Doctordarkspawn wrote: »...
People who play PVE play to relax. Having some guy screaming at us isn't a relaxing environment.
Personally find solo PvP far more relaxing than group PvE, precisely on this basis
It helps that my status gets set to Offline in Cyrodiil, so players from enemy teams can't whine or berate me for killing them
As a PvEer who has done some PvP I don't hate it, nor am I scared of it. I just prefer PvE. Rather like when I go to a restaurant and eat meat although I've tasted some seafood. I don't hate seafood, nor am I scared of it, I just prefer meat. Why do some people have to use terms like "hate" or "scared" in relation to what is essentially a personal preference, no more no less?
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »...
People who play PVE play to relax. Having some guy screaming at us isn't a relaxing environment.
Personally find solo PvP far more relaxing than group PvE, precisely on this basis
It helps that my status gets set to Offline in Cyrodiil, so players from enemy teams can't whine or berate me for killing them
It's honestly a good solution, one I'd try if the competative nature of PVP and the stress it brings does not just hammer on my emotional problems to all hell.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Not in MMOs, not in MOBAs, not in FPS's.
And MOBAs are the WORST. I play Smite from time to time, which I enjoy as a concept, but I can only tolerate playing for a week or two before I leave the game for months at a time. The players get so toxic that if you die even ONCE, WW2 was a tea party in comparison.
DieAlteHexe wrote: »I don't hate PvP. I just know my limits and abilities. I suck. No ifs ands or buts about it. As such, it's no fun at all. The only reason then for me to PvP would be to provide content for someone else and, well, sorry, not going to do that.
Unless they want to pay my sub.
DieAlteHexe wrote: »I don't hate PvP. I just know my limits and abilities. I suck. No ifs ands or buts about it. As such, it's no fun at all. The only reason then for me to PvP would be to provide content for someone else and, well, sorry, not going to do that.
Unless they want to pay my sub.
I used to think the same thing for like a year... Then I learned
DieAlteHexe wrote: »The odd thing is many pure PvErs on here seem to think as you kill each other people are toxic and harsh.
Yet in my experience, and from this forum PvPers are actually helpful to each other and the real toxic / elitist snobbery happens in trials where you are meant to work together.
Many PvE folk fear the 'bag' however like its something terrible.
If by "the bag" you mean the tea-bag emote...fear? Not a bit. It just seems so junior high-ish ala "look! I have dangly bits!11!!1!, phear me". I think the broom one is amusing.
Quite simply? Because I don't like PVP. I don't see it the point of it, and I don't need to. IMO, PVP is for people who need to measure their e-peens with each other. Who need to exert power over other people and well, for bragging rights. And that's it.
DieAlteHexe wrote: »The odd thing is many pure PvErs on here seem to think as you kill each other people are toxic and harsh.
Yet in my experience, and from this forum PvPers are actually helpful to each other and the real toxic / elitist snobbery happens in trials where you are meant to work together.
Many PvE folk fear the 'bag' however like its something terrible.
If by "the bag" you mean the tea-bag emote...fear? Not a bit. It just seems so junior high-ish ala "look! I have dangly bits!11!!1!, phear me". I think the broom one is amusing.
Spot on, it's just that a bit of comedy. But ive seen some.PvE only folks get seriously offended by it, it's jist pixels but i guess it depends how serious a gamer you are
DieAlteHexe wrote: »I don't hate PvP. I just know my limits and abilities. I suck. No ifs ands or buts about it. As such, it's no fun at all. The only reason then for me to PvP would be to provide content for someone else and, well, sorry, not going to do that.
Unless they want to pay my sub.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Because PvE is about having fun and playing the way you want, while PvP is all about "the meta" and what's good and what's bad and fun is determined by if you're "doing it right" or not.
That seems backwards.... but that's just my opinion
Really? I have an ice mage warden that does just fine in PvE, but if I ever took her into PvP, I would be laughed right out of Cyrodiil.
