Is 20% off crowns enough discount to get you to purchase?

Istoppucks · May 2018

Yes

Lysette wrote: »

Istoppucks wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Istoppucks wrote: »

Man there are a lot of people on these forums who either have miserable lives and just cant be happy about anything or are so desperate for attention and upvotes they jump on whatever "hot topic" the others are crying about.

The EXACT same people who were crying about FREE crates last week are now crying about a 20% discount. If these game makes you so emotionally unstable maybe you guys should do everyone a favor and find a new hobby. Im not saying a new game cause i would feel bad for whatever game you guys went to.

You people who cant be happy in life who cry about FREE gift and discount are the reason video gamers get a bad name.

It is more greedy companies and shady methods (loot boxes, RNG boxes), which give video games a bad name.

No not even close. Its the crying babies on the forums who give video gamers a bad name. The companies are NOT being called losers or nerds its because idiots cry over things FREE crates and discounts the public thinks ALL gamers are losers chilling in their moms basement when its really only a small portion who ususally spend more time crying on the forums than playing the game.

Video game sales hit another record last year.
This is another sign those crying on the forums about how these evil bad companies are out to get you are the vocal minority and ALL the gamers just laugh at you.

You have a problem with this video game if it makes you so mentally unstable you need to cry about discounts and free stuff it might be time to find a new hobby.

If the biggest uproar you people can come with is crying about FREE stuff and DISCOUNTS its pretty obvious your desperation to bash a video game is at an all time high.

Greed is greed, that does not depend on if I could buy overpriced stuff or not. I call it out and if it is a shady method like RNG crates, which could actually harm people, who get easily addicted, I call it out as well. You can white-knight that as long as you want to, it does not make your statement more right or mine more wrong. Let's just agree to disagree on the matter.

I can agree to that.

Narvuntien · May 2018

I only use Crowns to buy DLC.

But I could instead... buy summerset and get more content than just clockwork city, only zone DLC I don't have. Although I really do like the zone but I turboed through the story on a ESO+ free week its really only AS I haven't done.

iiYuki · May 2018

No

They did it at 20% because the new houses are coming out and a sale of any kind when your spending tens of thousands of crowns on 1 house is enough to get people on the fence to buy quick and "save".

Banana · May 2018

No

Psyonico wrote: »

Varcarus wrote: »

JesQu wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

MoTeets wrote: »

A discount is a discount. They dont have to give any discount

I don't have to buy crowns

then why u r here

Why are you here also?

Why are any of us here?

I need something to do at work

theyancey · May 2018

Yes

There may be a few things that I want to buy extra next month. I'll pro'lly add a few to my ESO+ stash.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

I will never buy crowns at any price

Istoppucks wrote: »

Man there are a lot of people on these forums who either have miserable lives and just cant be happy about anything or are so desperate for attention and upvotes they jump on whatever "hot topic" the others are crying about.

The EXACT same people who were crying about FREE crates last week are now crying about a 20% discount. If these game makes you so emotionally unstable maybe you guys should do everyone a favor and find a new hobby. Im not saying a new game cause i would feel bad for whatever game you guys went to.

You people who cant be happy in life who cry about FREE gift and discount are the reason video gamers get a bad name.

Good, so i'm guessing you won't have to complain about people leaving the game as well good job maybe you'll notice when your the only one in the zone at all times huh

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Yes

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Istoppucks wrote: »

Man there are a lot of people on these forums who either have miserable lives and just cant be happy about anything or are so desperate for attention and upvotes they jump on whatever "hot topic" the others are crying about.

The EXACT same people who were crying about FREE crates last week are now crying about a 20% discount. If these game makes you so emotionally unstable maybe you guys should do everyone a favor and find a new hobby. Im not saying a new game cause i would feel bad for whatever game you guys went to.

You people who cant be happy in life who cry about FREE gift and discount are the reason video gamers get a bad name.

Good, so i'm guessing you won't have to complain about people leaving the game as well good job maybe you'll notice when your the only one in the zone at all times huh

Game population has never been healthier.

KivakWolf · May 2018

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Game population has never been healthier.

So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.

I think you just made our point.

Charliff1966 · May 2018

No

KivakWolf wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Game population has never been healthier.

So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.

I think you just made our point.

