Why do skyrim players dislike Eso?

KiraTsukasa

I didn't play Oblivion or Morrowind, Skyrim was my first venture into Elder Scrolls, and I still like ESO for the most part.

Vanya

seipher09 wrote: »

I know it's been out for years and all but I just never understood why so many die hard Skyrim fans hated this game so much? I played Skyrim (never was able to beat it, got bored just smacking things with my sword).

Eso has better graphics I think by a long shot, the world's much bigger, the quests are about the same, there is more to do even with Skyrim addons, the combat is millions of times better over just left clicking and hitting with a sword over and over.

I'm curious what do the skyrim fans see that beats Eso? I'm sure some people here prefer Skyrim I'm curious why is all

Drem Yol Lok (:
You have sparked the fire within me

*Enters Whiterun* DOOOOVAHKIIN! *Summoned by Graybeards* *Turns around at the mountain* *Adrenaline Rush*

~ ~ ~ 11.11.11 ~ ~ ~ The Legend was born.

Please take note am t the Ultimate Skyrim fan , but the passion for Elder Scrolls grows by each passing hour. The craving is increasing indeed and the word hate does not even exist in my manual at all.

I shall tell thee based on my personal experience and pure comparison of the both games. I've spent substantial amount of time within the Land of the Nords and in my sincere opinion tis not about visuals. Heavily modded Elder Scrolls V Skyrim with mods is superior to Elder Scrolls Online in every way, I wouldn't even touch Special Edition which has vast potential. The latest ultra modded videos are stunning, its nearly unidentifiable for the Original ,even ofOriginal with Ultra settings on.

It is not even the Gameplay, I find ESO Combat greater than Skyrim and more challenging as well. It lacks diversity and Versatility and complexity of the builds of the Elder Scrolls Online. Once you know the trick, even Legendary difficulty can feel as Novice. Its nothing, One can one shoot foes with faultless efficiently. Animations,style and overall system is more satisfactory and pleasant.

Soundtrack ~ Very difficult. Elder scrolls V Skyrim Main theme is unrivalled. The Elder scrolls Main theme takes the second place for me. Both games have extraordinary audio score, I have yet to experience the game in its full glory. Time shall tell.

What is it then?

Breathtaking Epic story, Unmatched immersion, The Magic of Skyrim and in depth lore , that atmosphere and land has simply captured the souls and hearts of so many, characters with even superb sense of humour. The Skyrim back in the release was so famed,hyped, revolutionary in sense. Dragons, Thu'um, DLC,Incredible amount of mods and seemingly infinite freedom. ~ The Modding community of Skyrim is the most dedicated and determined I've seen.

It nigh impossible to describe by a common words.The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim for me is the greatest Elder scrolls game ever released. Nothing can match the immersion of the Skyrim.

~ Walk/run the town and impress dull-witted guards and citizens with Thu'um shouts or magic! Whoa , Whoa!!

~Slay a random testosterone raging dragon in the woods or climb the summit of the rmountain preferably North of Windhelm/Winterhold or near Markarath. Of special note with Markarath, Incredibly comprehensive lore of the Dwemer. One can spent dozens of hours within Markarath only as an example which is personally the most intriguing and unique city of them all.

That feel when you approach a Shout wall after a very tough fight. Adrenaline pump up and Testosterone burning within you. Indescribable.

~ The exploration, Nordic/Dwemer Ruins/caves/Towns/ ,As I told thee before. The map is small compared to ESO even was at the release, but the each quest has incredible quality and every cave ,ruin is different.They aren't copied at all.

~ While in Solstheim you must be aware. Although, to be fair, even though they're rare, you might want to prepare for the Werebears there!!

Raid a random Falmer/Forsworn/Bandit camp or devastate entire Fotress. Cleanse the deadra minions. Stab the Blood-sucking vampire Lords.

~ Construct the house, give your child a Wooden doll or a toy sword.Grab a coin from your wife.

~ Legendary Dialogue, Dragon language, The entire journey from Ruins of Helgen until summit of Apocrypha.