What happens when yo ask to sign up for a trial with that build?
Wardens Ice skills in PvP are pretty effective.
Really?
Now, I'm talking magic based, ice staff, light armor, ignoring the animal and plant skills warden. Still feel the same way?
VirtualElizabeth wrote: »Quite simply? Because I don't like PVP. I don't see it the point of it, and I don't need to. IMO, PVP is for people who need to measure their e-peens with each other. Who need to exert power over other people and well, for bragging rights. And that's it.
I find it to be just the opposite of what Temju is saying - PvE is full of elitist players who demand a certain build or you won't be considered to join up in their events. I have also heard of more players experiencing drama in pve guilds than I have ever heard in PVP.
Why do most people not like PvP? I think its more ego driven - they have to win or the experience is pointless. Plus talk about big babies when they get killed! I find the pvp community much friendlier and inclusive than the hard core PvE'rs
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I play both and I enjoy both. What I hate is when PVP balance decisions negatively PVE.
It's annoying when obvious PVP balance changes reduce effectiveness of skills in PVE.
Nyghthowler wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »I don't hate PvP. I just know my limits and abilities. I suck. No ifs ands or buts about it. As such, it's no fun at all. The only reason then for me to PvP would be to provide content for someone else and, well, sorry, not going to do that.
Unless they want to pay my sub.
This sums it up for me, too. I have M.S.; my reaction times are bad. My fingers don't always hit the buttons I tell them to. I don't play vet or hard mode group ANYTHING so as not to waste others time. Why would I want to waste mine getting repeatedly killed and t-bagged?
TequilaFire wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I play both and I enjoy both. What I hate is when PVP balance decisions negatively PVE.
It's annoying when obvious PVP balance changes reduce effectiveness of skills in PVE.
But PvP players don't do that, the devs do, take it up with them.
TequilaFire wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I play both and I enjoy both. What I hate is when PVP balance decisions negatively PVE.
It's annoying when obvious PVP balance changes reduce effectiveness of skills in PVE.
But PvP players don't do that, the devs do, take it up with them.
1. Because PvP creates toxic environments.
2. Because PvP encourages poor attitudes and immature rivalry
3. Because Many PvP players disdain PvE players as a lower form of life. were not worthy because we don't play the hard stuff.
4. Because PvP players disregard PvE players wants and needs when it comes to balance. THEY are more important, thus the impact of changes on PvE are irrelevant. The PvE players game gets tossed on its head because of PvP regularly.
6. Because PvP in a PvE game kills the PvE game. And Vice versa if you want to know the truth.
I used to PvP allot ages ago. did the whole gamut in most MMO's I played. Got burnt out on it. Too much toxicity and immature behaviors. I'm watching my son go through the same thing as he is very much into competitive games on his xbox, and I hear all about the horrid behaviors people exemplify in PvP. It's not gotten any better...it's only getting worse.
And add to that, the ego's and disdain that PvP players have for those who simply don't want to deal with it, and the nerf after nerf for classes that really do Impact PvE, but PvP players don't care. They just hop off to their next whine train about X class with Y ability.
I do my best to have patience and understanding with PvP players. It's very sad that many of them don't do the same for PvE. I respect their desire to have a playable PvP element, and there are those PvP players that understand the PvE needs... but they are a rare bird. I don't hate PvP, I just don't have the time and energy for it anymore. with a career and a house and a family to take care of, real life has enough challenges, I play these games to relax and unwind. Don't need some 12 yr old teabagging me an hour after I just put my son on restriction because he was behaving just as poorly.
And the day they take PvP out of my PvE game is the day they will be able to decently balance PvE classes. To be fair, PvE impacts PvP in similar ways (as regards to balance). that is why many MMO's these days are going towards a split skill system, where they can balance PvP and PvE skills separately. ESO needs to do the same, for the benefit of both the PvP and PvE players.
TequilaFire wrote: »1. Because PvP creates toxic environments.