They dont have to give a discount at all.

KivakWolf · May 2018

No

Charliff1966 wrote: »

They dont have to give a discount at all.

I don't see what is so complicated for people to understand. It's the underlying motivation that people are upset about. Not that there is or is not a sale.

Charliff1966 · May 2018

No

KivakWolf wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

They dont have to give a discount at all.

I don't see what is so complicated for people to understand. It's the underlying motivation that people are upset about. Not that there is or is not a sale.

Yeah its greed, but greed from the freeloaders generation whom infect our games and not the company.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

I will never buy crowns at any price

Charliff1966 wrote: »

KivakWolf wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

They dont have to give a discount at all.

I don't see what is so complicated for people to understand. It's the underlying motivation that people are upset about. Not that there is or is not a sale.

Yeah its greed, but greed from the freeloaders generation whom infect our games and not the company.

Your talking about free loaders and you voted no? lol

Charliff1966 · May 2018

No

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

KivakWolf wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

They dont have to give a discount at all.

I don't see what is so complicated for people to understand. It's the underlying motivation that people are upset about. Not that there is or is not a sale.

Yeah its greed, but greed from the freeloaders generation whom infect our games and not the company.

Your talking about free loaders and you voted no? lol

I didnt, my wife did €500ish. She is smart and doesnt read the forums.

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

I will never buy crowns at any price

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

KivakWolf wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

They dont have to give a discount at all.

I don't see what is so complicated for people to understand. It's the underlying motivation that people are upset about. Not that there is or is not a sale.

Yeah its greed, but greed from the freeloaders generation whom infect our games and not the company.

Your talking about free loaders and you voted no? lol

I didnt, my wife did €500ish. She is smart and doesnt read the forums.

She's smarter than you atleast

Charliff1966 · May 2018

No

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

KivakWolf wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

They dont have to give a discount at all.

I don't see what is so complicated for people to understand. It's the underlying motivation that people are upset about. Not that there is or is not a sale.

Yeah its greed, but greed from the freeloaders generation whom infect our games and not the company.

Your talking about free loaders and you voted no? lol

I didnt, my wife did €500ish. She is smart and doesnt read the forums.

She's smarter than you atleast

Just waiting for dinner to arrive. We dont cook ourselves.

KivakWolf · May 2018

No

Charliff1966 wrote: »

Yeah its greed, but greed from the freeloaders generation whom infect our games and not the company.

I don't see that.

It wasn't the player base who suddenly out of no-where decided to spontaneously start getting upset about the normal cost of something. It was ZOS who suddenly changed longstanding policies dramatically from expectations (among other moves lately) that caused the player base to react. So you're going to blame the "freeloader" players and not the company? That's some messed up logic man.

JaZ2091 · May 2018

No

Charliff1966 wrote: »

KivakWolf wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Game population has never been healthier.

So it's not that ZOS is reducing the sale because they need to get more income to sustain the game and development due to a dropping population. It's because in spite of never being healthier they're reducing the sale amount so they can make more money... so it's greed. Got it.

I think you just made our point.

They dont have to give a discount at all.

Then start a thread suggesting that they don't.

WembleyOTG · May 2018

Yes

I'm so glad a ton of people aren't buying crowns on sale. Serves them right for devaluing the crowns in the first place by only buying when on sale.. Now I'll get crowns and good things in the coming months. Where non-buyers will have nothing.. At least there will be some more scarcity of the upcoming grotto with so many people unable to afford it.

Maybe if people didn't always only buy when 50% off they would have a reason not to charge 100% more for items. By not buying at full price ever you are devaluing crowns making things more expensive in the long run. Hence the crown price increases on store items

Fiktius · May 2018

Yes

The thing is, I wanted to buy those crowns anyways before the release of Summerset, so the discount number itself didn't have much impact in this decision.
For me 20 % discount is better than no discount at all, so I take it.

KivakWolf · May 2018

No

WembleyOTG wrote: »

I'm so glad a ton of people aren't buying crowns on sale. Serves them right for devaluing the crowns in the first place by only buying when on sale.. Now I'll get crowns and good things in the coming months. Where non-buyers will have nothing.. At least there will be some more scarcity of the upcoming grotto with so many people unable to afford it.

