Why do skyrim players dislike Eso?

DeadlyPhoenix

Real quick to expand on my previous post.

Better lighting. Better shadows. Npcs had schedules and would sleep, eat, sell at certain times. Magic users weren't forced into wielding a weapon, including a staff. Had several branches of magic, alteration, conjuring, etc.

As I said, the list goes on and on. The game should and could have been much more immersive and I think their numbers would have been better if they had built it in a similar style to their single player games.

Tholian1

ESO was marketed as a “Skyrim with friends”. I have even received emails that mentions Skyrim while promoting ESO.

Vet levels made joining up with friends very difficult to do unless you leveled characters together. So it is understandable why some Skyrim fans were very disappointed when they found out that the “with friends” part wasn’t very accurate. It was more like, “Skyrim with (against) strangers that are at your same level and could possibly become friends.”

SydneyGrey

Not sure why you think Skyrim fans don't like ESO. That's a really bizarre assumption.

I'm a Skyrim fan and love ESO. I also loved Oblivion and the original Morrowind, but Skyrim was my favorite.

NewBlacksmurf

aliyavana wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Because if you were to compare in terms of if they both released at the same time the gameplay in ESO is largely worse.

There are some really good features in ESO don’t get me wrong but if Skyrim and ESO were released the same year it wouldn’t be close.

Skyrim all the way but I don’t hate ESO or dislike ESO because of that, I’m sure my dislike is due to ZOS 100%

I disagree, gameplay in eso is more complex than an unmodded skyrim. Now eso PvP lag on the other hand...

What is complex at all in ESO?

Honest question because if you compare the two, the only challenging content is learning to work together with others on group content but the game itself is in no way more complex.

Ppl literally have builds and rotations which tells you it’s not complex because if you can develop a build and rotation, it means it’s straight forward.

Skyrim on the other hand requires adventuring around and build specific skills and finding items just to have a chance to complete content. Nothing about Skyrim is a face roll unless you’ve at a level with crafted items and surpass all content.

PVP ...I’m not sure what other games you’ve played but PvP in this is a joke and not complex at all. To me it’s dumb because largely no one played it in terms of the story and even if you do there’s no rewards for doing so.

My perspective of PvP would be something like comparing ESO to Elite Dangerous in Open PvP with being aligned to a Power

Rosveen

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nothing about Skyrim is a face roll unless you’ve at a level with crafted items and surpass all content.

What difficulty level did you play on?

Glurin

I was around to see it happen. It all comes down to erroneous expectations. They expected Skyrim with multiplayer and threw a fit when they got an MMO set in the ES universe. That's really all there was to it.

Aliyavana

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Because if you were to compare in terms of if they both released at the same time the gameplay in ESO is largely worse.

There are some really good features in ESO don’t get me wrong but if Skyrim and ESO were released the same year it wouldn’t be close.

Skyrim all the way but I don’t hate ESO or dislike ESO because of that, I’m sure my dislike is due to ZOS 100%

I disagree, gameplay in eso is more complex than an unmodded skyrim. Now eso PvP lag on the other hand...

What is complex at all in ESO?

Honest question because if you compare the two, the only challenging content is learning to work together with others on group content but the game itself is in no way more complex.

Ppl literally have builds and rotations which tells you it’s not complex because if you can develop a build and rotation, it means it’s straight forward.

Skyrim on the other hand requires adventuring around and build specific skills and finding items just to have a chance to complete content. Nothing about Skyrim is a face roll unless you’ve at a level with crafted items and surpass all content.

Skyrim pretty easy on legendary difficulty with the only challenge being not dieing of boredom wacking at a damage sponge or adventuring at the 40th look alike draugr ruin. Any other difficulty is pretty straight forward with poking a sword at the flesh bit. I found stealth bow combat to be the most enjoyable consistantly across sp tes games.

Eso has elements like animation canceling, gear builds, theory crafting, racials mattering a lot more and dropped gear being meaningful and dropped from hard content.

Exploration wise, In skyrim it sucked that most daedric artifacts could be outclassed by a crafted dragonbone weapon with custom enchants.

Atleast In morrowind you could find daedric artifacts littered all over the map and they remained relevant through endgame atleast so exploration was best in tes 3 morrowind.

DeadlyPhoenix

Glurin wrote: »

I was around to see it happen. It all comes down to erroneous expectations. They expected Skyrim with multiplayer and threw a fit when they got an MMO set in the ES universe. That's really all there was to it.

That is not all there is to it. I wanted an MMO set in the TES series.... However the way in which they did it is what I have issues with. You cannot tell me an MMO version of Skyrim couldn't work. Why did they have to change, simplify and overall dumb down almost every gameplay mechanic to make it online?