~ Masterful voice acting, complex characters , Do I need to take note of High king of Skyrim Ulfric,Master-Wizard Neloth, Evil Genius Cicero or Serana?

Read the book, learn about Tamriel lore.A bit more of random venture into unknown or completing a side quest for some of the factions. Sit and relax at random peculiar point and so on..

~ The Ultimate Immersion , every city, character and even little point of interest feels more greater,richer,larger,more comprehensive,detailed, Sit by the fire in Jorrvaskr or walk in the Whiterun.. Do not mistake me, I find Elder Scrolls to an extraordinary game in its own, but nothing ever shall compare to Children of the Sky.

Comparing World design of Skyrim and Elder Scrolls, surely Elder Scrolls is more diverse and the journey takes across all of the Tamriel, but by Ysmir, Mountains and Wilderness of Skyrim.... The view, World design was masterful, which is funny because the world scale is small , but it feels vast, It's the illusion of the vastness. Only a true master can fashion such a world. "You can travel so far in such a tiny little zone"

The words wisphered are nothing more than a tiny little fragment of the massive Dwemer ruin.

A spark in the vast sea of the stars.

The impact of this game was beyond any mortal comprehension ,even Daedra Lords.

Fear not,Be Dragon or Giant we will be ready

I used to be an adventurer like you ,but than Skyrim devoured my life.

No matter what we receive in near future,even in the next 50 years from this day and forth. Nothing shall be the same.

The story,setting,characters,immersion,parodies,overall impact and land of Skyrim are simply incomparable. The game is eternal and it shall live in our hearts...

Whiterun!!

From there It all started.We have embarked on Epic quest. Our true Journey begun when we heard the bone chilling Call DOVAHKIIIIN! all the way from Throat of the World The summoning of Graybeards! I must admit I personally had no idea about Highest mountain,some crazy old madmen living in isolation with ability to rip you apart with the power of voice! and How could I NOT add Lydia. The most famous Follower First traders,Taverns,Whiterun guards with Legendary quotes,Hall of Companions and dozens of very memorable characters. Whiterun has incomparable view at mountains and landscape. The city of Whiterun is the most iconic and well known city as well. It has been used a lot in trailers,parody series,Art and nearly every player would have ventured from Riverwood ~ Whiterun. Extra ~ After Whiterun I'll add Markarth for unique Dwemer architecture and very rich incredibly absorbing lore.

Followers!

By Ysmir! There are more than few in the end of the ballad I'll pick ~

Serana, A Vampire. She is a perfect follower. I love her looks(The most gorgeous Vampire Lady),style(Robes I want them!),voice(The voice actor has a calm,charming voice,a bit seductive as well) ,story(Dawnguard),extensive lore which lasts from very moment we she utters a word and her popping out of coffin!We can learn a lot about Vampire heritage,her family and even Elder Scrolls. Nearly unmatched in combat, very powerful and reliable combatat with a potent soul trap of a random creature. She along with Cicero has suprisingly a lot of dialogue and she shall not hesitate to comment about random events, cities and she can even offer you her own blood. Become one of the Night walkers

Extra (He cannot be a follower)

SPECIAL MENTION ( Character ) ~ Neloth

~ Neloth is an eccentric, self-absorbed, tyrannical taskmaster with little to no regard for the safety of his apprentices or employees. He cares little for sentimentality or manners, not because he deliberately sets out to be malicious, rather because he sees little value in it. A fact that makes many of his workers disgruntled.
One of my personal favourite characters in the game. There is surprising amount of dialogue and quests connected to our Wizard Dunmer He is an insane, I love to compare him to Cicero,but his insanity,twisted sense of humour and unique dialogue is brilliant

Hint: The Neloth alone has 50 minutes of recorded voice dialogue.

