Wreuntzylla wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

So you know what the build is for endless block and dodge with 1300 regen? I would use it in a heartbeat, you seem to know how it's done, please post the build!

Nah, cus I don’t loosely throw around terms like endless. My heavy stamblade can sustain thru some absurd situations with 1500 base regen, but I wouldn’t describe it as being endless sustain by any means. I just know my limits and how to get the most out of my build, just as most people who get accused of cheating do. My point was, just cus someone can sustain in low regen is not eveidence of anything except that someone has good resource management.

I run into you now and then. I would never accuse you of cheating...

Yeah you would xD

You are a completely different story. I don't know that I have run into you, but you continuously argue cheating is impossible and macroing doesn't work in ESO. Only one type of person argues like that...

Well, two types, but you seem passably intelligent.

I've never once argued anything you speak of, the fact that you think that shows how much you pay attention.

My arguments are always consistent.

1.) Don't make false accusations without evidence.

2.) Macros serve to give no advantage in a game like ESO, where you cannot predict the flow of a fight. Just because you have a macro set to cast three shields, does not mean at any one given time you want to be doing that. You could be hit with a dawnbreaker, cc'd and need to react. If you believe macroing exists that's fine but once again unless you have evidence don't make false accusations about players using them, just because you die to them.

2 a.) Also you should actually understand what a macro does before talking about them, as many people in ESO seem to believe you can perform magic with them.

3.) If cheating still exists in the form of CE post CE weekend, you should provide clear evidence before falsely accusing people of doing it.

If the above means that I somehow believe cheating is impossible, that's simply your rage blinding you over your inability to prove what you want to believe. And yes i have ran into you several times.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.

Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.

I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.

I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.

You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface

You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.

Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?

You don't.

The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...

How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?

You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.

That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?

Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?

That's preposterous.

Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.

I guess you haven't been following the forums much of late.

But, sure you can just chalk it all up as envy, l2p or the usual litany of claims.

That or perhaps a "well known" streamer recently crashed to desktop revealing CE running.

Now if you believe the boatload (think ferry sized) of people that saw it, that begs the question of "if CE don't work, why would it have been running"?

In truth, I have no idea what worked or works in CE. I can merely guess that not everything was pushed server side. The most glaring issues I've seen at play is people that dodge stuff passively at ridiculous clips and regen (ie the plethora of zero regen builds that block and roll dodge constantly, but never run out of resources).

My guess is you will resort to defaming and insulting. Of course I've been with friends and seen your magblade ride by and dodge 6-8 attacks in a row without even bothering to dismount, so you're position is pretty known.

I was watching him the other night trying to suicide at a resource. The kid had the weirdest health regen going on while he wasn't casting or mo

Alfie2072 wrote: »

cheat engine literally gets detected after a few minutes or so of having it active

Not true. There was a work around a week after the scandal. Renaming some files. There countermeasures were pathetic. Even more pathetic that it took them years to do what they did

Dredlord wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Lol the sheer amount of players that Warden and VAC catches and then bans is staggering.

But somehow in delusion land where ESO has nearly done nothing to thwart exploitation, there isn't any cheating.

VAC doesn't just detect a cheat and issue bans left and right, you can go months cheating without being banned. There are stupid ways of circumventing this system on steam, such as sharing the game to a misc family accounts and cheating on the family account.

In other words when you play a multiplayer steam game with VAC like Dark Souls 3, 9/10 of your pvp matches will be against cheaters, because they get away with it for so long before a ban wave comes. And you can even get banned by VAC for someone cheating against you, because the VAC system is stupid and can be easily fooled.

What ZOS did is 10 times better. But in delusion land you take your friends word for it, when they say they swear they saw a streamer cheating, and no one has evidence.

You sure know alot about cheating and cheats and especially how to cheat in other games with more robust anti cheat measures.

Or maybe he just knows how to google something and do a basic, rudimentary amount of research before slandering people.

Bingo! You may actually be smarter than your posts would indicate. Now assuming you're right, he was somehow able during his rudimentary search to find information about hacking in other games yet unable to find anything on ESO hacks...

Having done my own rudimentary search on eso hacks, I know there is plenty of hack sites that service a portion of the ESO playerbase.

Does it not seem odd that he argues "no hax" so vehemently but only regarding the game he is currently playing. Otherwise he is an expert on hacks for the purpose of debate.

I also did a search. Couldn’t find anything post 2015... PM me a link.

The most suspicious thing to me is the BS never happens in duels. Not even at peak hours in Wayrest where I can easily detect server lag and frame rate lag in everything I do yet my fights and recaps always make sense. Yet rolling in Cyro at 4am night capping with no population bars even filled some craziness goes down.

Like some have said ZOS needs to get serious about it or the trust will never be there. Specifically consumables need banned from pvp like every other serious pvp game as I know macros + pots are a big source of the false accusations. Pots and poisons are practically cheats or at the very least pay to win. Kinda ridiculous how many more options there are for pots and poisons over enchants.

Another question for someone more knowledgeable about CE or macros would be if you can get break-free to cast automatically when hit with a CC? As I run into that a lot is people who don't even act like they ate the CC but now they are on CC immunity. They keep moving, no buggy sliding with awkward animations either. Like legit keep running in perfect stride. Seems like that might be something still manipulable client side.