Usually things are more complex in MMOs, not the other way around.

They took the skills, shredded them, gave us a few similar abilities. Gutted the melee and bow combat. There are a ton of MMOs with more to do and better gameplay. The only thing that keeps me here is the elder scrolls lore. Other than that it is a sub-par MMO and I have played more than my fair share starting with Ultima Online, working through DAoC, Asherons Call, WoW, Guild Wars, and a ton of other MMORPGs.

The fact that they made it into an MMO is what I wanted. They way they did it was poor.

LadyLethalla

I started playing TES in Oblivion on PC (tried Morrowind afterward and did not like it at all). Then played the original (PS3) Skyrim to death. Purchased the Special Edition PS4 and enjoyed that, though that was before the release of Beth's paid mod thingy that I can't remember the name of... and then I purchased the PSVR Edition of Skyrim and enjoyed the hell out of that (once I'd gotten over the motion sickness, anyway). I have never played Skyrim with mods, so perhaps that's why I have enjoyed ESO since release - which is, Sony keeps telling me - why I have put thousands of hours into it.

I went into it without any friends playing it, and I've made several since, so I wasn't expecting "Skyrim with friends" (even after all this time I'm still mostly a solo player). But yeah, I agree with those who've said it's the graphics and the storywriting. When I do get bored I go play something else for a while but it's not usually very long before something in ESO piques my interest and I'm back into it full time.

RupzSkooma

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

I was around to see it happen. It all comes down to erroneous expectations. They expected Skyrim with multiplayer and threw a fit when they got an MMO set in the ES universe. That's really all there was to it.

That is not all there is to it. I wanted an MMO set in the TES series.... However the way in which they did it is what I have issues with. You cannot tell me an MMO version of Skyrim couldn't work. Why did they have to change, simplify and overall dumb down almost every gameplay mechanic to make it online?

Usually things are more complex in MMOs, not the other way around.

They took the skills, shredded them, gave us a few similar abilities. Gutted the melee and bow combat. There are a ton of MMOs with more to do and better gameplay. The only thing that keeps me here is the elder scrolls lore. Other than that it is a sub-par MMO and I have played more than my fair share starting with Ultima Online, working through DAoC, Asherons Call, WoW, Guild Wars, and a ton of other MMORPGs.

The fact that they made it into an MMO is what I wanted. They way they did it was poor.

I am pretty sure you are in the minority of people who wanted a legit ES MMO. But you should be happy u got it.Only thing good for ES fan in ESO is , it is as solo friendly as an MMO can be. There are a LOT of people who find MMO tidious.


But out of all MMO I think ESO is one of the best in the market right now.

Tholian1

LadyLethalla wrote: »

...and then I purchased the PSVR Edition of Skyrim and enjoyed the hell out of that

Me too! It is amazing to be so immersed in the game like that. Too bad there is no VR option for ESO as well.

DeadlyPhoenix

RupzSkooma wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

I was around to see it happen. It all comes down to erroneous expectations. They expected Skyrim with multiplayer and threw a fit when they got an MMO set in the ES universe. That's really all there was to it.

That is not all there is to it. I wanted an MMO set in the TES series.... However the way in which they did it is what I have issues with. You cannot tell me an MMO version of Skyrim couldn't work. Why did they have to change, simplify and overall dumb down almost every gameplay mechanic to make it online?

Usually things are more complex in MMOs, not the other way around.

They took the skills, shredded them, gave us a few similar abilities. Gutted the melee and bow combat. There are a ton of MMOs with more to do and better gameplay. The only thing that keeps me here is the elder scrolls lore. Other than that it is a sub-par MMO and I have played more than my fair share starting with Ultima Online, working through DAoC, Asherons Call, WoW, Guild Wars, and a ton of other MMORPGs.

The fact that they made it into an MMO is what I wanted. They way they did it was poor.

I am pretty sure you are in the minority of people who wanted a legit ES MMO. But you should be happy u got it.Only thing good for ES fan in ESO is , it is as solo friendly as an MMO can be.


But out of all MMO I think ES is one of the best in the market right now.

I'm not saying it's a bad game and I am still happy to even have an ES MMO at all. The majority of Skyrim players though probably wanted more of a Skyrim experience like myself. The question was why do Skyrim players hate ESO, so I was listing reasons.

I still love ESO, will be playing for a long time to come. However my main issue with it was the class system. No SP game had classes, you built the way you wanted and specialized in what you wanted. Locking you into a class cuts so much from the freedom of building a character tailored to how you want to play.

Dromede

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

3: Bows used to take skill. In ESO you click it fires. No aiming, no headshots, none of the features real bow users want.

