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Rampant cheating in PvP, what is being done about it ZOS?
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rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.
I guess you haven't been following the forums much of late.
But, sure you can just chalk it all up as envy, l2p or the usual litany of claims.
That or perhaps a "well known" streamer recently crashed to desktop revealing CE running.
Now if you believe the boatload (think ferry sized) of people that saw it, that begs the question of "if CE don't work, why would it have been running"?
In truth, I have no idea what worked or works in CE. I can merely guess that not everything was pushed server side. The most glaring issues I've seen at play is people that dodge stuff passively at ridiculous clips and regen (ie the plethora of zero regen builds that block and roll dodge constantly, but never run out of resources).
My guess is you will resort to defaming and insulting. Of course I've been with friends and seen your magblade ride by and dodge 6-8 attacks in a row without even bothering to dismount, so you're position is pretty known.5 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.
I guess you haven't been following the forums much of late.
But, sure you can just chalk it all up as envy, l2p or the usual litany of claims.
That or perhaps a "well known" streamer recently crashed to desktop revealing CE running.
Now if you believe the boatload (think ferry sized) of people that saw it, that begs the question of "if CE don't work, why would it have been running"?
In truth, I have no idea what worked or works in CE. I can merely guess that not everything was pushed server side. The most glaring issues I've seen at play is people that dodge stuff passively at ridiculous clips and regen (ie the plethora of zero regen builds that block and roll dodge constantly, but never run out of resources).
My guess is you will resort to defaming and insulting. Of course I've been with friends and seen your magblade ride by and dodge 6-8 attacks in a row without even bothering to dismount, so you're position is pretty known.
Considering how easy it is to clip content on twitch, you'd think someone would have clipped that incident, turned it into a video. Or maybe you're referring to a pretty obvious joke video that was uploaded to YouTube. I suppose the point I'm trying to make here is if you want to speculate about cheating, that's fine. But you take it to the next level with accusations in every thread, but no new videos ever surface.
And you're the last person to talk about defaming and insulting.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.
I guess you haven't been following the forums much of late.
But, sure you can just chalk it all up as envy, l2p or the usual litany of claims.
That or perhaps a "well known" streamer recently crashed to desktop revealing CE running.
Now if you believe the boatload (think ferry sized) of people that saw it, that begs the question of "if CE don't work, why would it have been running"?
In truth, I have no idea what worked or works in CE. I can merely guess that not everything was pushed server side. The most glaring issues I've seen at play is people that dodge stuff passively at ridiculous clips and regen (ie the plethora of zero regen builds that block and roll dodge constantly, but never run out of resources).
My guess is you will resort to defaming and insulting. Of course I've been with friends and seen your magblade ride by and dodge 6-8 attacks in a row without even bothering to dismount, so you're position is pretty known.
Considering how easy it is to clip content on twitch, you'd think someone would have clipped that incident, turned it into a video. Or maybe you're referring to a pretty obvious joke video that was uploaded to YouTube. I suppose the point I'm trying to make here is if you want to speculate about cheating, that's fine. But you take it to the next level with accusations in every thread, but no new videos ever surface.
And you're the last person to talk about defaming and insulting.
The "obvious joke" was after the fact attempt to stifle the discussion.
Thing about it all is you know all about CE and who uses it and still come here claiming it doesn't work.3 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.
I guess you haven't been following the forums much of late.
But, sure you can just chalk it all up as envy, l2p or the usual litany of claims.
That or perhaps a "well known" streamer recently crashed to desktop revealing CE running.
Now if you believe the boatload (think ferry sized) of people that saw it, that begs the question of "if CE don't work, why would it have been running"?
In truth, I have no idea what worked or works in CE. I can merely guess that not everything was pushed server side. The most glaring issues I've seen at play is people that dodge stuff passively at ridiculous clips and regen (ie the plethora of zero regen builds that block and roll dodge constantly, but never run out of resources).
My guess is you will resort to defaming and insulting. Of course I've been with friends and seen your magblade ride by and dodge 6-8 attacks in a row without even bothering to dismount, so you're position is pretty known.
