maybe with the new update, you should rename this tread to "MagDK is dead"
magdk also need rework. it have no counterplay to templars. but in general more balanced that stam dks now. colldown on power lash 3 seconds is not so hurt. much more imbalanced on pts was power lash spam.
And ye with this cooldown, magdk will need more resourses in next patch same as stam, because both in pvp and pve too tied to this skill for damage and healing.Micah_Bayer wrote: »
biggest gap is between stam dk and warden. literally worst stamina.
Stam warden puts stam dk and stam sorc to shame, for sure.
But i dont think its a good comparable to stam nb.
@Skoomah "if not the same or better" is something that warrants no complaint. The stam DK is just a class you clearly weren't meant for.
After reading your post, I have to diagnose you with alternate class disorder (ACD). It's common when players who find success on a class revert to being average if not worse at said class when other players outperform them. This condition leads to posting opinionated statements on behalf of the class in such mannor that it is not true or completely untrue (if not untruer).
Re roll a magicka class and that will be one less kid wearing heavy armor trying to be an unkillable thug in cyrii.
maybe with the new update, you should rename this tread to "MagDK is dead"
magdk also need rework. it have no counterplay to templars. but in general more balanced that stam dks now. colldown on power lash 3 seconds is not so hurt. much more imbalanced on pts was power lash spam.
And ye with this cooldown, magdk will need more resourses in next patch same as stam, because both in pvp and pve too tied to this skill for damage and healing.Micah_Bayer wrote: »
biggest gap is between stam dk and warden. literally worst stamina.
Stam warden puts stam dk and stam sorc to shame, for sure.
But i dont think its a good comparable to stam nb.
what u mean? I didn't mentioned stam nb here. I said that stam dk is worst stamina now.
I started this thread because I kept seeing Stam DKs nerfed patch after patch and no one standing up for them. I can kill any class in a duel and get 20+ KDRs all the time in cyrodiil but that doesn't discount the fact that all other classes have to put in half the work to get there. I'm only asking for competitiveness not overpowered.
For people wondering, I'm just a balance warrior, I like to fight with irony (for people missing knowledge and qqing about mechanics they don't understand). Irony always crits, put a knowledge shield if you don't wanna take additional damage
The thing most people can't understand is having Stamden being better than stamsorc and stamdk doesn't make both of them suddently weak.
They have different roles, stam sorc can espace better than warden and stam dk can tank better than warden. But not that much better. And here is the problem, if your burst is far better than a sDK or sSorc, you shouldn't be able to compete with them on their respective strengh.
Warden need nerfs for sure, but making river of tears on how dk is dead or not viable is just a joke. Dk is strong, Warden just better.
For people wondering, I'm just a balance warrior, I like to fight with irony (for people missing knowledge and qqing about mechanics they don't understand). Irony always crits, put a knowledge shield if you don't wanna take additional damage
The thing most people can't understand is having Stamden being better than stamsorc and stamdk doesn't make both of them suddently weak.
They have different roles, stam sorc can espace better than warden and stam dk can tank better than warden. But not that much better. And here is the problem, if your burst is far better than a sDK or sSorc, you shouldn't be able to compete with them on their respective strengh.
Warden need nerfs for sure, but making river of tears on how dk is dead or not viable is just a joke. Dk is strong, Warden just better.
That's why you play magsorc right?
If you actually think stamdk is in a good spot you haven't played one in pvp.
The matter that you fail to kill people with your petsorc in 1v1 implies that you lack the ability to fight on a level where you should discuss balance.
I challenge you to reroll a stamdk use it for 2 weeks in pvp and then tell us how you see it afterwards
For people wondering, I'm just a balance warrior, I like to fight with irony (for people missing knowledge and qqing about mechanics they don't understand). Irony always crits, put a knowledge shield if you don't wanna take additional damage
The thing most people can't understand is having Stamden being better than stamsorc and stamdk doesn't make both of them suddently weak.
They have different roles, stam sorc can espace better than warden and stam dk can tank better than warden. But not that much better. And here is the problem, if your burst is far better than a sDK or sSorc, you shouldn't be able to compete with them on their respective strengh.
Warden need nerfs for sure, but making river of tears on how dk is dead or not viable is just a joke. Dk is strong, Warden just better.
That's why you play magsorc right?
If you actually think stamdk is in a good spot you haven't played one in pvp.
The matter that you fail to kill people with your petsorc in 1v1 implies that you lack the ability to fight on a level where you should discuss balance.
