increased in price everywhere so this 20% compared to old crown prices is not really 20% in some opinions . The resistance to the price increase was pacified by the logic of an inevitable crown sale a few times a year makes such change less painful . Now the sale is here and it's less of a sale then ever so naturally customers are not going to celebrate if they have any financial knowledge and concern at all .

No reason to call complaints of such as backstabbing ZoS . No reason at all .

You missed the comment two above mine.

Oh lol . Use the quotes mang .

It was supposed to appear right under the comment (not two below), but someone posted a second before me and got in between.

Lysette

geonsocal wrote: »

bad idea by whomever decided to alter the "normal" discount rate...

considering it's all pixels (but real money) - that decision will end up costing zos sales...

Yeah, just about time, that their greed costs them even more money in lost sales.

Lylith

No

nope.

fail sale, zos.

reevaluate.

MLGProPlayer

Yes

pzschrek wrote: »

I'm a little annoyed with all the "it's not enough but I bought *** anyway" crowd.

You only make it so by not buying them now.

If they get less total revenue from 20% then 50%, they'll do it differently next time.

There are things I want coming to the crown store in the next few weeks. Why would I not buy those things at a discounted price?

Buying the new Hew's Bane house and indrik mount for $140 is better than paying $180 for them (CAD). Sure it would have been nice to pay $100 instead, but there is no 40% off sale at the moment. 20% off is still better than 0% when you want something now that won't be around anymore in the future.

I only buy crowns when I need them. And since I need them now, I don't see any reason not to buy them. It's still cheaper than subbing, which I did for over a year (subbing for 21,000 crowns costs $240 CAD).

AlienatedGoat

No

DoctorESO wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Folks, 20% is better than 0% off, which is the case for almost every day of the year!

No. It's not.

This kind of justification is just what ZOS is counting on to let this *** slide.

We've had consistent sales with 40-50% off for years now. This is just another spit in the face from ZOS.

When they bring the discount down to 10%, you'll be begging for 20%.

Actually, I'll just stop buying crowns altogether.

I won't support scumbag business tactics. Unlike some.

AlienatedGoat

No

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you're a company, you try to increase profits. It's what you do. If you want to save 15% or more on car insurance, you switch to...

And if you're a *** company, you try to increase profits by any means necessary, even if it means doing so to the detriment of your customers.

What's your point? That ZOS should be lauded for choosing to squeeze every last dollar out of its players?

People like you who defend anti-consumer business tactics are the reason why the gaming industry is so predatory today.

MLGProPlayer

Yes

Phage wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you're a company, you try to increase profits. It's what you do. If you want to save 15% or more on car insurance, you switch to...

And if you're a *** company, you try to increase profits by any means necessary, even if it means doing so to the detriment of your customers.

What's your point? That ZOS should be lauded for choosing to squeeze every last dollar out of its players?

People like you who defend anti-consumer business tactics are the reason why the gaming industry is so predatory today.

Customers aren't forced to buy anything. Vote with your wallet. If sales are not what they expected at a specific price point, they will re-evaluate.

There is nothing anti-consumer about selling a product at a ridiculous markup. Apple phones and computers are some of the most popular tech on the market, despite being marked up more than any other brand. People buy them, so Apple doesn't change the pricing model. If people stopped buying them, they would become cheaper. That's how free market economics work. There is nothing "anti-consumer" about any of this.

AlienatedGoat

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you're a company, you try to increase profits. It's what you do. If you want to save 15% or more on car insurance, you switch to...

And if you're a *** company, you try to increase profits by any means necessary, even if it means doing so to the detriment of your customers.

What's your point? That ZOS should be lauded for choosing to squeeze every last dollar out of its players?

People like you who defend anti-consumer business tactics are the reason why the gaming industry is so predatory today.

Customers aren't forced to buy anything. Vote with your wallet. If sales are not what they expected at a specific price point, they will re-evaluate.

I do vote with my wallet. Because I have a brain.