Maybe if people didn't always only buy when 50% off they would have a reason not to charge 100% more for items. By not buying at full price ever you are devaluing crowns making things more expensive in the long run. Hence the crown price increases on store items

So it's actually the customer's fault for taking advantage of sales? wow...

Cpt_Teemo · May 2018

I will never buy crowns at any price

KivakWolf wrote: »

WembleyOTG wrote: »

I'm so glad a ton of people aren't buying crowns on sale. Serves them right for devaluing the crowns in the first place by only buying when on sale.. Now I'll get crowns and good things in the coming months. Where non-buyers will have nothing.. At least there will be some more scarcity of the upcoming grotto with so many people unable to afford it.

Maybe if people didn't always only buy when 50% off they would have a reason not to charge 100% more for items. By not buying at full price ever you are devaluing crowns making things more expensive in the long run. Hence the crown price increases on store items

So it's actually the customer's fault for taking advantage of sales? wow...

It's not a sale if the consistency of the sales were around 40-50% all the time and now has dropped to 20% which yes indeed "It's the customer's fault for not taking advantage" -cough-

WembleyOTG · May 2018

Yes

KivakWolf wrote: »

WembleyOTG wrote: »

I'm so glad a ton of people aren't buying crowns on sale. Serves them right for devaluing the crowns in the first place by only buying when on sale.. Now I'll get crowns and good things in the coming months. Where non-buyers will have nothing.. At least there will be some more scarcity of the upcoming grotto with so many people unable to afford it.

Maybe if people didn't always only buy when 50% off they would have a reason not to charge 100% more for items. By not buying at full price ever you are devaluing crowns making things more expensive in the long run. Hence the crown price increases on store items

So it's actually the customer's fault for taking advantage of sales? wow...

Yes. By not buying normal prices if the company wants to see the same profit they have to up the price of the product.. So 5500 you bought is now only worth 2750. So they make mounts cost more because the crowns aren't worth as much

So what would have been a 2000 crown mount now becomes 4000 crown to equal out in value

KivakWolf · May 2018

No

WembleyOTG wrote: »

Yes. By not buying normal prices if the company wants to see the same profit they have to up the price of the product.. So 5500 you bought is now only worth 2750. So they make mounts cost more because the crowns aren't worth as much

So what would have been a 2000 crown mount now becomes 4000 crown to equal out in value

Maybe the customer doesn't value the mount as much as the company? So they wait for a sale. When the sale isn't enough, they don't buy. Simple as that.

Is the customer somehow not allowed to tell the company this? Is the customer supposed to simply stay silent? I don't think so.

Delgent · May 2018

No

I think the difference in the way people feel about 20% vs 40-50% is what they feel the value of crowns are to them personally. My wife and I have no problem spending $300+ when crowns are on sale at 40% or 50% off. That feels like decent value for what we get. Crowns at full price or 20% don't have enough value for us to spend the cash.

We're in the "older, financially comfortable" demographic...one of the secrets to becoming financially comfortable, is to understand the value to you for what you're purchasing. We also budget our gaming expenses. We're still going to spend that money we would have spent on crowns, but we'll spend it on other entertainment items that give us more perceived value. We've worked, and continue to work, hard for our money. Companies have to do a little work to get us to spend it with them. You won't see me giving a corporation money because they NEED my support...they need to EARN my support.

As it is, we're actively looking for an ESO replacement because, in general, it's starting to feel a little like ZOS is taking advantage of us. There are a couple of MMOs in development that have the potential to lure us away. Still love ESO the game, just not ESO the money grab. While part of that is "just cosmetic", the cosmetics are part of the fun factor that can keep you coming back. Since it's getting to the point where we just ignore the cosmetics more and more, some of the fun in acquiring new things has disappeared and we find we play a little bit less and less each week.

Travel Well,
Del'

WembleyOTG · May 2018

Yes

KivakWolf wrote: »

WembleyOTG wrote: »

Yes. By not buying normal prices if the company wants to see the same profit they have to up the price of the product.. So 5500 you bought is now only worth 2750. So they make mounts cost more because the crowns aren't worth as much

So what would have been a 2000 crown mount now becomes 4000 crown to equal out in value

Maybe the customer doesn't value the mount as much as the company? So they wait for a sale. When the sale isn't enough, they don't buy. Simple as that.