I challenge you to reroll a stamdk use it for 2 weeks in pvp and then tell us how you see it afterwards
Here is a player that doesn' understand mechanics of this game.
He has no arguments, so he try to attack me personally, with the traditionnal : "u pet sorc u noob". He doesn't understand cyrodil is different than Bergama dueling spot where people change skills, cps, gear, and use build focused on 1v1 that aren't viable in cyrodil. So, when you bring a build to cyrodil, you need to adapt it. My pet sorc is adapted in cyrodiil and I run necro + lich + engine guardian with non dueling skill like elemental blocklade, or double destro staff without the possibility to use a defensive ultimate. If you can't understand a pvp build, by being strongly different, cannot win all hid then you need to l2p.
I'm waiting to see how well you perform in pvp with a pet sorc.
So, to stay focus on the subject of this thread, can you bring informations and tell me why you think stam dk isn't in a good spot ?
Toc de Malsvi wrote: »You guys seems to be epic bad player.
You didn't notice 1h&S is the meta ? You didn't notice Blocking is the meta ? You didn't notice Stam DK was the king of blocking ? You didn't notice DK is dancing in the meta ?
When I read "dk is not viable", "beating a dead horse" or stam dk is "weak" it just make me laughting.
Your class is VERY GOOD in PvP, it has changed, and it's not that easy than before, but it's still META.
Be happy guys, base block cost is reduced by something around 500 next patch.
Poor Aedrayl dying with a ts group to my stam dk 3+ times on his own resource and suddenly i'm a blocktard fotm stam dk who needs to l2p and is "stronger" than stam nb and msorc. Has it ever occurred to you that you might just be bad and need to l2p yourself? INB4 Disney stories about him killing me 1vx and 1v1 Lmao.
I don't know the player you are referring to, although I have seen that name here and else where on the forums, but... How is your story any better than any theoretical "Disney" stories about him? It's not like you provided a video...
For people wondering, I'm just a balance warrior, I like to fight with irony (for people missing knowledge and qqing about mechanics they don't understand). Irony always crits, put a knowledge shield if you don't wanna take additional damage
The thing most people can't understand is having Stamden being better than stamsorc and stamdk doesn't make both of them suddently weak.
They have different roles, stam sorc can espace better than warden and stam dk can tank better than warden. But not that much better. And here is the problem, if your burst is far better than a sDK or sSorc, you shouldn't be able to compete with them on their respective strengh.
Warden need nerfs for sure, but making river of tears on how dk is dead or not viable is just a joke. Dk is strong, Warden just better.
That's why you play magsorc right?
If you actually think stamdk is in a good spot you haven't played one in pvp.
The matter that you fail to kill people with your petsorc in 1v1 implies that you lack the ability to fight on a level where you should discuss balance.
I challenge you to reroll a stamdk use it for 2 weeks in pvp and then tell us how you see it afterwards
Here is a player that doesn' understand mechanics of this game.
He has no arguments, so he try to attack me personally, with the traditionnal : "u pet sorc u noob". He doesn't understand cyrodil is different than Bergama dueling spot where people change skills, cps, gear, and use build focused on 1v1 that aren't viable in cyrodil. So, when you bring a build to cyrodil, you need to adapt it. My pet sorc is adapted in cyrodiil and I run necro + lich + engine guardian with non dueling skill like elemental blocklade, or double destro staff without the possibility to use a defensive ultimate. If you can't understand a pvp build, by being strongly different, cannot win all duels then you need to l2p.
I'm waiting to see how well you perform in pvp with a pet sorc.
So, to stay focus on the subject of this thread, can you bring informations and tell me why you think stam dk isn't in a good spot ?
For people wondering, I'm just a balance warrior, I like to fight with irony (for people missing knowledge and qqing about mechanics they don't understand). Irony always crits, put a knowledge shield if you don't wanna take additional damage
The thing most people can't understand is having Stamden being better than stamsorc and stamdk doesn't make both of them suddently weak.
They have different roles, stam sorc can espace better than warden and stam dk can tank better than warden. But not that much better. And here is the problem, if your burst is far better than a sDK or sSorc, you shouldn't be able to compete with them on their respective strengh.
Warden need nerfs for sure, but making river of tears on how dk is dead or not viable is just a joke. Dk is strong, Warden just better.
That's why you play magsorc right?
If you actually think stamdk is in a good spot you haven't played one in pvp.
The matter that you fail to kill people with your petsorc in 1v1 implies that you lack the ability to fight on a level where you should discuss balance.
