Why do skyrim players dislike Eso?

Panomania

And as for fans....people have their favorite games, for a variety of reasons. For example, I firmly believe after 20+ years of online gaming that Everquest is the best MMO I have ever played, and that no game since has come close. I know that most would disagree with me, because they dont enjoy what I do when gaming (long term challenge for long term reward, skill, edge of your seat immersion in a game) and they have their OWN favorite games, however silly or absurd I may find them.

Thats why you have so many different MMO's...and why it confuses the hell out of me that so many developers, execs and players seem hell bent on making EVERY new MMO a virtual clone of an existing game.

Demycilian

Because Queen Ayrenn commands more hearts than all the rest of them.

kind_hero

The main difference is that in the single player games you could become all-powerful, like a demigod, and one shot almost everything, while a MMO will never allow you to become this powerful.

I also played from TES2 through Skyrim. I really liked Skyrim, where I spent hundreds of hours exploring everything. But Skyrim was designed as a single player experience. When I came to ESO, in the beta, I felt restricted as what I could do with my char. The combat system in Skyrim was clunky, in ESO was better, but not perfect. I liked the dodge rolls, some animations and spells, but the bow felt weak. I think ESO is a great game, and if we look at the new DLC areas, the graphics and world design have improved a lot.

Some people wanted class removal and NPC schedules.

In a MMO you can't have them, maybe except for specific quests. What would be the point of alts if you could reset your class, and also it would be annoying to log in to find that in the game world it is night, and all the NPCs, like vendors or bankers, are unavailable because they are sleeping. You cannot sleep/wait like in single player.

My big disappointment is related to how simple and shallow cities like Riften and Windhelm are. They need to be improved. Also their zones seem less interesting than in Skyrim.

DaveMoeDee

Panomania wrote: »

And as for fans....people have their favorite games, for a variety of reasons. For example, I firmly believe after 20+ years of online gaming that Everquest is the best MMO I have ever played, and that no game since has come close. I know that most would disagree with me, because they dont enjoy what I do when gaming (long term challenge for long term reward, skill, edge of your seat immersion in a game) and they have their OWN favorite games, however silly or absurd I may find them.

Thats why you have so many different MMO's...and why it confuses the hell out of me that so many developers, execs and players seem hell bent on making EVERY new MMO a virtual clone of an existing game.

You have a low bar for "clone"

Tan9oSuccka

I love both games.

Started with Morrowind (kinda rough on consoles) but fell in love with Oblivion and Skyrim.

I really enjoy ESO. Playing the same game three years later is very rare.

neverwalk

I BUGGED out of Skyrim after 5,133 hours, it was time to move on into new game. ESO was my choice, i'm now CP 952, at first i had a bit of hard time getting used to the play style of ESO, now i love the game. One wish i have is to erase my memory of ESO so i can start ESO again with the newish content.

dotme

I'm very influenced by visuals in a game. ESO's character movements and rendering look much better to me than Skyrim. Having said that, Skyrim's "world" including density of objects and that insane LOD/draw distance is something I really miss with ESO. And nights should be black, not blue.

If Zenimaz/Bethesda could make a new game that had Skyrim's world detail and weather with the MMO aspects from ESO, I'd be all over that. I think my biggest disappointment when first playing ESO was that the world seemed cartoonish and sparse compared with the great forests and vistas of Skyrim.

Kodrac

Because you can't have that level of detail in a shared online world.

CardboardedBox

Mostly just a translation error from single player to mmo. The single player games have a lot of freedom, most of which had to be sacrificed to become an mmo. The more restrictive feeling simply doesn't sit well with some people.



And there's no spider grenades in eso.

Smitch_59

Lysette wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

very simple - skyrim players wanted an TES/Skyrim game with multiplayer elements but what they got was an MMO with TES elements

This - and that you have a bunch of active skills - but you can at most use 12 of them with 2 bars. And while those are slotted, the other active skills are suspended - what is really poor design. This is totally different to other TES games, where you can use the whole spectrum of your skills at any time.

Then there is this awful scaling of damage by either magicka or stamina, which discourages hybrid builds, which would be fun to play. This basically cuts down on diversity and creates just 10 archetypes with the potential to be viable in "end game". Then "end game" in a whole is an alien concept to people, who do not come from an MMO.

It is like Nemesis said - we expected "TES with friends" - not against them on one side - and a TES RPG with coop-elements, and what we got is an MMO-combat focused game, where combat mechanics are catered to this type of gameplay - while most of the game is centered around PvE content - which can be soloed.

To me for example, I like the open world of ESO, but most of the multiplayer content is basically useless to me, because it is implemented as a button mashing, hyper-particle, cluster-based (zerg) combat system, which is on top of it highly laggy. That is not what I expected an online TES game to be like. ESO is too much of an MMO to be a good TES RPG game.