I know only few things more thrilling,enjoyable and superbly captivating than slaying mighty dragons on top of the mountain,capturing one,clearing Nordic Ruins and learning about tons of Lore and History of Skyrim, even Tamriel. From Escape of Helgen ~ Until Sovngarde and final clash with Alduin the World Eater! ,tThe factions such are Dark Brotherhood or College of Winterhold are superb,nearly every quest which can happen by reading a book,entering a fort,ruin or witnessing the random murder,etc, All of them are very well done. You have asked for Questline and I shall answer you most definitely the Main questline. Independent quests unrelated to any Questline would be Daedric quests which are beautiful,sick,perverse,brutal ,but genuisly done Whoever envisioned such a masterpiece is not normal,but normal is overrated. I loved it insane.



Forever

I shall conclude my post with the epic speech of the True High king of Skyrim who was voiced by Vladimir Kulich a person who played Viking more than once A true Nord in real life as well.

As well as the song of Dragonborn ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsnRQJxanVM

Ulfric: "I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil. I fight for their wives and children, who's [sic] names I heard whispered in their last breaths. I fight for we few who did come home, only to find our country full of strangers wearing familiar faces. I fight for my people impoverished to pay the debts of an Empire too weak to rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves! I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing. I fight... because I must."
Galmar: "Your words give voice to what we all feel, Ulfric. And that's why you will be High King. But the day words are enough, will be the day when soldiers like us are no longer needed."

Malaukah ~ Incredibly gorgeous song *Shreds tear*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOkkE93coIg

Dovahkiin, Dovahkiin
naal ok zin los vahriin
wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal!
Ahrk fin norok paal graan
fod nust hon zindro zaan
Dovahkiin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!

Huzrah nu, kul do od, wah aan bok lingrah vod
Ahrk fin tey, boziik fun, do fin gein!
Wo lost fron wah ney dov
ahrk fin reyliik do jul
voth aan suleyk wah ronit faal krein

Ahrk fin kel lost prodah,
Do ved viing ko fin krah,
Tol fod zeymah win kein meyz fundein!
Alduin, feyn do jun,
kruziik vokun staadnau,
voth aan bahlok wah diivon fin lein!

Nuz aan sul, fent alok,
fod fin vul dovah nok,
fen kos nahlot mahfaeraak ahrk ruz!
Paaz Keizaal fen kos stin nol bein Alduin jot!

Dovahkiin, Dovahkiin
naal ok zin los vahriin
wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal!
Ahrk fin norok paal graan
fod nust hon zindro zaan
Dovahkiin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!

...


Our hero,our hero claims the warriors

MrDenimChicken

seipher09 wrote: »

I know it's been out for years and all but I just never understood why so many die hard Skyrim fans hated this game so much? I played Skyrim (never was able to beat it, got bored just smacking things with my sword).

Eso has better graphics I think by a long shot, the world's much bigger, the quests are about the same, there is more to do even with Skyrim addons, the combat is millions of times better over just left clicking and hitting with a sword over and over.

I'm curious what do the skyrim fans see that beats Eso? I'm sure some people here prefer Skyrim I'm curious why is all

Idk man your comments make me think you didn't play Skyrim.

Skyrim had better graphics by far in my opinion. There would be moments in Skyrim that you would have a panoramic view seeing mountains for what seemed like miles, whereas this game has that fog that really hurts those "wow" views. And Skyrim's maps had much more vertical elements, where you could climb mountains and such.

ESO's world is definitely much bigger. But it doesn't seem quite as exploration driven. Skyrim you really felt like you had an entire world out there and you didn't know what you were going to see. This game it's a bit more formulaic (in the original zones, the new zones are MUCH improved). The zones seem to make you go in one "direction", from the starting point to the finish point, where you go to the next zone.

The quests in Skyrim are superior to the original zones in this game. Skyrim had a more serious tone, with better writing, and there were branching dialogue options. The branching dialogue options make a monumental difference for immersion. This game tends to have quests and dialogues be much more PG rated.

And then you factor in just the weird stuff in this game. Like bugs where NPC faces start drooping or caving in. Infinite load screens and 5 fps in Cyrodil. And you see random npc's in cities that are just like, randomly staring around like zombies with no life at all. Or the npc will be playing some lute and literally not moving any part of his/her body and just the fingers. And then there are no kid npcs. The npc's seem to be somewhat half-assed. I know this probably seems nit-picky, but it's minor things that tend to increase immersion in these types of games.