I'll also post my strong opposition to this move, as many times as I feel is necessary. I'll also post my opposition to anyone who supports *** business decisions like this.

Anyone who buys crowns at this price point is not only shooting themselves in the foot, but every other person who plays this game.

Lysette

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

I'm a little annoyed with all the "it's not enough but I bought *** anyway" crowd.

You only make it so by not buying them now.

If they get less total revenue from 20% then 50%, they'll do it differently next time.

There are things I want coming to the crown store in the next few weeks. Why would I not buy those things at a discounted price?

Buying the new Hew's Bane house and indrik mount for $140 is better than paying $180 for them (CAD). Sure it would have been nice to pay $100 instead, but there is no 40% off sale at the moment. 20% off is still better than 0% when you want something now that won't be around anymore in the future.

I only buy crowns when I need them. And since I need them now, I don't see any reason not to buy them. It's still cheaper than subbing, which I did for over a year (subbing for 21,000 crowns costs $240 CAD).

Well, yes, but ESO+ comes with benefits, which are necessary, if you play with a bunch of characters and all are crafters as well. 18000 crowns/year is not a whole lot, but subbing is still worth it, not just for the crowns, but the convenience it provides. On the other side, 18k crowns is enough, if they are too greedy to give better discounts on sales. I tended to buy a lot from the crown store in the past, but the more greed I see, the less likely I am to buy something from the crown store.

So far ZOS lost about 2.5k US$ with their greed on my behalf - money I would have spent, if they wouldn't be that awfully greedy. So well, now Ubisoft is getting that and other gaming companies, which give me more value for my money.

phaneub17_ESO

No

I was hoping to buy 2-3 of the 21k crown packs at 50% off and sub for 3 months to max out my future house decorations, but not at these prices; no crowns, no point subbing right now. If this is the only Crown sale before Summerset releases, might as well stop playing until then and wait.

MLGProPlayer

Yes

Lysette wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

I'm a little annoyed with all the "it's not enough but I bought *** anyway" crowd.

You only make it so by not buying them now.

If they get less total revenue from 20% then 50%, they'll do it differently next time.

There are things I want coming to the crown store in the next few weeks. Why would I not buy those things at a discounted price?

Buying the new Hew's Bane house and indrik mount for $140 is better than paying $180 for them (CAD). Sure it would have been nice to pay $100 instead, but there is no 40% off sale at the moment. 20% off is still better than 0% when you want something now that won't be around anymore in the future.

I only buy crowns when I need them. And since I need them now, I don't see any reason not to buy them. It's still cheaper than subbing, which I did for over a year (subbing for 21,000 crowns costs $240 CAD).

Well, yes, but ESO+ comes with benefits, which are necessary, if you play with a bunch of characters and all are crafters as well. 18000 crowns/year is not a whole lot, but subbing is still worth it, not just for the crowns, but the convenience it provides. On the other side, 18k crowns is enough, if they are too greedy to give better discounts on sales. I tended to buy a lot from the crown store in the past, but the more greed I see, the less likely I am to buy something from the crown store.

I don't craft, so those benefits weren't important to me. I subbed for the DLC access and crown allowance. But with "expansions" requiring a separate purchase now, that was no longer worthwhile to me. So I just purchase 14-21k crowns annually now and call it a day. And if there is nothing I want in the store, I won't buy any crowns. I still support the game, but I end up actually saving money this way (not that spending $100+ annually on a video game is ever "saving").

Bigevilpeter

No

but this also means that there won't be another 50% sale soon so if you want a discounted one that is probably your only option.

Might even be the same in all future sales if people still buy

AlienatedGoat

No

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

but this also means that there won't be another 50% sale soon so if you want a discounted one that is probably your only option.

Might even be the same in all future sales if people still buy

I want discounted crowns. The same ones I've always bought.

Buying them now is the worst option. Better to say NO and let ZOS know, through terrible sales, that we're tired of their greedy ***.

