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Should there be a daily/weekly/monthly cap on the amount of threads you can create?

  • duendology
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap

    We are a new an innovative MMO, with things like an AH feature with no useful search function!

    Why shouldn’t we be a new and Innovative forum, that cares about random crap!

    Innovative? With forum daily/weekly thread cap? That's innovation to you?
    Or did I misunderstand something here?

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  • vamp_emily
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    I don't think they should cap but it would be nice to have a better ignore feature on the forum. There is a few members that I would love to just "disappear" and never see anything I type.


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  • Illurian
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    duendology wrote: »
    This is rich.
    I've been on online (various) forums since, I can't even remember, 97? I modded (and owned) quite a number of them. And there has NEVER been a suggestion to limit the daily/weekly thread cap because, apparently, some poster name appears often and apparently it annoys other people?
    If you don't like someone's posts, or rather the fact it's posted by a specific person, ignore both. This is THAT simple.
    Limiting daily/weekly cap should also come with the limit of daily/weekly replies perhaps too? So we'd have less sarcastic b******t and verbal diarrhea.
    So I'm pretty neutral on the subject, and was genuinely curious to see how most people felt, but I'm going to actually address your post.

    The point isn't about liking/disliking a specific person or their threads. It's about the implications of one person (or a handful of people) posting the same inane topics over and over that have either been hashed, rehashed and beaten into oblivion, or simply do not contribute anything useful or beneficial to the community. (Sure, what is considered useful or beneficial may be subjective, but for all intents and purposes of this discussion, let's just roll with what the majority of the community considers useful/beneficial.) These inane threads take up room on the front page of the forums (otherwise known as clutter), which push other threads (that may or may not be more beneficial/interesting/important discussions) down to the next pages, otherwise known as the abyss.

    A limit on replies would make perfect sense.

    I like how you're implying that a cap on threads/replies would implicate the average forum goer when even an arbitrary number hasn't been set. An ideal system would be where the average forum poster wouldn't even notice that there was a cap, while people who spam more than 10 threads a day would.

    The other people who have voted for no cap have made some solid points, however, and make interesting reads.

    duendology wrote: »
    Hmm, it is also the first EVER forum in my experience with online communication platforms... where people seem to care so much about something which is nothing else but an ESO version of the Facebook "likes". This is new to me.

    Thumbs up/down, +1/-1 etc have been a part of almost every forum I've been on. I find it hard to believe that you've "owned and modded" as many forums as you say you have and never come across a system like this.
    Edited by Illurian on January 26, 2018 6:55AM
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  • kylewwefan
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    They removed me posts. Well, I give ya another insightful anyways. How many more do you need?
  • Illurian
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    They removed me posts. Well, I give ya another insightful anyways. How many more do you need?

    A limit on responses for one, would help with inane posts with zero substance like this one.
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  • ANGEL_BtVS
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Beardimus wrote: »
    Remove forum points for posting new threads. Done

    Wait, posting threads gives forum points?

    Wait! Really?! Man, I've got all kinds of great and relevant topics suddenly coming to mind... :p
  • Turelus
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    Niobium wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Niobium wrote: »
    We, the consumer of the threads, can decide on what is relevant and what isn't. The posts that warrant or cultivate a discussion will rise and those that are just troll posts will fade. No need for limits, absolutes are the enemy of free and open dialog. There are many contributors on this forum that post, good, useful, informative posts several times a day, week, month, they, nor anyone else, should have their ability to post limited.

    The problem at the moment is that the loudest ones with the most stamina to keep posting inane topics will continue to push useful threads off the front (and subsequent) pages.

    What would be useful would be some way to (I hesitate to say downvote) but a way to hide topics from people who contribute virtually nothing.

    Whether that be on a personal (ie only affects my forum pages) or on a global (ie affects everyone's forum pages) level I'm not sure. But I absolutely would love to see more of the useful, informative posts than useless ones or re-hashes of "controversial" topics that have been beaten to death a thousand times over.

    That way the consumer is deciding what's relevant and what's not rather than individuals flooding the forums and, for lack of any kind of measure against it, always having their own posts at the top because of the sheer number of them.
    The forums does have an ignore feature however I am not 100% sure how it works as I've never used it.
    There is a help article here: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/23039/~/how-do-i-ignore-someone-on-the-forums

    Also I realise with that revelation hundreds of people have just stopped seeing my forums debating and trash posts. :cry:

    That feature only blocks that person from messaging you - it doesn't help remove the clutter of useless posts by people doing nothing but farming points. The posts will still be there by the authors pushing more useful posts to second page and beyond.

    Already enough clutter on the forums - a way to clean up for the individuals to see what they want (or hide what they don't want) would be awesome.
    Thanks. I thought they had said long ago it was a way of not seeing posts from users you didn't want to see posts from.
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  • Turelus
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Beardimus wrote: »
    Remove forum points for posting new threads. Done

    Wait, posting threads gives forum points?