Now combat in this game is much, much better. And the new zones, especially Morrowind, are finally getting close to reaching the level of immersion and questing quality that we saw in Skyrim.

If this game came out with every zone being the same quality as Morrowind, this game would have been a huge success right out of the gate. Sadly, the original zones compared to the DLC zones are inferior in quality and effort.

Bevik

They shouldn't be compared, been said Skyrim is one of the best single player RPG game, ESO is one of the best MMORPG. Eventhough I liked Skyrim so much with all the mods and beauty I have to admit ESO beats Skyrim for me. I played Oblivion aswell and Morrowind was my very first RPG in my life. Never thought of that I will ever memorize the towns, cities, names, having a notepad near me writing down things. And let's be honest memories fade away and we like to think that our beloved game is the one and only.

ESO is the Skyrim in MMOs world.

myskyrim26

I played Skyrim, Morrowind and Oblivion. I love these games.
I do love ESO - mostly. I love the ocean of lore that ESO gives us. Lore is everywhere, in books and dialogues, stolen treasures and quest items, architecture and landscapes. I love the quests (I couldn't imagine that I will talk to Shalidor himself!), the landscapes, all that mounts, pets and costumes, homes and furniture, and those tiny details everywhere. I love ESO music and animation done with care.
I don't like nearly the whole MMO part of ESO. I don't mean that it's done badly, It's just me - I prefer single games.
Two skill panels, rotation - a crazy piano that is all about how quickly you manage to hit buttons. I hate farming mats to to do dailies, doing dailies to obtain motifs, farming mats to get gold for motifs that don't drop no matter how hard I am doing dailies, rushing to farm even more mats to get the gold for Luxury furniture.
Players ruining the athmosphere (for example, riding a Frostbane Bear in Alik'r desert or messing up a delve). Of course, I deram of a singleplayer version of ESO - let it be just the same, with ESO+ and, what is important, with the same Crown Store and crates, but a single-player.

MW2K

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I didn't play Oblivion or Morrowind, Skyrim was my first venture into Elder Scrolls, and I still like ESO for the most part.

Get hold of them. Get hold of Arena and Daggerfall too (both free and modded to work on modern systems). Give them a playthrough. Skyrim is an excellent game, but you're missing out on an experience.

Ilithyania

you cant be overpowerd with rings that do 304 k unarmed damage

Violynne

One of my friends, who I've been asking to join me in ESO, stated they won't play ESO because they find it boring.

(paraphrasing)

The game looks 2D, flat, uninteresting. What's with the fog that never lifts? Can't even see the world we're playing in. The skill trees looked cool, but they're limited. Skyrim gives me flexibility to be my own character, not just a mage or S&B. If I don't like skills halfway through the game, I can change them. Mods make Skyrim the best RPG game on the market. You can't use mods in ESO.

I often see similar comments from others who tried/reviewed ESO.

I also have to admit there's honesty in those words above. Even I've felt restricted by this game's inability to allow us to design our characters, instead focusing on the exact same elements every other MMO offers.

I've explained to my friend comparing the two games isn't something one can easily do. The graphics limitations are due to the volume of other players (and we all know consoles can't do well in this area) and the classes may be strict, but what you can do within them offers several options.

If ESO had been titled to anything other than the "Elder Scrolls" franchise name, these discussions wouldn't be occurring.

I've not seen anyone compare Wow to Skyrim, yet it's also a fantasy based game using the same mechanics.

I will close out by saying one thing on a personal note: Oblivion is the best {expletive} ES franchise game I've ever played, so it boggles me why there aren't more Oblivion comparisons.

Skyrim was good, but those who've never played Oblivion will never realize how much Skyrim stripped the "RPG" elements from the franchise.

Just like Fallout 4 did with that franchise.

potirondb16_ESO

When the game launch it was a lot like Skyrim upon a lot of regard, it has the same versatility of playstyle (more for magicka then stamina but still) and had a lot of questing content which was actually pretty hard and interesting. But what happened I think is that some player didn't like the fact that it wasn't Skyrim and that some change had to be done to the game to bring a more dynamic experience. Even though the developer really made a lot of publicity about this game being just like the normal evolution of the previous one.