I challenge you to reroll a stamdk use it for 2 weeks in pvp and then tell us how you see it afterwards
Here is a player that doesn' understand mechanics of this game.
He has no arguments, so he try to attack me personally, with the traditionnal : "u pet sorc u noob". He doesn't understand cyrodil is different than Bergama dueling spot where people change skills, cps, gear, and use build focused on 1v1 that aren't viable in cyrodil. So, when you bring a build to cyrodil, you need to adapt it. My pet sorc is adapted in cyrodiil and I run necro + lich + engine guardian with non dueling skill like elemental blocklade, or double destro staff without the possibility to use a defensive ultimate. If you can't understand a pvp build, by being strongly different, cannot win all duels then you need to l2p.
I'm waiting to see how well you perform in pvp with a pet sorc.
So, to stay focus on the subject of this thread, can you bring informations and tell me why you think stam dk isn't in a good spot ?
You guys all need to l2p, really.
Victimize don't call me zerger when you kill me in game with your 1&S friends then t-bag me, insulte me for refuse to 1v1.
Stop modified what I said by telling semi-true quote out of context. Also, I never say reflective scales was an " OP AF abilities" and, I said magicka NB is a build where every damage is reflectable, and for that reason, something should be made, to provide mNB destro/resto a way to damage dk wings. When a skill counter all your damage expect ur ultimate, thats not balanced. I never say reflectives scales shoundn't be buffed or should be nerfed. L2P if you don't understand that.
Dk is strong because the meta is all about 1&S blocking, and dk are king of blocking. That's why Dk is good, and will always be in this meta.
For people with constructive post :
Durham :
In what stam sorc have a better burst than dk ? They are in the same boat.
In what stam templar have more mobilty than stam dk ? If you put a snare removal, I don't see why.
Stam dk sustain is great because it allow you to sustain WHILE blocking, with helping hand and battle roar. How stam sorc have better sustain ?
For the only 2 class stam morph are dots, sorc doesn't have choice too.
You forget to say the stam dk power : Best block mitigation, great resistance and best block sustain and a better ultimate than DBoS
You guys all need to l2p, really.
Victimize don't call me zerger when you kill me in game with your 1&S friends then t-bag me, insulte me for refuse to 1v1.
Stop modified what I said by telling semi-true quote out of context. Also, I never say reflective scales was an " OP AF abilities" and, I said magicka NB is a build where every damage is reflectable, and for that reason, something should be made, to provide mNB destro/resto a way to damage dk wings. When a skill counter all your damage expect ur ultimate, thats not balanced. I never say reflectives scales shoundn't be buffed or should be nerfed. L2P if you don't understand that.
Dk is strong because the meta is all about 1&S blocking, and dk are king of blocking. That's why Dk is good, and will always be in this meta.
For people with constructive post :
Durham :
In what stam sorc have a better burst than dk ? They are in the same boat.
In what stam templar have more mobilty than stam dk ? If you put a snare removal, I don't see why.
Stam dk sustain is great because it allow you to sustain WHILE blocking, with helping hand and battle roar. How stam sorc have better sustain ?
For the only 2 class stam morph are dots, sorc doesn't have choice too.
You forget to say the stam dk power : Best block mitigation, great resistance and best block sustain and a better ultimate than DBoS
You guys all need to l2p, really.
Victimize don't call me zerger when you kill me in game with your 1&S friends then t-bag me, insulte me for refuse to 1v1.
Stop modified what I said by telling semi-true quote out of context. Also, I never say reflective scales was an " OP AF abilities" and, I said magicka NB is a build where every damage is reflectable, and for that reason, something should be made, to provide mNB destro/resto a way to damage dk wings. When a skill counter all your damage expect ur ultimate, thats not balanced. I never say reflectives scales shoundn't be buffed or should be nerfed. L2P if you don't understand that.
Dk is strong because the meta is all about 1&S blocking, and dk are king of blocking. That's why Dk is good, and will always be in this meta.
For people with constructive post :
Durham :
In what stam sorc have a better burst than dk ? They are in the same boat.
In what stam templar have more mobilty than stam dk ? If you put a snare removal, I don't see why.
Stam dk sustain is great because it allow you to sustain WHILE blocking, with helping hand and battle roar. How stam sorc have better sustain ?
For the only 2 class stam morph are dots, sorc doesn't have choice too.