    Wait! Really?! Man, I've got all kinds of great and relevant topics suddenly coming to mind... :p
    @ANGEL_BtVS you don't get points for posts unless they unlock a post no. badge.
    Full forums guide can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349256/unofficial-forum-faq/p1
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  • ANGEL_BtVS
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    Turelus wrote: »
    ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Beardimus wrote: »
    Remove forum points for posting new threads. Done

    Wait, posting threads gives forum points?

    Wait! Really?! Man, I've got all kinds of great and relevant topics suddenly coming to mind... :p
    @ANGEL_BtVS you don't get points for posts unless they unlock a post no. badge.
    Full forums guide can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349256/unofficial-forum-faq/p1

    Thanks, threw you an insightful. But of course I was just being funny in my previous post. I've never paid attention to how points are earned. :)
  • Apache_Kid
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    Turelus wrote: »
    ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Beardimus wrote: »
    Remove forum points for posting new threads. Done

    Wait, posting threads gives forum points?

    Wait! Really?! Man, I've got all kinds of great and relevant topics suddenly coming to mind... :p
    @ANGEL_BtVS you don't get points for posts unless they unlock a post no. badge.
    Full forums guide can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349256/unofficial-forum-faq/p1

    If a comment gets removed by a mod that had insightfuls or awesomes on it do I get go keep those or do I lose them?
  • Anotherone773
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    Look at it this way. The community, and it just doesnt apply to ESO community but the entire gaming community, frowns and ridicules someone for resurrecting an old thread. They also complain if the subject of that thread is resurrected( Take global trade system as an example). So what this leads to is if you come to the game after the discussion about these topics, you are shunned and shouldnt have an opinion on them. That is pretty much the logic of it.

    For example my recent post in threads concerning an Auction house or similar function are the first time i ever posted on the subject in this game in my life. Should i get to voice my opinion as much as the vet that has been here for 4 years got too?I mean chances are he/she doesnt even play anymore.

    I feel like threads about vanity things like " Can we have this emoji, dance, costume, tattoo, etc?" to be redundant and pointless because i see vanity items as pointless. Many people do not. So i respect their view and right to want those things and to want discuss them and ask for them. I just dont engage in discussions about them because im biased against them.

    I think it should be left up to the moderators judgement on who is abusing the forum and not some predetermined limit that says everyone is only allowed so many post even though this person post good threads and this one post troll/farm threads.
  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »
    Apache_Kid wrote: »
    Beardimus wrote: »
    Remove forum points for posting new threads. Done

    Wait, posting threads gives forum points?

    Wait! Really?! Man, I've got all kinds of great and relevant topics suddenly coming to mind... :p
    @ANGEL_BtVS you don't get points for posts unless they unlock a post no. badge.
    Full forums guide can be found here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349256/unofficial-forum-faq/p1

    If a comment gets removed by a mod that had insightfuls or awesomes on it do I get go keep those or do I lose them?

    You keep them... not that I keep a tally with a spreadsheet or anything to track mine...
  • Agobi
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    "creating 10+ threads a day."

    Someone actually does that?? :o o.O

    Get a hobby I say :D
  • JamuThatsWho
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    Yes, but only for DoctorESO :^)
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  • KrishakPanettier
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    OMG, this isn't even necessary as a topic on the forum: Introducing caps to a forum. Like others above said, only importance is engaging topics, intelligent discussions, new conversations.

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    Who cares?
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  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    Sure.
  • Foxhunt
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    Personally I don't think we need to be further limited. Even if I would never reach the post limit, I think adding such a limit would be an over reaction especially if in response to just 1 person (or a couple people). I say just don't click the thread/interact in the thread if you don't like it. But that's just like, my opinion, man.

    I can't believe how many people actually support this... It's that much of a problem for you people? Wow. Y'all obviously have nothing better to complain about. More censorship is not the answer because you don't like someone. Basically, I disagree with all y'alls arguments as for why we need a limit.

    I refer you to duendology's responses on page 4, who explains it better than I.
    Edited by Foxhunt on January 26, 2018 5:55PM
  • OutLaw_Nynx
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    Foxhunt wrote: »
    Personally I don't think we need to be further limited. Even if I would never reach the post limit, I think adding such a limit would be an over reaction especially if in response to just 1 person. I say just don't click the thread/interact in the thread if you don't like it. But that's just like, my opinion, man.

    They push threads off the front page. I can't block them because they show up on the page. It isn't just one person, I can list about four people right now.
  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    Turelus wrote: »
    Niobium wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Niobium wrote: »
    We, the consumer of the threads, can decide on what is relevant and what isn't. The posts that warrant or cultivate a discussion will rise and those that are just troll posts will fade. No need for limits, absolutes are the enemy of free and open dialog. There are many contributors on this forum that post, good, useful, informative posts several times a day, week, month, they, nor anyone else, should have their ability to post limited.

    The problem at the moment is that the loudest ones with the most stamina to keep posting inane topics will continue to push useful threads off the front (and subsequent) pages.