The most common issue were :

- Difficulty level wasn't scalable
Most people coming from Skyrim were looking for a similar experience and what Zenimax didn't expect to find out was that a big part of the Skyrim community was actually compose of casual player who'd enjoy their previous game at the lowest difficulty possible. That revelation killed the game at launch for a lot of player since ESO was actually pretty hard to master and so a lot player who wanted to give this game a try ended up feeling like they had bought Dark Soul for some reason

- First person wasn't a thing
At launch there was also a lot of emphasis about a well remember Fake News which was: ''player are actually playing this game first person !'' It was obviously a lie to bring more people from the previous Elder's Scroll game inside this one but since the AoE were unforgiving and the overall difficulty level was pretty high. Some of the Skyrim crowd who wanted to play first person started to realise that... it wasn't gonna be a thing and got mad

-Not so interesting to group up
Main objective of Elder's Scroll was not to create an MMORPG but an Online Role Playing Game, the difference ? it was suppose to bring friend together to play an Elder's Scroll Game and even though this kind of goal stick into the community minds for quite some times and eventually will come back when the game population will start to drop. It did create a lot of expectation for the quest to be fun to do within a group. This was a huge failure since quest were not updating at the same time and a lot of objectives needed to be done by both player such as gathering item or killing a specific target

So overall I think that one of the main reason why some Skyrim Fan aren't ESO fan is because they didn't receive the game they were expecting and got the feeling we were looking for their money in all this. As for now, I think the game reputation is way more in line with the actual player experience so it is actually easier to decide whether or not to join in, and it's all for the better I think.

The_Lex

I am a long-time TES fan, having played every game in the series. Moreover, I've put in 1000s of hours in Skyrim. As you can tell from my sig, however, I also Iove playing ESO as well.

Why do Skyrim players hate ESO? Well, not all do, but for the one's who do:

1. Poor initial marketing of the game. This game was pegged as Skyrim with friends (essentially a co-op). I saved emails that lead a reasonable person to that assumption.

2. ESO is the main reason why TES6 has not been announced, teased, or released. A quick read of gaming forums will show you that SP TES fans believe that ESO was designed to "placate" TES fans while Bethesda puts the series on the back-burner in favor of other projects.

3. ESO is primarily an MMO in a TES wrapper. Not the other way around.

4. Not nearly as immersive as a SP game. But this is a consequence of it being an MMO.

5. Characters and certain landscapes look too cartoonish. Exploring new lands is a huge draw, though.

6. Nords are presented as goofballs in this game and there is no real reason to pick them, gameplay-wise. *This is a huge drawback to Skyrim fans.

7. Related to #2, # 3, and #4: You are not *really* the hero of the story in ESO. TES games are built around the concept of story-telling. Each SP game tells a story from the perspective of the people of the land, i.e., Skyrim's story and presentation of lore is rooted firmly in the world-view of the Nords. Yet, through it all, YOU are the hero (the main character, if you will) of the story. In ESO, you are one of many heros. Yeah, yeah, dragon break, lore reasons, etc. Nevertheless, you are one of thousands of soulless ones...you are one of thousands who could *only* defeat <insert bad guy, boss, or dungeon here>.

As I said, I love ESO, will continue paying my ESO+ dues, and playing the heck out of this game. That said, if and when TES6 is released. I will drop ESO like a hot potato.

SkillzMFG

Astrid_V wrote: »

Cause they can't play how they want, for example running with 2h sword and casting magic spells.

But you couldn't do that in Skyrim as far as I know, right? You can swing your two hand and cast spells sure, but for how long will that be effective after your enemies level up and you need to commit to a perk tree?

The_Lex

SkillzMFG wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Cause they can't play how they want, for example running with 2h sword and casting magic spells.

But you couldn't do that in Skyrim as far as I know, right? You can swing your two hand and cast spells sure, but for how long will that be effective after your enemies level up and you need to commit to a perk tree?