Considering how easy it is to clip content on twitch, you'd think someone would have clipped that incident, turned it into a video. Or maybe you're referring to a pretty obvious joke video that was uploaded to YouTube. I suppose the point I'm trying to make here is if you want to speculate about cheating, that's fine. But you take it to the next level with accusations in every thread, but no new videos ever surface.
And you're the last person to talk about defaming and insulting.
The "obvious joke" was after the fact attempt to stifle the discussion.
Thing about it all is you know all about CE and who uses it and still come here claiming it doesn't work.
The discussion wouldn't be stifled if the incident actually happened, and people like you who apparently watch these streamers so closely made any attempt to clip it. You're telling me no one in that stream (not even you) had the common sense to clip and record what happened? I see clips online all the time of people catching streamers do various things.
Where is the clip of this user crashing to desktop with CE running for ESO in the background? I tried searching for it but cannot find anything or any mention of it.
Come on dude.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
They switched everything to the server side because of that. That switch is also why everything has been so god damn laggy since then. Cheaters are the cause of the high pings and server lag, since ZOS had to stop letting clients store data due to cheaters. But regardless, only one thing is now stored client-side...
While i hope you are right - unless you work at ZOS, you have no more idea what they did (or whether they did anything) than me, or anyone else. The fact its "laggy" may or may not be related to this supposed change - that's no proof.
Not really you could look at the application and see what information is being kept and sent to the server. Thus determining the absence of data like ultimate regen wpn dmg etc, then must be kept server side since the client isn’t actively calculating it or sending it in packets to the server. Idk just saying it’s “impossible to know” is actually not an impossibility.0 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Do you have this CE crash to desktop as a saved clip. It seems you need evidence for these claims. Are these also dated evidence pieces to show they run CE post ZoS moving things server side?
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭With the more than one attack per second posters: was it a delayed burst?
Ex: curse, fury, light attack into force pulse (which is broken into three components based on element type) means 6 attacks hit you in a second (assuming you hit execute),
Shalks, bird, uppercut all hit simultaneously and executioner happens within a second of that.
Heavy attack and incap animation canceled from stealth followed by a killer's blade happens in about 1.5 seconds.
If you mean you suddenly eat 6 surprise attacks, then maybe something is up. I say maybe cause lag can do that too.0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Do you have this CE crash to desktop as a saved clip. It seems you need evidence for these claims. Are these also dated evidence pieces to show they run CE post ZoS moving things server side?
Eyewitnesses are evidence. Even in a court of law...
I didn't see it, but I heard from enough people that did.
Some of them have posted on the forums regarding it. Most have had there posts removed unless they were intentionally vague enough.
Then again, I'm pretty sure you are someone in the know about it anyways and just "doing damage control".
Me... I'm just the guy that's been trying to save the game from the ill natured exploiters. How many of us have watched friend after friend get sick of it and quit? Quite a lot, of course in some circles it's not quite an issue as they are knee deep in it and you can usually tell because what they are knee deep in spews from their fingers to a keyboard to whispers or forum posts.
All I want is VAC or something like it. That doesn't hurt anyone honest, furthermore it ends a lot of accusations that could be wrong from festering.3 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Do you have this CE crash to desktop as a saved clip. It seems you need evidence for these claims. Are these also dated evidence pieces to show they run CE post ZoS moving things server side?
Eyewitnesses are evidence. Even in a court of law...
I didn't see it, but I heard from enough people that did.
Some of them have posted on the forums regarding it. Most have had there posts removed unless they were intentionally vague enough.
Then again, I'm pretty sure you are someone in the know about it anyways and just "doing damage control".
Me... I'm just the guy that's been trying to save the game from the ill natured exploiters. How many of us have watched friend after friend get sick of it and quit? Quite a lot, of course in some circles it's not quite an issue as they are knee deep in it and you can usually tell because what they are knee deep in spews from their fingers to a keyboard to whispers or forum posts.
All I want is VAC or something like it. That doesn't hurt anyone honest, furthermore it ends a lot of accusations that could be wrong from festering.
Then you have nothing more to add to this discussion, you are just making false accusations.