Is the customer somehow not allowed to tell the company this? Is the customer supposed to simply stay silent? I don't think so.

You can say what you want. And vote with your wallet that's fine. But inflation is a part of economy. If you print more money then you remove. Prices go up. I'm not telling you to buy crowns or that what you value the price is wrong vs what the company values it.. I think they have been tricking people by these sales to get them to buy at 50% off only to raise prices by 100% to get the same profits..

So you are doing the right things by not buying on sale which will increase the value of the crowns already in the system

Grendel_at_ESO · May 2018

There's very little I would buy with them anyway. Don't really need any more slots and while the assistants would be a minor luxury they're not worth almost $50 each, maybe $10. Otherwise there's nothing worth buying in the store.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2018

I will never buy crowns at any price

DoctorESO wrote: »

jazsper77 wrote: »

Oh look it’s the same defenders of ZOS as always having ZOS back. Lol pathetic

Oh look it’s the same critics of ZOS as always stabbing ZOS's back. Lol pathetic

LMAO every single one of those "back stabbers" are paying customers.

ZOS doesnt need you to save them. You arent going to get a pat on the head for it.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2018

I will never buy crowns at any price

Zypheran wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I have a set amount set aside to spend on crowns a couple times a year when they have sales. I'll still spend what I planned, I'll just end up with less crowns for my money. Not gonna spend more than that though, so in order for ZoS to not have to give me more virtual merchandise they have another less happy customer. Hope it was worth it to them.

You have epitomized the exact point I've been making for the past 12hrs. For you and many others, this change in discount structure represents a sharp decrease in crown to money value and hence you are a less happy customer. I just can't understand why the white knights can't see how people can be unhappy with this change by ZOS. I think I'm more surprised by the vehemence of the "how dare you be unhappy with a ZOS decision" brigade than I am with the actual decision by ZOS!

They can see it. They just need something to validate their own purchases. This all comes down to others being smart about their money and the few, defending ZOS, not. They make the purchase only to turn around and see everyone else say "no way". Its a defense mechanism.

Azarai · May 2018

No

I voted no, simply because it seems that ZOS as a company has moved from 'Making a great game' to "Making the maximum amount of profit' as a primary goal. All companies need to make money to survive and run, that is not the question. But when ZOS seems to be rather shifted over to extracting the maximum amount of money from customers is when I step back. More than ever it seems a majority of the Crown Store items are designed to rush people into making impulsive decisions. "Hurry, you only have four days to buy this 1,000 Crown Pet! Oh, and you only have four days for this 3,500 Crown Mount, hurry and give us money!"

Four day house sales for over $100? Check. Mounts and costumes getting more and more expensive? Check. The 'Best Value' Crown pack being a lie? Check. Finally giving an outfit system, only to charge actually absurd prices for slots? Check. And finally, sharply reducing the normal discount on top of all these things. I understand why, but I am of the opinion that ZOS is now focusing on the maximum amount of money they can make from you.

*Pricing for Crowns on Discount:
21,000 Crown Pack - $119.99 = 175.015 Crowns per dollar ('Best Value' pack')
14,000 Crown Pack - $79.99 = 175.02 Crowns per dollar

Saucy_Jack · May 2018

No

WembleyOTG wrote: »

Yes. By not buying normal prices if the company wants to see the same profit they have to up the price of the product.. So 5500 you bought is now only worth 2750. So they make mounts cost more because the crowns aren't worth as much

So what would have been a 2000 crown mount now becomes 4000 crown to equal out in value

But here's the thing. Past the original coding of the item(s) in question there is *NO* cost to subsequent production of the item. There's no horse breeder taking time to feed and train the mounts. There are no carpenters or engineers building multiple copies of the houses. The cost of these items in real world terms is effectively zero now.

So when ZOS says "Oh, *this* will be the crown to item exchange rate", pleeeease understand that whatever they set it at, it is completely arbitrary. And in this case, customers are coming to the realization that the exchange is absolutely terrible, and has been getting increasingly terrible since the start of the game. Like, a celestial motif book for 5k crowns, when you can buy all the pages ingame for less than 50k? Come on. Shenanigans like that isn't the marketing team being financially savvy; that's the marketing team being completely tone-deaf.