It's quite viable. I've run through a build on master using a 2H axe and frost spells. Made it through all the DLCs and related content. In fact, there are a great many published Skyrim builds that utilize 2h and magic.

https://tamrielvault.com/groups/topic/view/group_id/3/topic_id/9211

strangeradnd

SkillzMFG wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Cause they can't play how they want, for example running with 2h sword and casting magic spells.

But you couldn't do that in Skyrim as far as I know, right? You can swing your two hand and cast spells sure, but for how long will that be effective after your enemies level up and you need to commit to a perk tree?

Every build was viable in Skyrim. It didn't matter is you specialized in speech and thieves skills you could still find a way through all the content even on the Legendary setting. Of course you eventually could fill all your skill trees so where you start becomes irrelevant at some point.

paulychan

All I had to do in Skyrim was bow sneak.
Eso is a lot of fun

Jade1986

Personally I LIKED the storytelling in skyrim better, however, recently ZoS has really stepped it up with the story contents quality, so Im liking ESO more all around now. Especially the combat.

Sekero

Caitsith wrote: »

I've played both games, and I dislike Skyrim more than ESO.

Snip....

I tend to agree with you on this. My biggest complaint with Skyrim (and the reason I stopped playing it fairly quickly) was how you were steamrollered into joining all the guilds to progress the story. Remember the hoops you have to jump through to get Giermund's amulet? I still play Oblivion, and have never joined TG or DB. Some chars do Mages, some do Fighters, some do both. Since 1Tamriel, there is an echo of that same freedom in ESO, which is why I like it (one of the reasons, anyway).

rumple9

Skyrim was a pile of sh1*e on PC - poor console port full of bugs.

Oblivion on ther otherhand was a masterpiece in its day

wenchmore420b14_ESO

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I am a long-time TES fan, having played every game in the series. Moreover, I've put in 1000s of hours in Skyrim. As you can tell from my sig, however, I also Iove playing ESO as well.

Why do Skyrim players hate ESO? Well, not all do, but for the one's who do:

1. Poor initial marketing of the game. This game was pegged as Skyrim with friends (essentially a co-op). I saved emails that lead a reasonable person to that assumption.

2. ESO is the main reason why TES6 has not been announced, teased, or released. A quick read of gaming forums will show you that SP TES fans believe that ESO was designed to "placate" TES fans while Bethesda puts the series on the back-burner in favor of other projects.

3. ESO is primarily an MMO in a TES wrapper. Not the other way around.

4. Not nearly as immersive as a SP game. But this is a consequence of it being an MMO.

5. Characters and certain landscapes look too cartoonish. Exploring new lands is a huge draw, though.

6. Nords are presented as goofballs in this game and there is no real reason to pick them, gameplay-wise. *This is a huge drawback to Skyrim fans.

7. Related to #2, # 3, and #4: You are not *really* the hero of the story in ESO. TES games are built around the concept of story-telling. Each SP game tells a story from the perspective of the people of the land, i.e., Skyrim's story and presentation of lore is rooted firmly in the world-view of the Nords. Yet, through it all, YOU are the hero (the main character, if you will) of the story. In ESO, you are one of many heros. Yeah, yeah, dragon break, lore reasons, etc. Nevertheless, you are one of thousands of soulless ones...you are one of thousands who could *only* defeat <insert bad guy, boss, or dungeon here>.

As I said, I love ESO, will continue paying my ESO+ dues, and playing the heck out of this game. That said, if and when TES6 is released. I will drop ESO like a hot potato.

I personally like ESO more than Skyrim. Have been a "TES Fan" since 2002.
Couple of observations to above statements:

1. I never thought or assumed ESO was gonna be a "Skyrim Co-op", and I had tracked ESO since it's original announcement and was in beta. Even "ShoddyCast", who did weekly YT Vids on ESO for over a year b4 release, didn't hype it as such. i believe it was just 'Wishful Thinking" on part of Skyrim fans.
2. FYI... ESO was in development BEFORE Skyrim was released. ESO was in development for over 7 years before it was even announced. No interview I have seen with Todd or Pete say they are placating players with ESO. TES6 has been said by Todd to be developed after they finish the 2 new IP's they are working on now. TES6 eta...approx 2020-2022.
I DID find a statement by Todd that said the MAIN reason they are waiting on TES6 is for the tech to catch up to what he wants and that tech hasn't been developed yet.
5. Look at other MMO's. I don't think ESO is near as cartoonish as others. (WoW, etc). Yes, single player games will always look better. You must look at the sheer size of data in a MMO, and ESO is one of the biggest.

