Magicka Warden PvP - strong, weak, balanced?

Waffennacht · April 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Meh @ innerlight

7% max magicka, 3% magicka recovery, ~5% crit chance... pretty much a guarenteed slot considering magicka wardens typically stack max magicka. If you use necropotence and don't slot this ability, I question your knowledge about the class.

That's why I went meh, for that build it is required, meaning you have to give up a slot. Meh.

Meh.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Meh @ innerlight

7% max magicka, 3% magicka recovery, ~5% crit chance... pretty much a guarenteed slot considering magicka wardens typically stack max magicka. If you use necropotence and don't slot this ability, I question your knowledge about the class.

That's why I went meh, for that build it is required, meaning you have to give up a slot. Meh.

Meh.

It's actually 10% crit. It's a massive buff and worth the slot if you're not relying on proc sets for kills.

Skander · April 2018

If they want to remove the stun just give minor penetretion buff and a lil bit more dmg. Not major. Magicka gets major from Ele drain already.

Hutch679 · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

If they want to remove the stun just give minor penetretion buff and a lil bit more dmg. Not major. Magicka gets major from Ele drain already.

No one uses elemental drain for pvp. You're in the pvp section of the forum bud.

Waffennacht · April 2018

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Meh @ innerlight

7% max magicka, 3% magicka recovery, ~5% crit chance... pretty much a guarenteed slot considering magicka wardens typically stack max magicka. If you use necropotence and don't slot this ability, I question your knowledge about the class.

That's why I went meh, for that build it is required, meaning you have to give up a slot. Meh.

Meh.

It's actually 10% crit. It's a massive buff and worth the slot if you're not relying on proc sets for kills.

Lol, I'm not gonna say to not run it. I just went meh. I ran it, you run it, it will be ran.

Skander · April 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

If they want to remove the stun just give minor penetretion buff and a lil bit more dmg. Not major. Magicka gets major from Ele drain already.

No one uses elemental drain for pvp. You're in the pvp section of the forum bud.

You are so wrong.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Meh @ innerlight

7% max magicka, 3% magicka recovery, ~5% crit chance... pretty much a guarenteed slot considering magicka wardens typically stack max magicka. If you use necropotence and don't slot this ability, I question your knowledge about the class.

That's why I went meh, for that build it is required, meaning you have to give up a slot. Meh.

Meh.

It's actually 10% crit. It's a massive buff and worth the slot if you're not relying on proc sets for kills.

Lol, I'm not gonna say to not run it. I just went meh. I ran it, you run it, it will be ran.

Like I said, it's a solid skill unless your build is designed around proc sets. Then the value drops drastically.

Malibulove · April 2018

Honestly the only good thing about Deep Fissure losing it's stun is that paired with the (necessary) Screaming Cliff Racer nerf. there's actually an argument to be made for a mini-rework of Magden DPS.

Since prior to the nerfs it was really hard to justify any buffs or QoL changes while Magden had arguably two of the best DPS skills even if the rest of their kit was garbage-tier when it came to DPS.

Skander · April 2018

I just hope they don't revert the buff on Artic Wind. That skill is so Expensive for what little it does

Hutch679 · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

If they want to remove the stun just give minor penetretion buff and a lil bit more dmg. Not major. Magicka gets major from Ele drain already.

No one uses elemental drain for pvp. You're in the pvp section of the forum bud.

You are so wrong.

Oh am I? Purge. Blue betty purge. But continue to cast ele drain. Yeah ive literally never had that skill cast by another player on my character. Been playing for three years now. If you run this on a warden lmao what else are you running???? Haha

Adenoma · April 2018

Lol @ elemental drain not being run in PvP. Haha.

Malibulove · April 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

If they want to remove the stun just give minor penetretion buff and a lil bit more dmg. Not major. Magicka gets major from Ele drain already.

No one uses elemental drain for pvp. You're in the pvp section of the forum bud.

You are so wrong.

Oh am I? Purge. Blue betty purge. But continue to cast ele drain. Yeah ive literally never had that skill cast by another player on my character. Been playing for three years now. If you run this on a warden lmao what else are you running???? Haha

Why would Magdens being able to cleanse Ele Drain matter if you were playing as a Magden? You're not casting it on yourself and plenty of Stamina (and Magicka) builds don't run Efficient Purge.

Between all the different DoT effects and debuffs, it's actually incredibly easy to overwhelm any type of cleanse that isn't called Extended Ritual.