You forget to say the stam dk power : Best block mitigation, great resistance and best block sustain and a better ultimate than DBoS
Sorc straight up higher weapon damage with burst passives ..poison passive is a joke.... Stam Templar has a magicka purge that also happens to snare everything thus making you more mobile then the stam dk...
. Blocking was 2 patches ago! Most that play the class are not blockbot that can't kill someone... unless the are a complete potatoe..
My sorc has much better sustain I just need a little structure and I'm good...
No sir DBOS is stronger then leap .. my DB delves for higher damage with +20% on undead ...in group setting DB is preferred for multiple drops ... Leap just looks cooler.. Magicka leap is better because it can empowered easily + it does flame damage...
..
Stam DK the ones that actually play the class do no go much into block reduction we go for the burst .. While we do block on somethings mainly holding down block is a death sentence... I block very little actually .. A Stam Templar will blast though your stamina if you left click!
Helping hands was nerfed over 60% .. it's 950 stam on spell that cost 4k magicka lol nice trade off uh... that's 2.5 casts .. let's see what blocking costs are every .25 secs it cost what 1500?
You guys all need to l2p, really.
Victimize don't call me zerger when you kill me in game with your 1&S friends then t-bag me, insulte me for refuse to 1v1.
Stop modified what I said by telling semi-true quote out of context. Also, I never say reflective scales was an " OP AF abilities" and, I said magicka NB is a build where every damage is reflectable, and for that reason, something should be made, to provide mNB destro/resto a way to damage dk wings. When a skill counter all your damage expect ur ultimate, thats not balanced. I never say reflectives scales shoundn't be buffed or should be nerfed. L2P if you don't understand that.
Dk is strong because the meta is all about 1&S blocking, and dk are king of blocking. That's why Dk is good, and will always be in this meta.
For people with constructive post :
Durham :
In what stam sorc have a better burst than dk ? They are in the same boat.
In what stam templar have more mobilty than stam dk ? If you put a snare removal, I don't see why.
Stam dk sustain is great because it allow you to sustain WHILE blocking, with helping hand and battle roar. How stam sorc have better sustain ?
For the only 2 class stam morph are dots, sorc doesn't have choice too.
You forget to say the stam dk power : Best block mitigation, great resistance and best block sustain and a better ultimate than DBoS
Sorc straight up higher weapon damage with burst passives ..poison passive is a joke.... Stam Templar has a magicka purge that also happens to snare everything thus making you more mobile then the stam dk...
. Blocking was 2 patches ago! Most that play the class are not blockbot that can't kill someone... unless the are a complete potatoe..
My sorc has much better sustain I just need a little structure and I'm good...
No sir DBOS is stronger then leap .. my DB delves for higher damage with +20% on undead ...in group setting DB is preferred for multiple drops ... Leap just looks cooler.. Magicka leap is better because it can empowered easily + it does flame damage...
..
Stam DK the ones that actually play the class do no go much into block reduction we go for the burst .. While we do block on somethings mainly holding down block is a death sentence... I block very little actually .. A Stam Templar will blast though your stamina if you left click!
Helping hands was nerfed over 60% .. it's 950 stam on spell that cost 4k magicka lol nice trade off uh... that's 2.5 casts .. let's see what blocking costs are every .25 secs it cost what 1500?
DBoS is not stronger than leap. But the difference is marginal and comes nowhere near being able to make up for the weaknesses in every other aspect of the kit
Ragnarock41 wrote: »You guys all need to l2p, really.
Victimize don't call me zerger when you kill me in game with your 1&S friends then t-bag me, insulte me for refuse to 1v1.
Stop modified what I said by telling semi-true quote out of context. Also, I never say reflective scales was an " OP AF abilities" and, I said magicka NB is a build where every damage is reflectable, and for that reason, something should be made, to provide mNB destro/resto a way to damage dk wings. When a skill counter all your damage expect ur ultimate, thats not balanced. I never say reflectives scales shoundn't be buffed or should be nerfed. L2P if you don't understand that.
Dk is strong because the meta is all about 1&S blocking, and dk are king of blocking. That's why Dk is good, and will always be in this meta.
For people with constructive post :
Durham :
In what stam sorc have a better burst than dk ? They are in the same boat.
In what stam templar have more mobilty than stam dk ? If you put a snare removal, I don't see why.
Stam dk sustain is great because it allow you to sustain WHILE blocking, with helping hand and battle roar. How stam sorc have better sustain ?
For the only 2 class stam morph are dots, sorc doesn't have choice too.