I remember how a week before launch i was on forums trying to get any beta-testers answer the question how the arrows for bows were made, and how expensive a bow-based toon would be

My first character was a stamblade wood elf, just like in Skyrim, and I didn''t really know what to expect. Loved Skyrim, now love ESO too. Play both games on and off.

RupzSkooma

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

RupzSkooma wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

I was around to see it happen. It all comes down to erroneous expectations. They expected Skyrim with multiplayer and threw a fit when they got an MMO set in the ES universe. That's really all there was to it.

That is not all there is to it. I wanted an MMO set in the TES series.... However the way in which they did it is what I have issues with. You cannot tell me an MMO version of Skyrim couldn't work. Why did they have to change, simplify and overall dumb down almost every gameplay mechanic to make it online?

Usually things are more complex in MMOs, not the other way around.

They took the skills, shredded them, gave us a few similar abilities. Gutted the melee and bow combat. There are a ton of MMOs with more to do and better gameplay. The only thing that keeps me here is the elder scrolls lore. Other than that it is a sub-par MMO and I have played more than my fair share starting with Ultima Online, working through DAoC, Asherons Call, WoW, Guild Wars, and a ton of other MMORPGs.

The fact that they made it into an MMO is what I wanted. They way they did it was poor.

I am pretty sure you are in the minority of people who wanted a legit ES MMO. But you should be happy u got it.Only thing good for ES fan in ESO is , it is as solo friendly as an MMO can be.


But out of all MMO I think ES is one of the best in the market right now.

I'm not saying it's a bad game and I am still happy to even have an ES MMO at all. The majority of Skyrim players though probably wanted more of a Skyrim experience like myself. The question was why do Skyrim players hate ESO, so I was listing reasons.

I still love ESO, will be playing for a long time to come. However my main issue with it was the class system. No SP game had classes, you built the way you wanted and specialized in what you wanted. Locking you into a class cuts so much from the freedom of building a character tailored to how you want to play.

You kinda nailed most of the reasons.
I love ESO too because of the TES lore.Immersion is a big factor for me why I love Modrim a LOT more than ESO.

I think even overall Skyrim vanilla is quite a bit better than ESO.

MW2K

I've been playing TES since Arena, and I love all of them, Skyrim included. Even Battlespire had its moments. The biggest single issue with ESO vis-a-vis with Skyrim et al, was that the milieu didn't need an MMO. In my not so humble opinion, TES worked very well without a multiplayer component, and it still does.

Awolf96x

I’ve played the series since way back. I did like Skyrim but felt like it was made to causal compared to past games where quests were more in-depth and dungeons required more adventuring and hope the next true single player game is more like morrowind and oblivion. I also love eso though for different reasons since it’s a mmo in elder scroll world it’s just not a true elder scroll style game which can turn off people who don’t like mmo games. For a while also they portrayed eso as a coop version of elder scrolls which got some people’s hopes up of adventure with friends and turned them off when it wasn’t a classic elder scrolls style game. But overall it comes down to if the older elder scroll veterans like mmos or not.

JoffyToffy69

Personally ESO is my favourite TES game (Oblivion for 2nd). There is so much more stuff! More TES lore stuff! Different places with different feels and more racial styles - from gear to furniture to buildings! Crafting and customising is amazing with the different racial styles. The mounts! Yeah you can mod Skyrim but it's not that great. Every khajiit/mount mod is just an edit of the sabre cat.
When I went back to play Skyrim after playing ESO, the gameplay is slow. As someone said, you can sit there and swing your sword but that's it. It's very plain. I love how ESO has abilities and the normal weapon combat. Also with Skyrim there was so much "pausing" during fights - be it to drink potion, weapon/magic skill swap, where as in ESO everything is much smoother and faster.
For me, most of the "arguments" against ESO compared to other TES games aren't true - especially compared to Skyrim. Maybe the mount spawn, and NPC standing in 3 dead duplicates, but that's about it.

Back to the OP,
(This is based from my experience with a friend who is from 'Skyrim is the best)'
I think there is a few reasons;

Skyrim is easy. ESO requires more skill. It's easy to be the hero and adjust settings in a single player game (who hasn't punched a dragon to death!?). But when they get their ass kicked in ESO they are no longer the hero. I think to some extent too that being surrounded by better players also diminishes the single player hero feel as now you can be compared against others which can be belittling.
Also abilities/gear that look cool or sound cool aren't that affective.
- Basically my friend would run in, expect to perform some cool abilities and for everything to just die, (regardless if he stood in their AoEs)
Same with PvP - he would Leroy Jenkins in and die and couldn't understand why he would always die and couldn't kill anyone. This in turn would lead to - "this game is ****, to much bull ****, there's no skill involved" etc etc

Rohamad_Ali

You can't Mod the hell out of ESO . Those Mods are what makes ES so freakiing cool .

newtinmpls

Well heck, who says they do (hate ESO).