Besides if your opponent resorts to sitting back and spending any amount of time or resources trying to get Ele Drain off them, that's still a win for you. Because with even just a little bit of RNG on your side the time it takes to reapply it will always be quicker or cheaper than the time it takes to remove it.

Skander · April 2018

After a while playing it i can say:

Solo: it sucks, you can't go on the offense without being crushed

Duels: Sucks

Group: it only shines here.

Vizier · April 2018

MagWard is weak, but has a ton of utility, especially in groups. No class can switch up roles on the drop of a hat to meet the needs of the group like a Warden, especially a Magward. Need extra DPS, they can do that. Need emergency heals? They've got that covered. The group buffs are outstanding. They are very mobile even if not a vampire and in any armor type. They are excellent at putting pressure or help where needed. But if the standard for assessing it's power is 1v1, 1vX then it's on the weak side of the spectrum IMO. If I had to put my finger on it their sustained DPS is ****. Warden burst is good but easily avoided because so much of their primary damage is delayed and telegraphed. They need about a 20% boost in sustained damage AND could use a class execute. My vote would be for Swarm to be totally reworked or have some kind of strangling vine that is instant cast and ranged.

kerthas · April 2018

well, guys ye Magden is not the easiest class neither that it is the strongest class. But, learn to practice it, stop thinking that sorcerer or nb stam is better so i cant blablabla.
Because you can, just need to have a minimum of reflection, self intelligence for create build who works, not just follow a random one on you tube, and pratice them a lot, not just 10-15 hours. Until you realize what is better for you.

And only then, you will realize you can rekt a lot of people with a magden, even good one. Stop beeing a sheep and think what other people think, and just make your way.

Torbschka · April 2018

kerthas wrote: »

well, guys ye Magden is not the easiest class neither that it is the strongest class. But, learn to practice it, stop thinking that sorcerer or nb stam is better so i cant blablabla.
Because you can, just need to have a minimum of reflection, self intelligence for create build who works, not just follow a random one on you tube, and pratice them a lot, not just 10-15 hours. Until you realize what is better for you.

And only then, you will realize you can rekt a lot of people with a magden, even good one. Stop beeing a sheep and think what other people think, and just make your way.

May I ask what u run for geat skills, because I did test a ton and cant really think of anything I havent tried yet ^^?

gabriebe · April 2018

MagWardens with Soul Assault timed with bugs, skoria and fletcher was pretty deadly but now that they removed the snare and the undodgeable birds... it's very meh.

SanTii.92 · April 2018

Pretty terrible state really. Since it's launch this mediocre class had received nothing but nerfs upon nerfs, and it seems like the trend will continue. I'm ready to give up on mine.

kerthas · April 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

May I ask what u run for geat skills, because I did test a ton and cant really think of anything I havent tried yet ^^?

Front bar: Destructiv reach, Dampen Magic, Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Fletcher infection + Nothern Storm

Back Bar: Crystallized Slab, Healing ward, Mist form, Blue netch, Bird of prey + light Champion (Healing ticket is also a good choice both for cp and non-cp)

Tri stat food

Waffennacht · April 2018

kerthas wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

May I ask what u run for geat skills, because I did test a ton and cant really think of anything I havent tried yet ^^?

Front bar: Destructiv reach, Dampen Magic, Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Fletcher infection + Nothern Storm

Back Bar: Crystallized Slab, Healing ward, Mist form, Blue netch, Bird of prey + light Champion (Healing ticket is also a good choice both for cp and non-cp)

Tri stat food

So like... What everyone else does

Brutusmax1mus · April 2018

Meh

Torbschka · April 2018

kerthas wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

May I ask what u run for geat skills, because I did test a ton and cant really think of anything I havent tried yet ^^?

Front bar: Destructiv reach, Dampen Magic, Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Fletcher infection + Nothern Storm

Back Bar: Crystallized Slab, Healing ward, Mist form, Blue netch, Bird of prey + light Champion (Healing ticket is also a good choice both for cp and non-cp)

Tri stat food

Thank you, and gear?

kerthas · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

So like... What everyone else does

Maybe, but at least, i know how to use it.

Torbschka wrote: »

Thank you, and gear?