I Love TES! Have for almost 20 years.
But IMO, Skyrim wasn't even one of the best. But I am happy with ESO and I find it a great addition to the TES Family.
Just my 2 drakes....Huzzah!

The_Lex

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

I am a long-time TES fan, having played every game in the series. Moreover, I've put in 1000s of hours in Skyrim. As you can tell from my sig, however, I also Iove playing ESO as well.

Why do Skyrim players hate ESO? Well, not all do, but for the one's who do:

1. Poor initial marketing of the game. This game was pegged as Skyrim with friends (essentially a co-op). I saved emails that lead a reasonable person to that assumption.

2. ESO is the main reason why TES6 has not been announced, teased, or released. A quick read of gaming forums will show you that SP TES fans believe that ESO was designed to "placate" TES fans while Bethesda puts the series on the back-burner in favor of other projects.

3. ESO is primarily an MMO in a TES wrapper. Not the other way around.

4. Not nearly as immersive as a SP game. But this is a consequence of it being an MMO.

5. Characters and certain landscapes look too cartoonish. Exploring new lands is a huge draw, though.

6. Nords are presented as goofballs in this game and there is no real reason to pick them, gameplay-wise. *This is a huge drawback to Skyrim fans.

7. Related to #2, # 3, and #4: You are not *really* the hero of the story in ESO. TES games are built around the concept of story-telling. Each SP game tells a story from the perspective of the people of the land, i.e., Skyrim's story and presentation of lore is rooted firmly in the world-view of the Nords. Yet, through it all, YOU are the hero (the main character, if you will) of the story. In ESO, you are one of many heros. Yeah, yeah, dragon break, lore reasons, etc. Nevertheless, you are one of thousands of soulless ones...you are one of thousands who could *only* defeat <insert bad guy, boss, or dungeon here>.

As I said, I love ESO, will continue paying my ESO+ dues, and playing the heck out of this game. That said, if and when TES6 is released. I will drop ESO like a hot potato.

I personally like ESO more than Skyrim. Have been a "TES Fan" since 2002.
Couple of observations to above statements:

1. I never thought or assumed ESO was gonna be a "Skyrim Co-op", and I had tracked ESO since it's original announcement and was in beta. Even "ShoddyCast", who did weekly YT Vids on ESO for over a year b4 release, didn't hype it as such. i believe it was just 'Wishful Thinking" on part of Skyrim fans.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, there were some pressers that were clearly "of the cuff" - not on script - that lent itself to that misconception. Quite a few people were caught up in wishful thinking.

3. FYI... ESO was in development BEFORE Skyrim was released. ESO was in development for over 7 years before it was even announced. No interview I have seen with Todd or Pete say they are placating players with ESO. TES6 has been said by Todd to be developed after they finish the 2 new IP's they are working on now. TES6 eta...approx 2020-2022.
I DID find a statement by Todd that said the MAIN reason they are waiting on TES6 is for the tech to catch up to what he wants and that tech hasn't been developed yet.

I didn't say that as if it were fact. I was just posting what I see and read. I am a moderator of a very large TES/Fallout forum site. I hear this complaint quite often.

Further, of course, Todd or Uncle Pete would never say that. This is flowing from the frustration that a TES game hasn't been released in almost 7 years now.

6. Look at other MMO's. I don't think ESO is near as cartoonish as others. (WoW, etc). Yes, single player games will always look better. You must look at the sheer size of data in a MMO, and ESO is one of the biggest.