NuarBlack wrote: »

Another question for someone more knowledgeable about CE or macros would be if you can get break-free to cast automatically when hit with a CC? As I run into that a lot is people who don't even act like they ate the CC but now they are on CC immunity. They keep moving, no buggy sliding with awkward animations either. Like legit keep running in perfect stride. Seems like that might be something still manipulable client side.

This should be trivial, no need for CE. The game client gets the information about whether you are CC-ed and this is available to addons. You can program an addon that displays a red point somewhere on the screen when you are CC-ed. The you can have a program running alongside ESO that reads your screen at that spot and sends the CC-break key everytime it becomes red.

NuarBlack wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

This should be trivial, no need for CE. The game client gets the information about whether you are CC-ed and this is available to addons. You can program an addon that displays a red point somewhere on the screen when you are CC-ed. The you can have a program running alongside ESO that reads your screen at that spot and sends the CC-break key everytime it becomes red.

Okay I figured it shouldn't be too hard. As I know that was very easy to do even 8 years ago in games like WoW and Rift. Which makes me think people who say macros don't give you much of an advantage in pvp must not understand macros. As they were basically essential for pvp in WoW and Rift. And they have a lot more flexibility that they are ignorant of. Such as conditional scripting that only initiates something when a condition is met. I imagine a macro that could be applied to your spamable could run through a list of conditionals every time you push it and actually only casts your spamable if there isn't some other action needed to be taken scripted to be a higher priority such as break-free, block, dodge, proc, pot, etc.. So combined with Miat's you could literally almost auto pilot your character effectively.

Usually when people say “he is cheating and using macros!” It’s followed up with “he hit me with four skills in one second!” Which as we all know is impossible, even when using cheat engine.

A macro to break CC could be used, but it’s so easy to just bind your break free button to MMB and hit it when you hear the CC alert sign.

Macros for entire skill rotations would be wasted in PvP due to the variance in counterplay. Macros in PvE would make more sense but I’m not a PvE guy so I don’t know for sure.

But there are some macros that are beneficial in PvP. I use a macro that has reprogrammed my skills so that the activity is activated on the press of the button, rather than the default which is on the release of the button. That macro and others like it are 100% legal. Its not a big advantage usually, but when I’m playing for a while and my fingers get tired it gives me more room for error if I’m slow to lift a finger off a button due to fatigue.

Also I thought all macros were against the TOS. I get the keypress change doesn't even really count as a macro and I have no problem with that. So I get that you won't get busted for them either, but technically they are illegal. ZOS just doesn't back it up with some pattern recognition software that would detect it.

Thogard wrote: »

But a macro that does a dodge roll after each break free would be responding to player input, so that would be legal. Stupid to run, and easy to do on your own if you wanted to, but legal.

Edit: in other words, If the event is initiated by the player, it’s player input and legal. If the event is initiated by a response to an in-game trigger from the API, that’s botting and illegal. So an automatic CC break macro would be illegal. And technically that would be a “script” not a macro.

Not exactly.

What is illegal in ZOS words are not macros, but automation. Pushing one button, resulting in two actions (that would normally require pushing two buttons) - that's automation, and thus illegal.

IIRC, this came up about a year ago in a debate about crafting multiple potions with one keypress. The answer from ZOS was no, this is not legal. One button push must correspond to one action performed.

NuarBlack wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

And technically that would be a “script” not a macro.

Any macro that doesn't script isn't a useful macro. It would just be an alternative key binding. It isn't anything special outside of macro hardware or software either to run scripting. At least every macro system I have used allowed such scripting. In wow and rift you could run those basic scripts using their proprietary macro system simply opening it with */macro* So it technically still falls all under macroing. Now I haven't got into macroing in ESO as it is far less complicated than the games I mentioned plus I didn't realize how dumb ZOS was with what info they provide add-ons and client side. In their defense Blizzard and Trion provide some of the same info to add-ons and client but the nature of combat in ESO makes it problematic. As block and Dodge are not on CD and Break-free is fundamentally different than the trinket systems in those games. So macroing in the right hands could be very very game breaking. Just cause you haven't found a way to exploit it significantly doesn't mean it is not possible.

That’s a script though. Would be against TOS if it reacts to the API

Thogard wrote: »

That’s a script though. Would be against TOS if it reacts to the API

But if ZOS doesn't do anything to detect it and take a significant action against it, it might as well not be. Not to mention if it is also pulling the info from something like Miats or a screen reader instead of directly from the API.

Plus a prioritization script like I know exists wouldn't necessarily need to react automatically to the API. It just allows you simply to perform the best action for the situation by mashing the same button over and over. And trust me I don't care how good you are such a macro script will out perform a human 9/10 times. It is simple heuristics and game theory easily scripted to give the scriptor the advantage.

And if simply reacting to the API is illegal then most Add-ons would be illegal. Obviously it is the nature of that reaction. Apparently visual and sound que reactions ok, automation not ok. Although they don't do anything about it either way. Although recent patch notes seem to acknowledge they know they are giving too much info to add-ons. But even if it kills Miat's there are ways around it if they don't run pattern recognition software to determine if behavior is within human bounds.