Nothing special. Nécro+Lich+1 piece of domihaus for both cp and non cp. But whith summerset, i'm going to use infernal guardian, combined with Crystallized Slab, i will make a lot of dmg by beeing just on defense. Or engine guardian, for the survavibility, as long as i didnt try it yet, i dont know which one is better.

and a fire destro in nirn with prismatic enchant, and my mich resto in infused with weapon dmg glyph or hardening glyph. Both are great, but i prefer Hardening glyph

Torbschka · April 2018

kerthas wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

So like... What everyone else does

Maybe, but at least, i know how to use it.

Torbschka wrote: »

Thank you, and gear?

Nothing special. Nécro+Lich+1 piece of domihaus for both cp and non cp. But whith summerset, i'm going to use infernal guardian, combined with Crystallized Slab, i will make a lot of dmg by beeing just on defense. Or engine guardian, for the survavibility, as long as i didnt try it yet, i dont know which one is better.

Thanks, one advice: u could already go necro Front/lich back + monster- since ur DMG + shield (beides HW) is only on frontbar , u can use necro as an 1 bar set on warden IMO.

Furthermore, how do u solo with that setup , since u dont really have any defense besides ur abilities ? (Im not cooky, im really interested since u said, u have great succeess with it for 1vX)?

Are u an argonian?

kerthas · April 2018

Thanks for the advices, i didnt think about it.

No i'm a High elf. Most of the times, i'm using the field as an advantage for surprising them. Most of the time, those who die first are nb stam, thats make the half of the ennemy. Because you can "burst them" with your deep fissure when they do not expected (cut anim with a dodge behind a rock or some *** like that), and if you put your fletcher infection on them+ nother storm, and not forget your deep fissure they cant avoid, that deal a lot of dmg, and they cant run away.
Sorcerer are the most annoying to kill because of their shield, and you have to be very careful with their combo, runic cage + meteor and endless fury's. it can be deadful, but if you block, most of the times, they failed their runic cage or cast an immuability potion, thats the safe option. then against sorcerer who can use their abilities, you have to make them use their ressources, with some patiences they will die.

If their is some templar, ignore them as long as you can, you cant kill them, unless they are ***. The dk permablock are annoying too, but if you kill everyone esle, you can deal with them, it will just not be really fast.

But, i got to say, with every class, and every player, not metter what you are playing, except sorcerer maybe, if in front of you there player, who can 1vX too, and are comfortable with it, you will not be able to kill them. Maybe survive but thats it.

With few exeption there is nobody who can 1vX except against player less good as you are.
But as a magden, you have to play with your cut anim + dodge, and the field, like most of the class.

Skander · April 2018

In a duel, if you wanna play a magwarden heavy

don't.

If you wanna solo in pvp, don't.

You just can't do those things.

kerthas · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

In a duel, if you wanna play a magwarden heavy

don't.

If you wanna solo in pvp, don't.

You just can't do those things.

Yeah, well i dont like heavy magden, so problem solves.
Magden is not the best in solo indeed, but you can have fun too. And if you go with 2 or 3 good friends, you can make some carnage.

Mojomonkeyman · April 2018

Skander wrote: »

In a duel, if you wanna play a magwarden heavy

don't.

If you wanna solo in pvp, don't.

You just can't do those things.

I do it. It's still magWarden (sitting duck), but works just as good as light for me. Or was the solo & heavy parts of your post not related? If so, forget what I said.

Hutch679 · April 2018

Malibulove wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

If they want to remove the stun just give minor penetretion buff and a lil bit more dmg. Not major. Magicka gets major from Ele drain already.

No one uses elemental drain for pvp. You're in the pvp section of the forum bud.

You are so wrong.

Oh am I? Purge. Blue betty purge. But continue to cast ele drain. Yeah ive literally never had that skill cast by another player on my character. Been playing for three years now. If you run this on a warden lmao what else are you running???? Haha

Why would Magdens being able to cleanse Ele Drain matter if you were playing as a Magden? You're not casting it on yourself and plenty of Stamina (and Magicka) builds don't run Efficient Purge.

Between all the different DoT effects and debuffs, it's actually incredibly easy to overwhelm any type of cleanse that isn't called Extended Ritual.

Besides if your opponent resorts to sitting back and spending any amount of time or resources trying to get Ele Drain off them, that's still a win for you. Because with even just a little bit of RNG on your side the time it takes to reapply it will always be quicker or cheaper than the time it takes to remove it.

Blue betty purges it at 0 cost and can be spammed.

method__01 · April 2018

like the cliff racer nerf wasnt enough....imagine buying a car and after 6 months company announces that they reducing top speed cause reasons....would you ever buy car from this company again?

just lol zos