^^This! I've been playing ESO for almost 3 years, have 750+ CP and 10 characters. But my play is 99% solo. I don't do PVP and I rarely play any other group content. So at this point, there's not much left for me to do other than a few dailies. I'm finding myself becoming very bored with the game. So I'm considering taking a break and playing around with some Skyrim mods for a while, or maybe try Fallout 4.

Banana

Rubbish graphics and lag was the first thing i noticed

pod88kk

In Skyrim they didn't have to see other people which was good for them because they scare easily

Priyasekarssk

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

I have had about 7 of my friends buy ESO after I did, and I have been playing since launch on console.

One of them reached champion 250 and barely plays.
One of them is about to hit level 50 and plays even less.
One of them quit before they got to 40.
Several of them quit before level 30.
One of them quit before level 10.

I told them over and over and over again that this game was going to be nothing like Skyrim, and it was just in one ear and out the other with them.

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RupzSkooma

My 3 friends also left ESO before reaching level 40.

Priyasekarssk

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frausty

seipher09 wrote: »

I know it's been out for years and all but I just never understood why so many die hard Skyrim fans hated this game so much? I played Skyrim (never was able to beat it, got bored just smacking things with my sword).

Eso has better graphics I think by a long shot, the world's much bigger, the quests are about the same, there is more to do even with Skyrim addons, the combat is millions of times better over just left clicking and hitting with a sword over and over.

I'm curious what do the skyrim fans see that beats Eso? I'm sure some people here prefer Skyrim I'm curious why is all

I, like many others, like both. Thanks for the generalisation.

I would class myself as a massive fan of Skyrim having played the original, bought the Special Edition for my Xbox One X and recently bought the Switch version as well. However, I play ESO just as much as I play those.

RebornV3x

Because Skyrim players want a single player rpg elder scrolls 6 already and this isn't it so yeah

strangeradnd

I tried ESO after several thousand hours on Skyrim thinking it would be similar, that is where things fall short. The mythology is the same but the game is not. From rapidly respawning enemies to having to compete for resource nodes to a generally bland looking world by comparison it just didn't cut it.

After finding myself very dissapointed I put a couple thousand hours into Fallout 4 and Destiny before trying ESO again. I still don't like it as much as the earlier titles but knowing what to expect this time made it a lot more enjoyable so for me the gaming not living up to what it was billed as was my biggest issue. Currently it is the only game I am playing and likely will be for a while. Had I known what to expect initially I would have come in with much lower expectations and probably have stayed longer the first time.

Varana

I wonder how anyone who has a basic understanding of the profound differences between single-player RPGs and MMOs can ask that question.
Several things have been mentioned already - the most important for me:
- It heavily relies on grinding. In Skyrim, you don't go into a dungeon fifty times to finally get Uber-Sword of Demon-Proc +35. Artifacts are either there, or they aren't, and if you took the thing, it's gone. (Even more pronounced in games like Morrowind that was only rudimentarily levelled. If you knew where to get X and could beat the enemies (provided there were any), you could get X at level 1 at first try.)
- Someone mentioned it but it bears repeating: The whole idea of an "endgame" is fundamentally alien to single-player RPGs. The idea that levelling up is only a necessary evil until you get to the "good" parts of the game, is exactly the opposite of what it should be, if you're coming from a single-player perspective. There, hitting level-cap is more or less a flaw, or at best an unfortunate limitation, and a strong sign you should finish the story, stop playing and start a new char.
- There's always people around you, and that can be seriously immersion-breaking. "Oh, we need you, the hero, to help us fight those monsters!" "Err... there are lots of other heroes doing that already..." "At the centre of this dungeon sits a powerful necromancer!" "Err... no, but there are three other people here who killed her a minute ago..."
- A significant portion of Tamriel's population seems to be affected by some kind of nervous breakdown, forcing them to hop around the place in the most silly way all the time.
- In the beginning, before One Tamriel, ESO lacked the exploration aspect of TES games. You were confined to one area and not allowed to leave until you had levelled up. And if you levelled too much, you didn't get XP any more - i.e. the game punishing you for playing it too much.

If you can take ESO for what it is - an MMO, with all the silliness and absurdities that MMOs naturally come with - then it's fun and a decent filler until an actual TES game comes around.

MercTheMage

Seriously, stop with this.
ESO is NOT Skyrim Online.

Izaki

They expected Skyrim online.

ghastley

Izaki wrote: »

They expected Skyrim online.

We actually got a reasonable approximation to that. ESO can be played as "Skyrim with friends" if you want to do so. You're cutting yourself off from a lot of the game if you do, but that may be enough for some.