LadyLethalla

Tholian1 wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

...and then I purchased the PSVR Edition of Skyrim and enjoyed the hell out of that

Me too! It is amazing to be so immersed in the game like that. Too bad there is no VR option for ESO as well.

Here's hoping there will eventually be mods for the PSVR version...

Gilvoth

i love eso, but it is it's own game.
if you think of eso as a game that is just have hints of elderscrolls theme in it then you will be MUCH happier.

Dapper Dinosaur

I have had about 7 of my friends buy ESO after I did, and I have been playing since launch on console.

One of them reached champion 250 and barely plays.
One of them is about to hit level 50 and plays even less.
One of them quit before they got to 40.
Several of them quit before level 30.
One of them quit before level 10.

I told them over and over and over again that this game was going to be nothing like Skyrim, and it was just in one ear and out the other with them.

Davor

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Because they thought this would be "Skyrim w/ Friends." And when ES6 isn't "Skyrim 2," they'll hate that as well.

At least the people knew what Skyrim was going to be. Oblivion was promised to be Morrowind 2.0 and that was not the case. So Todd and gang learned their lesson. Problem with ESO was there was not enough talk or explanation as to what ESO was going to be so much speculation happened and we had to guess what it would be like. That is where Zenimax failed.

Skyrim had really good communication. They didn't promise Oblivion 2.0 and really went out of their way to explain what Skyrim will be. Too bad Zenimax didn't take this approach that Bethesda has done. That is why I believe lots of Skyrim players didn't like ESO. I know I hated ESO on launch and took me a very long time to like it a lot. Communication goes a long way.

zaria

disintegr8 wrote: »

Long term Elder Scrolls players have said that Skyrim was a deviation from the way TES games had previously been done. It may be that those people who liked Skyrim were not really experiencing 'true' TES gameplay and 'true' TES gameplay may not be for them.

Also the MMORPG aspect could be another reason, this is my first MMO and it took me a fair while to adjust. I solo completed Cadwells silver and gold before I even embraced doing anything as part of a group.

I agree however skyim is very immersive. and the old style daggerfall to oblivion leveling system was very broken.
Yes it was too much hand holding and simplifying but still immersive.
For an mmo eso get the tes feeling very well, my main complain during beta was the jumping who is to inaccurate and stiff.
Obviously with the TG, DB and housing it has become way better.

Tasear

I don't .

I bought thinking it was Skyrim, but became much more.

WakeYourGhost

seipher09 wrote: »

Eso has better graphics

...Wut?

*Looks at all the Plants that are flat meshes that move with your camera and go in to the ground.*
...Real step forward in technology.

Casdha

Overland in ESO is a step up, characters are two steps back. I always hated the fact the characters look cartoonish and stiff. I truly get sick of seeing that death animation that looks like it was stolen from Jar Jar Binks getting knocked on his butt.

Once you get use to the fact that you can't have the physics in an MMO like you can a Single player game it is actually pretty good. The landscapes are awsome and the cities and towns even more so. I hated Skyrim when I first tried it because of the way cities looked as compared to Cyrodiil in Oblivion. Where were the Romanesque cities, I thought, all I got are these mud huts and run down shacks.

But to answer the OP question, I think it boils down to the fact that they don't give it a chance. The stories and the lore are there. Sure you have to get use to it, like any other new game but not as much as folks think.

One of the things I loved about this game right off the bat is that many of the controls whether it be the double tap dodge or the keyboard layout in general, it is taken straight from other FPS games like Quake or Unreal Tournament. That gave me hardly any learning curve on the controls. I just had to learn the rule set. Did I say that I hate point and click games? Well I do and that has kept me from a lot of games, at least this one tries to do it real time rather than being turn based.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

"Why do skyrim players dislike ESO" I used to be a skyrim player like you, then I took an ESO to the knee.
also they don't like cuz there are others that ruin their immersion and lets face it...people just like to come here and QQ 24/7

Anotherone773

Runefang wrote: »

Because this game requires more skill?

Just sniping with a Bow from sneak is the best way to play Skyrim, it's awful in ESO.

*This I got through most of skyrim with snipe. One shot, one kill.... I.WAS.A.GOD!!!!!

The_Protagonist

Runefang wrote: »

Because this game requires more skill?

Just sniping with a Bow from sneak is the best way to play Skyrim, it's awful in ESO.

And I thought I was the only one who did that