    What would be useful would be some way to (I hesitate to say downvote) but a way to hide topics from people who contribute virtually nothing.

    Whether that be on a personal (ie only affects my forum pages) or on a global (ie affects everyone's forum pages) level I'm not sure. But I absolutely would love to see more of the useful, informative posts than useless ones or re-hashes of "controversial" topics that have been beaten to death a thousand times over.

    That way the consumer is deciding what's relevant and what's not rather than individuals flooding the forums and, for lack of any kind of measure against it, always having their own posts at the top because of the sheer number of them.
    The forums does have an ignore feature however I am not 100% sure how it works as I've never used it.
    There is a help article here: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/23039/~/how-do-i-ignore-someone-on-the-forums

    Also I realise with that revelation hundreds of people have just stopped seeing my forums debating and trash posts. :cry:

    That feature only blocks that person from messaging you - it doesn't help remove the clutter of useless posts by people doing nothing but farming points. The posts will still be there by the authors pushing more useful posts to second page and beyond.

    Already enough clutter on the forums - a way to clean up for the individuals to see what they want (or hide what they don't want) would be awesome.
    Thanks. I thought they had said long ago it was a way of not seeing posts from users you didn't want to see posts from.

    You cant see their individual posts and it prevents them from messaging you. But if they create a topic, you will still see their topic and the OP of their topic.
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  • runagate
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    I was wondering how long it was going to take the community to react to this.

    Of course, I personally think the forum moderators should have stepped in long ago to stop this idiocy.
  • Taylor_MB
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    I think it's better to just report those who take advantage of their posting privileges. There are some folk who post rather often whose content is worthwhile.

    My post calling that person out got reported and deleted.

    So.... good luck.

    Edit: Not on this thread, on one of their many others.

    Edited by Taylor_MB on January 26, 2018 2:14AM
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  • klowdy1
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    If you're talking about a certain Dr that creates 10 useless threads a day that fill the front page, then yes. Other than that, I don't see anyone being a bad offender.
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    IIRC I've been on forums where there were limits placed on your ability to post if you had recently received a disciplinary action, and one of those limits was the removal of the ability to start threads. Sort of a light version of banning. Something like that I think would be okay.
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  • DoctorESO
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    I am not aware of anyone, at least yet, who creates 10 threads a day or who spams the forums. Also, the current "likes/points" system in place now only rewards meaningful posts. Simply creating a thread or comment does nothing. And all of that assumes people actually care about stars, points, or what have you. At least in my mind, the number of stars a poster has means nothing, and I haven't seen anyone on these forums, at least yet, who thinks otherwise.

    If people are interested in a particular topic, they will post in the thread, and that thread will remain in the front-most pages of a category. Conversely, if people are not interested in a particular topic, they will not post, and that thread will fall to the back-most pages of a category. This is the capitalism/supply-demand equivalent of the people as a whole determining how valuable or important a particular topic is. This game caters to all segments of people with varying interests. What one person thinks is important is not necessarily reflective of the community as a whole. This is true in our larger world, as well.

    Now, I will say that some topics, particularly those involving builds and nerfs, generate emotionally-charged responses from some people. That is not the fault of the topics. Healthy debate is a necessity in a society, and it is a life skill that everyone should learn, lest they relegate themselves to an unnecessarily difficult life. If you find yourself getting out of control, take a step back. The fact that someone expressed an opinion shouldn't get you any angrier than you would if the same person remained silent despite still having the opinion. In the end, everything is going to be all right. :-)
  • ccfeeling
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    No, there shouldn't be a cap
    What's wrong with them?
  • Valykc
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    Yes, there should be a limit and then they can sell extra daily thread slots in the crown store!


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    Edited by Valykc on January 26, 2018 2:41AM
  • Niobium
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    Foxhunt wrote: »
    Personally I don't think we need to be further limited. Even if I would never reach the post limit, I think adding such a limit would be an over reaction especially if in response to just 1 person. I say just don't click the thread/interact in the thread if you don't like it. But that's just like, my opinion, man.

    They push threads off the front page. I can't block them because they show up on the page. It isn't just one person, I can list about four people right now.

    Which is the crux of it. When inane topics take up front page. A way to downvote or hide topics written by people notorious for doing just that would be ideal. Additionally any other kind of filter that stops posts saying "Global Auction House" or "Loot Crates" from displaying on my end would also be fantastic.

    If it's all user side then those who want to see all the re-hashed BS people post to farm points then they are more than welcome to do so and the rest can enjoy the forums in a less clusterfunked manner. Just like email spam filters.
  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    Taylor_MB wrote: »
    I think it's better to just report those who take advantage of their posting privileges. There are some folk who post rather often whose content is worthwhile.

    My post calling that person out got reported and deleted.

    So.... good luck.

    Edit: Not on this thread, on one of their many others.

    Happened to me too... :(
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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    Yes, there should be a daily/weekly/monthly cap
    85 Threads.... 29 days......
    yea.... right... This so Totally normal.....
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