And trust me when I say you don't want VAC. VAC is beyond useless for multiplayer games, what ZOS has done for ESO is far better. If you believe in VAC than I challenge you to play Dark Souls 3 PvP for a month, then you can come back here and say VAC is worth it.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol the sheer amount of players that Warden and VAC catches and then bans is staggering.
But somehow in delusion land where ESO has nearly done nothing to thwart exploitation, there isn't any cheating.4 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol I don't know about widespread cheating.
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My issues are users that are either using macros, or that ones that can simply lag you out. To the point it seems they are using marcos like The Flash!1 -
Malamar1229✭✭✭✭✭
✭How can anyone hate streamers?!?!?
Edited by Malamar1229 on December 27, 2017 8:26PM1 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭Malamar1229 wrote: »How can anyone hate streamers?!?!?
People don't hate the honest streamers. People only hate the *** streamers who are nothing without cheating.1 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Lol the sheer amount of players that Warden and VAC catches and then bans is staggering.
But somehow in delusion land where ESO has nearly done nothing to thwart exploitation, there isn't any cheating.
VAC doesn't just detect a cheat and issue bans left and right, you can go months cheating without being banned. There are stupid ways of circumventing this system on steam, such as sharing the game to a misc family accounts and cheating on the family account.
In other words when you play a multiplayer steam game with VAC like Dark Souls 3, 9/10 of your pvp matches will be against cheaters, because they get away with it for so long before a ban wave comes. And you can even get banned by VAC for someone cheating against you, because the VAC system is stupid and can be easily fooled.
What ZOS did is 10 times better. But in delusion land you take your friends word for it, when they say they swear they saw a streamer cheating, and no one has evidence.
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Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I’m still waiting for one of the people who thinks CE still works in ESO to take one for the team, install it, and make a video using it.
Or even just post a video showing someone using it.
Even a video like “hey I saw a guy do this, how is this possible?” That wouldn’t get deleted.
But nothing has been posted, and you hack accusers keep asking us for evidence to disprove something for which there is no evidence that it exists in the first place. That is a fundamental logical fallacy.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/thogardpvp2 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I’m still waiting for one of the people who thinks CE still works in ESO to take one for the team, install it, and make a video using it.
Or even just post a video showing someone using it.
Even a video like “hey I saw a guy do this, how is this possible?” That wouldn’t get deleted.
But nothing has been posted, and you hack accusers keep asking us for evidence to disprove something for which there is no evidence that it exists in the first place. That is a fundamental logical fallacy.
The evidence is 1299 regen builds that block and dodge everything and never run out of resources.
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ShadowProc✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.
No. I am 213 others saw it. IF IT DOESN'T WORK WHY HAVE IT RUNNING?
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✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »
The evidence is 1299 regen builds that block and dodge everything and never run out of resources.
There is much more to sustain than simply the regen value, methods that any good player is aware of and fully able to harness. When you factor in heavy armor, CP optimization, heavy attacks, class resource skills (leeching strikes, merciless resolve, bull netch, dark deal, repentance, igneous shield, etc.), situational awarenes, and proper resource management you can see that there’s much more to sustain than a value on a stat sheet.
Just because you cannot comprehend how someone can sustain with low regen doesn’t make it anywhere close to being evidence of cheating.1 -
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✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »
The evidence is 1299 regen builds that block and dodge everything and never run out of resources.
There is much more to sustain than simply the regen value, methods that any good player is aware of and fully able to harness. When you factor in heavy armor, CP optimization, heavy attacks, class resource skills (leeching strikes, merciless resolve, bull netch, dark deal, repentance, igneous shield, etc.), situational awarenes, and proper resource management you can see that there’s much more to sustain than a value on a stat sheet.
Just because you cannot comprehend how someone can sustain with low regen doesn’t make it anywhere close to being evidence of cheating.
So you know what the build is for endless block and dodge with 1300 regen? I would use it in a heartbeat, you seem to know how it's done, please post the build!1 -
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✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »
So you know what the build is for endless block and dodge with 1300 regen? I would use it in a heartbeat, you seem to know how it's done, please post the build!