2. Because PvP encourages poor attitudes and immature rivalry
3. Because Many PvP players disdain PvE players as a lower form of life. were not worthy because we don't play the hard stuff.
4. Because PvP players disregard PvE players wants and needs when it comes to balance. THEY are more important, thus the impact of changes on PvE are irrelevant. The PvE players game gets tossed on its head because of PvP regularly.
6. Because PvP in a PvE game kills the PvE game. And Vice versa if you want to know the truth.
I used to PvP allot ages ago. did the whole gamut in most MMO's I played. Got burnt out on it. Too much toxicity and immature behaviors. I'm watching my son go through the same thing as he is very much into competitive games on his xbox, and I hear all about the horrid behaviors people exemplify in PvP. It's not gotten any better...it's only getting worse.
And add to that, the ego's and disdain that PvP players have for those who simply don't want to deal with it, and the nerf after nerf for classes that really do Impact PvE, but PvP players don't care. They just hop off to their next whine train about X class with Y ability.
I do my best to have patience and understanding with PvP players. It's very sad that many of them don't do the same for PvE. I respect their desire to have a playable PvP element, and there are those PvP players that understand the PvE needs... but they are a rare bird. I don't hate PvP, I just don't have the time and energy for it anymore. with a career and a house and a family to take care of, real life has enough challenges, I play these games to relax and unwind. Don't need some 12 yr old teabagging me an hour after I just put my son on restriction because he was behaving just as poorly.
And the day they take PvP out of my PvE game is the day they will be able to decently balance PvE classes. To be fair, PvE impacts PvP in similar ways (as regards to balance). that is why many MMO's these days are going towards a split skill system, where they can balance PvP and PvE skills separately. ESO needs to do the same, for the benefit of both the PvP and PvE players.
I could substitute PvE every where you wrote PvP with the same truth.
It is immature players and the lack of repercussions hiding behind a screen that cause bad behavior in both PvE and PvP.
DieAlteHexe wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »1. Because PvP creates toxic environments.
2. Because PvP encourages poor attitudes and immature rivalry
3. Because Many PvP players disdain PvE players as a lower form of life. were not worthy because we don't play the hard stuff.
4. Because PvP players disregard PvE players wants and needs when it comes to balance. THEY are more important, thus the impact of changes on PvE are irrelevant. The PvE players game gets tossed on its head because of PvP regularly.
6. Because PvP in a PvE game kills the PvE game. And Vice versa if you want to know the truth.
I used to PvP allot ages ago. did the whole gamut in most MMO's I played. Got burnt out on it. Too much toxicity and immature behaviors. I'm watching my son go through the same thing as he is very much into competitive games on his xbox, and I hear all about the horrid behaviors people exemplify in PvP. It's not gotten any better...it's only getting worse.
And add to that, the ego's and disdain that PvP players have for those who simply don't want to deal with it, and the nerf after nerf for classes that really do Impact PvE, but PvP players don't care. They just hop off to their next whine train about X class with Y ability.
I do my best to have patience and understanding with PvP players. It's very sad that many of them don't do the same for PvE. I respect their desire to have a playable PvP element, and there are those PvP players that understand the PvE needs... but they are a rare bird. I don't hate PvP, I just don't have the time and energy for it anymore. with a career and a house and a family to take care of, real life has enough challenges, I play these games to relax and unwind. Don't need some 12 yr old teabagging me an hour after I just put my son on restriction because he was behaving just as poorly.
And the day they take PvP out of my PvE game is the day they will be able to decently balance PvE classes. To be fair, PvE impacts PvP in similar ways (as regards to balance). that is why many MMO's these days are going towards a split skill system, where they can balance PvP and PvE skills separately. ESO needs to do the same, for the benefit of both the PvP and PvE players.
I could substitute PvE every where you wrote PvP with the same truth.
It is immature players and the lack of repercussions hiding behind a screen that cause bad behavior in both PvE and PvP.
So, so, soooooo true. There are some real arse-hats in PvE as well. REAL arse-hats.