For what it's worth, sniping with a bow while sneaking is the best way to play Oblivion too. Morrowind, not so much.

seipher09 wrote: »

I know it's been out for years and all but I just never understood why so many die hard Skyrim fans hated this game so much? I played Skyrim (never was able to beat it, got bored just smacking things with my sword).

Eso has better graphics I think by a long shot, the world's much bigger, the quests are about the same, there is more to do even with Skyrim addons, the combat is millions of times better over just left clicking and hitting with a sword over and over.

I'm curious what do the skyrim fans see that beats Eso? I'm sure some people here prefer Skyrim I'm curious why is all

The answer to your question is simple, and three fold. First, not as many Skyrim players hated ESO as your post implied. We were a TES family. We all played. Now we all play ESO.

Second, for those people who did hate this game after it came out was because of the forced participation in groups to get items. They were asking players who played solo to depend on other players for their stuff. Not one of our family liked that. To this day not one person in my family has participated in pvp, or anything else that required a group to get items. Instead we played with out the items. We have never played in Imperial City and have played actively since Beta. I should make note that our family members range in age from 30 to 60 years old.

Pretty much if we HAVE to pvp to get this or that item, we won't have that item. If we HAVE to group up for this or that item, you can bet we will never have that item. The only way we will group up is if it's guild members (mostly our family) or with friends. We're not doing the pug thing unless we only need one more player. That's trouble waiting to happen. In short, people who prefer solo games will never like pvp or forced grouping.

Third, we will always resent the RNG thing because we believe if we meet the requirements, we should get the item. In this game, the requirements are unpublished and always change (according to ZOS). Read that "changing the rules of the game". Solo players don't like a game where the rules always change. In real life, no one else does either. Would you play Scrabble if the rules were different for player A than you? How long would you work at a job if employee had a different (and better) employee handbook than you? They get better pay for less work than you?

Yes, this is "just a game" but it costs time and money and people don't want to invest time and money into something that makes them unhappy. We are not happy with PvP or anything that forces grouping. We believe it is unfair (and is a broken promise) that we must do those activities to get those items.

Played all Elder Scrolls. Loved them. One of my long time gamer tags came from my character in (offline) Morrowind. I have used that name in every game, MMO or not.

I did adore Skyrim. Hated to stop playing it but I had maxed everything. There was nothing left to do, no enemies to concur, homes to build, children to adopt or pets to save. My wife said the same things to me every time I came home. I needed a new home.

Welcome to ESO. Still pretty. Game play is on par compared to what is available. No groundbreaking mechanics however, I see a committed community, dedicated developer team and a shot at this game going another 5-7 years. Not a bad future considering the number of MMO's that never make it to year 2.

So OP, loved Skyrim, adore ESO. I do not understand your complaint.

1. No Daedric Artifacts are available to acquire as rewards. Skeleton Key, Oghma Infinium, or the Ring of Hircine as just a few examples.
2. No Followers you can hire or earn by getting status with the authorities that you can give weapons, armor, accessories. They could also carry some of your loot you gained during quests.
3. Enemies you can actually loot. Their weapons, armor, anything. And harder enemies held better items, and more items as well. For example Dwarven Centurions and Dragons in Skyrim had better rewards/loot/gold when you defeated them. What do you get for defeating Centurions in ESO? One piece of junk worth 9 gold.
4. We now have some storage in our houses but I would like some more RP elements to the houses such as servants, guards, family members.

Runefang wrote: »

Because this game requires more skill?

Just sniping with a Bow from sneak is the best way to play Skyrim, it's awful in ESO.

People would *** a brick if they actually had to do long range sniping the way its done in Skyrim... You have to know your arcs, know the relative pull strength of your bow (yes some bows had greater velocity and therefore were straighter longer) etc. I disagree with this premise. In one sense you are right that Bows were way deadlier in Skyrim but in another sense the player actually had to have more skill to be a sniper, you couldn't just 'tab target to win'.

I don't know why people would knock players of either game and I call *** on this whole topic. I think a lot of people came from Skyrim and love ESO, they love both games. There are players of ESO who don't like Skyrim and there are players of Skyrim who don't like Eso. This is because they are HUMAN BEINGS with their own sensibilities and different likes and dislikes. Mountains are being made out of molehills here.

Ah, the apples and pears Simply put: Skyrim is a CRPG and ESO isn't. While ESO masks its fetch and kill quests better, it has nothing on A Night To Remember for example. It does have a whole lot of other things though. In the end you really can't compare the two, but sadly that's what people try and then they get disappointed depending on which angle they prefer.

The story has no progression. 3 years now we beat molag bal and his dolmens and cyrodiil is still a mess. So many servers, so many emperors and not even one was able to restore order in nirn. Instead they took their throne and clothes and now live in instanced cottages.

I was a skyrim fan and bloody love ESO, the fact that there is more locations/continent to explore than just the one province alone made me forget about skyrim. #sorrynotsorry

kyle.wilson wrote: »

I preferred Oblivion' story over Skyrim.
Both sides you can choose to join in Skyrim are annoying. 1 Tries to kill you at the beginning, and the other was super racist.

This I don't get. How exactly are they really more racist than any other nation/race in TES universe? Everyone is racist or very nationalistic in TES. I'd say the least racist race would probably be Imperials, yet they still feel justified to keep different nationalities under their banner, no matter what they wish, which is kinda racist in itself. If not racist, at least totalitarian.


Bottom line, every single nation in TES universe thinks their culture is superior to all the others.

Why do I have over 5000 hours playing Skyrim and still haven't done or seen everything?

Because it's fun.

I also love this game and play it a lot.

well i have played the series and i would say in single player you have what ever cheats you can think of , now they have to play for real .

knaveofengland wrote: »

well i have played the series and i would say in single player you have what ever cheats you can think of , now they have to play for real .

I doubt that'd make the top 10 of reasons why.

Disclaimer: Long time TES player (since TES 1: Arena and all TES games except TES: Travels) here.

I don't really hate ESO or I wouldn't be playing it, but there are many disappointing aspects about ESO for me:

1) The world itself is/feels static. No matter what you do, there aren't any consequences to most of your deeds. Murder someone? He respawns 5 minutes later. Free Camlorn from Faolchu and his werewolves? Well, guess what... the city stays the same.

2) The classes feel weird. Yes, TES games prior to Skyrim had classes as well, but those were only templates that provided some sort of guidance (and you had the option to create your own "class"). I dislike ESO's class system and I wish they'd created the schools of magic like they should, rather than integrating them into weird class skills.

3) The combat is just generic MMO skill spam for the most part.

4) In the DLC areas (at least in Orsinium, TG and DB) they should given the option to work for the opposing faction similiar to the civil war in Skyrim.

MW2K wrote: »

knaveofengland wrote: »

well i have played the series and i would say in single player you have what ever cheats you can think of , now they have to play for real .

I doubt that'd make the top 10 of reasons why.

I'll go as far as top 100 xD