Again, no disagreement there. However, the OP was about why Skyrim fans don't like ESO. Not Skyrim fans who ALSO play ESO. The Skyrim fans who don't like ESO will claim that the game is cartoony, when compared to a single-player game. With mods and such, peopple have made their Skyrim look photo-realistic, myself included. It's actually quite impressive.

I Love TES! Have for almost 20 years.
But IMO, Skyrim wasn't even one of the best. But I am happy with ESO and I find it a great addition to the TES Family.
Just my 2 drakes....Huzzah!

Me too! I've played ESO as a beta tester. Then my PC died. I picked the game back up on console release and have been playing it ever since.

Tholian1

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Again, no disagreement there. However, the OP was about why Skyrim fans don't like ESO. Not Skyrim fans who ALSO play ESO. The Skyrim fans who don't like ESO will claim that the game is cartoony, when compared to a single-player game. With mods and such, peopple have made their Skyrim look photo-realistic, myself included. It's actually quite impressive.

When I did the console beta, that was my first impression of ESO. Very cartoony and a step backwards in quality. The look has grown on me since then and I don’t even compare it with Skyrim anymore.

The_Lex

Tholian1 wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Again, no disagreement there. However, the OP was about why Skyrim fans don't like ESO. Not Skyrim fans who ALSO play ESO. The Skyrim fans who don't like ESO will claim that the game is cartoony, when compared to a single-player game. With mods and such, peopple have made their Skyrim look photo-realistic, myself included. It's actually quite impressive.

When I did the console beta, that was my first impression of ESO. Very cartoony and a step backwards in quality. The look has grown on me since then and I don’t even compare it with Skyrim anymore.

I am the same way. Plus, as you would expect, the graphics and art style has improved over time. Imo, it does both games a vast disservice to compare them to each other. They are very different games and they have to be taken as such, period.

Morrison001

The only thing i can really think of would be The character's are Limited when it comes. By that i mean They can't really pick up more powers along the way Out side of what comes with the class and race. Not talking about guild skills and even that is limited. In The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim are not being limited. you were able to pick up New spells along the way as a warlock Or mage what ever you want to call your self when your mastery the arcane art's ESO Has its limits. I've Been Playing Online MMORPG's For a Long time.From free to plays Like Lunia 12sky1 and 12sky2 to Dragons Nest, Blade N souls, Tera Online. Maplestory Lot of other game in the list of free to play. Guild Wars 1 games.Then it was Guild Wars 2, WoW I have been playing that For a long time Up till i stop I have try to get back in on the other wow expansions - the last 2. FFXIV Online That games Character's were not limited at all and they had a small Skill Bar. You only needed one Character as He or her was not limited at all. If you wanted to play a Red mage You did it. If you wanted to also play as paladin Pick up the Job. Anything Type of class Or in this case Job you wanted You only needed to pick it up. At any time you were able to switch to what you wanted to play as.You would have to Lvl that job up. So if you play as a Max lvl paladin and wanted to become a Red mage You would start at lvl 1 as a red mage or what ever lvl it started you at. When you switched back to The Paladin Job you would be the same lvl you were in it before picking up the Red Mage Job. Freedom to become anything you wanted.If it was not for the story of that game i would of stayed but I don't like how My character just never really Got any Credit and was a true hero. It bug me I like getting Credit and I hate when some one take my Credit In Games or RL and that's why I stop playing it. SWTOR Was the other other one I wanted to list an the list can go on an on. So been playing MMORPG's For a long time. I don't really care for the skill Bar Switching In ESO but I do Enjoy playing ESO. But not as much as i liked playing skyrim Or the other games in the list. I would say ESO is not for everyone. I love the kill cam in this game but Elder Scrolls V Skyrim Had better ones. But that's a single player It did not matter if you were OP or Not. ESO and Elder scrolls V Are not the game game Only the same in Name.I think People Like and hate this game for different reasons. But you Should never Let them stop you from Enjoying what you love to do In this case maybe it's ESO. Also If your friends don't want to play this game that's ok don't wast your time with trying to sell them on the game. just make New Friends in ESO or what ever game you play.I think that is the best part of any Game is making new Friends and Memory. I know I have a lot. Hope I was able to help.

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