And there are barriers to entry for players trying to grow into the group PvP side that make this really two games at once. Or maybe more.

fgoron2000

OP, you've made too much of a generalization...I'm sure that there are lots of people who resemble that remark, but by the comments here, you can see that there are also plenty of players who discount your assertion, and who also like, or even prefer ESO to Skyrim.

I started with Oblivion, then I played Morrowind, then Skyrim. I then played Arena, and after at least a half dozen tries, gave up on Daggerfall. Arena was fun, but as the graphics were already extremely dated by the time I played it, it was basically a playthrough one-off for me. The rest of the games, although I played the newer game more, I still played the previous games, just not as often. Morrowind was the only exception for me. I know that Morrowind is a favorite for those who may have played that one first, but since I played it after Oblivion, it was a bit off-putting due to the graphics and animation. I only played it about 3, maybe 4 times <g>, that's how good the entire series is. But going from Oblivion to Skyrim, to ESO, each time I thought that I couldn't play the newer game more than I played the previous one, and each time I was wrong.

I wouldn't necessarily say that I prefer ESO to Skyrim, but maybe I'm just more hooked. After playing ESO excessively for a while, I went back to Skyrim SE like a palate cleanser, and it was perhaps a mistake, because I couldn't play it the same way as the original, without a number of my favorite mods, especially SkyUI. There's an earlier version that works, but it's so different, that I couldn't get used to it. I know that SKSE 64bit is in development, but it's still in alpha. And the amount of time it would have taken to weed through all the existing mods for those that did work & those that didn't, took away from playing ESO.

Among the things that I miss from Skyrim are the freedom of unlimited leveling, and much less structure to skills & magic usage, as opposed to the sometimes structured aspects of the same in ESO. The flip side of the coin is that if I had to give up ESO and play only Skyrim, it would feel very restrictive without being among other players from all around the world at the same time in the same gameworld.

RupzSkooma

fgoron2000 wrote: »

OP, you've made too much of a generalization...I'm sure that there are lots of people who resemble that remark, but by the comments here, you can see that there are also plenty of players who discount your assertion, and who also like, or even prefer ESO to Skyrim.

I started with Oblivion, then I played Morrowind, then Skyrim. I then played Arena, and after at least a half dozen tries, gave up on Daggerfall. Arena was fun, but as the graphics were already extremely dated by the time I played it, it was basically a playthrough one-off for me. The rest of the games, although I played the newer game more, I still played the previous games, just not as often. Morrowind was the only exception for me. I know that Morrowind is a favorite for those who may have played that one first, but since I played it after Oblivion, it was a bit off-putting due to the graphics and animation. I only played it about 3, maybe 4 times <g>, that's how good the entire series is. But going from Oblivion to Skyrim, to ESO, each time I thought that I couldn't play the newer game more than I played the previous one, and each time I was wrong.

I wouldn't necessarily say that I prefer ESO to Skyrim, but maybe I'm just more hooked. After playing ESO excessively for a while, I went back to Skyrim SE like a palate cleanser, and it was perhaps a mistake, because I couldn't play it the same way as the original, without a number of my favorite mods, especially SkyUI. There's an earlier version that works, but it's so different, that I couldn't get used to it. I know that SKSE 64bit is in development, but it's still in alpha. And the amount of time it would have taken to weed through all the existing mods for those that did work & those that didn't, took away from playing ESO.

Among the things that I miss from Skyrim are the freedom of unlimited leveling, and much less structure to skills & magic usage, as opposed to the sometimes structured aspects of the same in ESO. The flip side of the coin is that if I had to give up ESO and play only Skyrim, it would feel very restrictive without being among other players from all around the world at the same time in the same gameworld.

SKSE64 will never (not at least in the foreseeable future) come out of Alpha because how software engineering works.skse64 is 100% stable in SSE and feature complete.

Drdeath20

Bcz theres not enough substance for immersion and its a more linear game with less eploration.

Yes the fighting is much better and your not always fighting the same skeletons in delves but far too much heart and soul is missing in eso. Furthermore they have altered this game far too many times and with each update less and less of the fun gets removed.

In skyrim leveling up just happened while you were questing.

In eso questing is the chore you do to level up and get skill points.

woufff

I love them both, playing now ESO for a year or so and really enjoy my time in the game. Skyrim seems more "serious" to me, but this is maybe because I have played ESO first, not the other way around. But I will certainly continue playing Skyrim when my time allows it. And that is just the "problem" with ESO, there is always something new to do and it really sucks you in

My conclusion: both games are fantastic in their own way

Panomania

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

You have a low bar for "clone"

...or a high bar for what I perceive as game quality.

Priyasekarssk

You are comparing a legendary game with another game. Its not even comparable. Skyrim set the bar so high , only very games can achieve. Period . Thread closed.

cyclonus11

because other people

Ectheliontnacil

Eso doesn't have skyrim nexus.