Enough monetization. Enough screwing of the customer.

Gnortranermara

No

Nooope. They screwed themselves right out of my money.

Zypheran

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you're a company, you try to increase profits. It's what you do. If you want to save 15% or more on car insurance, you switch to...

Agreed. But when increased profits results in a hit to my wallet, it's only reasonable to voice objection. I hear many people saying that companies need to make profits. This is true and it is for that very reason that people need to object to price hikes. ZOS have an obligation to their investors and stakeholders to try maximise profits. It is only by voicing customer dissatisfaction and ultimately voting with our wallets that will stop ZOS reaching further and further into said wallets!

xaraan

Yes

I have a set amount set aside to spend on crowns a couple times a year when they have sales. I'll still spend what I planned, I'll just end up with less crowns for my money. Not gonna spend more than that though, so in order for ZoS to not have to give me more virtual merchandise they have another less happy customer. Hope it was worth it to them.

Vehlir

No

Definitely pretty disappointing.

It's funny because this was the first sale I was actually planning on participating in. Usually I don't get too excited about Crown Store items, maybe a cool item I gotta have every other month or so.

But with the inevitable plethora of cool mage related stuff (costumes, motifs, HOPEFULLY a house on Artaeum etc) coming with the new chapter, I'm anticipating alot of cool things that'll pique my interest. Planned on loading up this sale for the first time to be ready, but yeah definitely won't be budging now with these rates.

Not even just for the whole "feeling disrespected" & " predatory/scummy practices" aspect of it (But trust me, I definitely am feeling that) but also just for the fact it's just not worth it. Hell it wasn't really worth it at 50% lol, but I was able to stomach it somewhat. But 20% is just a flat no.

This, as with many instances already described here, will be a literal sake of them losing out entirely on a purchase & any money from me this sale.

I've been very forgiving in regards to the CS, but I'm definitely getting less & less satisfied with the way monetization as a whole continues to trend. Between the pretty obnoxiously expensive pricing of many items, Loot Crate Exclusives & now this, they had to have seen some pushback coming. But the question remains, will enough people outside the vocal minority make enough purchases to undermine everything we are saying? I fear the answer will probably be yes.

AlienatedGoat

No

Zypheran wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

If you're a company, you try to increase profits. It's what you do. If you want to save 15% or more on car insurance, you switch to...

Agreed. But when increased profits results in a hit to my wallet, it's only reasonable to voice objection. I hear many people saying that companies need to make profits. This is true and it is for that very reason that people need to object to price hikes. ZOS have an obligation to their investors and stakeholders to try maximise profits. It is only by voicing customer dissatisfaction and ultimately voting with our wallets that will stop ZOS reaching further and further into said wallets!

***-ing truth.

Everyone here that has a reason to object, has a right to object.

Certain players here need to stop trying to silence them.

Wreuntzylla

Here's the thing. I buy crowns when I want something. there is just something about the half off sale that makes me buy a bunch. Then I spend them on stupid crap I wouldn't otherwise buy because they burn a hole in my pocket. When something else I actually want pops up, I buy full price crowns.

They lost my stupid stuff dollars and maybe more. This game is old now. The only explanation is they realize it's in it's middle age and mostly only franchise fans remain, and they are squeezing their most loyal players...

Pretty craptastic.

Zypheran

xaraan wrote: »

I have a set amount set aside to spend on crowns a couple times a year when they have sales. I'll still spend what I planned, I'll just end up with less crowns for my money. Not gonna spend more than that though, so in order for ZoS to not have to give me more virtual merchandise they have another less happy customer. Hope it was worth it to them.

You have epitomized the exact point I've been making for the past 12hrs. For you and many others, this change in discount structure represents a sharp decrease in crown to money value and hence you are a less happy customer. I just can't understand why the white knights can't see how people can be unhappy with this change by ZOS. I think I'm more surprised by the vehemence of the "how dare you be unhappy with a ZOS decision" brigade than I am with the actual decision by ZOS!