You forget to say the stam dk power : Best block mitigation, great resistance and best block sustain and a better ultimate than DBoS
Sorc straight up higher weapon damage with burst passives ..poison passive is a joke.... Stam Templar has a magicka purge that also happens to snare everything thus making you more mobile then the stam dk...
. Blocking was 2 patches ago! Most that play the class are not blockbot that can't kill someone... unless the are a complete potatoe..
My sorc has much better sustain I just need a little structure and I'm good...
No sir DBOS is stronger then leap .. my DB delves for higher damage with +20% on undead ...in group setting DB is preferred for multiple drops ... Leap just looks cooler.. Magicka leap is better because it can empowered easily + it does flame damage...
..
Stam DK the ones that actually play the class do no go much into block reduction we go for the burst .. While we do block on somethings mainly holding down block is a death sentence... I block very little actually .. A Stam Templar will blast though your stamina if you left click!
Helping hands was nerfed over 60% .. it's 950 stam on spell that cost 4k magicka lol nice trade off uh... that's 2.5 casts .. let's see what blocking costs are every .25 secs it cost what 1500?
DBoS is not stronger than leap. But the difference is marginal and comes nowhere near being able to make up for the weaknesses in every other aspect of the kit
DBoS and leap has very little difference, but DBoS giving you %3 more weapon damage for slotting it, and it can be used on stairs or hills, makes it a winner over leap.
And if leap is not something special anymore, there isn't really much point in playing a sDk.
Ferocious leap for mDk tho, now that is a valueable ult because its much scarier than a meteor.
And one of the many reasons why mDk is the real dk now.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »You guys all need to l2p, really.
Victimize don't call me zerger when you kill me in game with your 1&S friends then t-bag me, insulte me for refuse to 1v1.
Stop modified what I said by telling semi-true quote out of context. Also, I never say reflective scales was an " OP AF abilities" and, I said magicka NB is a build where every damage is reflectable, and for that reason, something should be made, to provide mNB destro/resto a way to damage dk wings. When a skill counter all your damage expect ur ultimate, thats not balanced. I never say reflectives scales shoundn't be buffed or should be nerfed. L2P if you don't understand that.
Dk is strong because the meta is all about 1&S blocking, and dk are king of blocking. That's why Dk is good, and will always be in this meta.
For people with constructive post :
Durham :
In what stam sorc have a better burst than dk ? They are in the same boat.
In what stam templar have more mobilty than stam dk ? If you put a snare removal, I don't see why.
Stam dk sustain is great because it allow you to sustain WHILE blocking, with helping hand and battle roar. How stam sorc have better sustain ?
For the only 2 class stam morph are dots, sorc doesn't have choice too.
You forget to say the stam dk power : Best block mitigation, great resistance and best block sustain and a better ultimate than DBoS
Sorc straight up higher weapon damage with burst passives ..poison passive is a joke.... Stam Templar has a magicka purge that also happens to snare everything thus making you more mobile then the stam dk...
. Blocking was 2 patches ago! Most that play the class are not blockbot that can't kill someone... unless the are a complete potatoe..
My sorc has much better sustain I just need a little structure and I'm good...
No sir DBOS is stronger then leap .. my DB delves for higher damage with +20% on undead ...in group setting DB is preferred for multiple drops ... Leap just looks cooler.. Magicka leap is better because it can empowered easily + it does flame damage...
..
Stam DK the ones that actually play the class do no go much into block reduction we go for the burst .. While we do block on somethings mainly holding down block is a death sentence... I block very little actually .. A Stam Templar will blast though your stamina if you left click!
Helping hands was nerfed over 60% .. it's 950 stam on spell that cost 4k magicka lol nice trade off uh... that's 2.5 casts .. let's see what blocking costs are every .25 secs it cost what 1500?
DBoS is not stronger than leap. But the difference is marginal and comes nowhere near being able to make up for the weaknesses in every other aspect of the kit
DBoS and leap has very little difference, but DBoS giving you %3 more weapon damage for slotting it, and it can be used on stairs or hills, makes it a winner over leap.
And if leap is not something special anymore, there isn't really much point in playing a sDk.
Ferocious leap for mDk tho, now that is a valueable ult because its much scarier than a meteor.
And one of the many reasons why mDk is the real dk now.
DBoS bugs out just as much as leap does, in the same places and for the same reason.
Leap’s advantage is in the significantly larger area of effect, and if it hits your target can’t block again until they land. It also hits a bit harder which, in my significant amount of experience comparing the two and using both, makes it better
But only a little better.