Nah, cus I don’t loosely throw around terms like endless. My heavy stamblade can sustain thru some absurd situations with 1500 base regen, but I wouldn’t describe it as being endless sustain by any means. I just know my limits and how to get the most out of my build, just as most people who get accused of cheating do. My point was, just cus someone can sustain in low regen is not eveidence of anything except that someone has good resource management.0 -
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I see a common thread between the people who cry about cheating and make accusations every single day in game and on the forums. They are almost always extremely mediocre and sub par players who operate under the assumption that they are much better or more knowledgeable about the game than they actually are. So when their true caliber is exposed, they suffer from some serious cognitive dissonance which can be soothed by branding people as cheaters. “I’m not bad, they are breaking the rules!” The path of least resistance.
Here’s a honest suggestion to all the people who make baseless accusations and think that every other person is a cheater: humble yourselves and accept that maybe you have a lot of learning and development left to do. You will be better off for it in the long run.3 -
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✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »
So you know what the build is for endless block and dodge with 1300 regen? I would use it in a heartbeat, you seem to know how it's done, please post the build!
Nah, cus I don’t loosely throw around terms like endless. My heavy stamblade can sustain thru some absurd situations with 1500 base regen, but I wouldn’t describe it as being endless sustain by any means. I just know my limits and how to get the most out of my build, just as most people who get accused of cheating do. My point was, just cus someone can sustain in low regen is not eveidence of anything except that someone has good resource management.
I run into you now and then. I would never accuse you of cheating...0 -
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✭✭ShadowProc wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Are you just making stuff up about streamers again, we all know how much you hate streamers.
No. I am 213 others saw it. IF IT DOESN'T WORK WHY HAVE IT RUNNING?
So you and 213 others saw it, but not one of you thought "Hey I should clip this, record it and upload it somewhere it can never be hidden"?
If it actually happened someone would have been smart enough to clip it. It either didn't happen, or the streamer felt like trolling his stream over something he gets falsely accused of literally every day.
Either way I don't believe a single word you say, you guys are in every thread trying to make up some absurd accusation. And I know for a fact at least two anonymous players in this thread are absurdly easy to beat. It's easy for me to believe that when you come up against this streamer, that he mops the floor.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
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✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »
So you know what the build is for endless block and dodge with 1300 regen? I would use it in a heartbeat, you seem to know how it's done, please post the build!
Nah, cus I don’t loosely throw around terms like endless. My heavy stamblade can sustain thru some absurd situations with 1500 base regen, but I wouldn’t describe it as being endless sustain by any means. I just know my limits and how to get the most out of my build, just as most people who get accused of cheating do. My point was, just cus someone can sustain in low regen is not eveidence of anything except that someone has good resource management.
I run into you now and then. I would never accuse you of cheating...
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✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »I run into you now and then. I would never accuse you of cheating...
Idk who you are, but good for you. Others do however, all the time. And they are always terrible players.
An example:
https://twitch.tv/videos/209605614?t=08h38m19s
Its not the best showing on my part, but it demonstrates the kind of player who cries about cheating and their mindset better than any screenshot. These ppl feel entitled to a kill cus they outnumber their opponent, get frustrated when they aren't handed a kill, and then go straight to accusations and implications of cheating.Edited by CyrusArya on December 28, 2017 12:47AM1 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »People that spend a lot of time worrying about cheats and exploits and cheaters use it as the excuse as to why they are not better at the game or use it as a crutch to not get better.
Right. That does not mean cheats don't exist tho.
I used to think cheating in ESO isn't possible right up to the point when i saw that famous meteor shower video. That told me ZOS is keeping critical data on the client, which enables cheating.
I have seen no evidence since then that this is no longer the case.
You still seeing people floating around dropping endless meteors? I haven't seen that since the big CE weekend, if it still worked people would still do it. The evidence that it doesn't exist comes in the form of not seeing it resurface
You realize the only reason why the meteors were caught on the video in the firstplace was the fact the guy dropping them wanted the cheating exposed for everyone to see? It has been going on long before that, and nobody noticed.
Saying that "it cannot possibly be still happening because i do not see it" is sticking your head in the sand. How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't.
The only real proof that CE cheating is no longer possible would be an official statement saying so. It shouldn't be too hard, assuming what was posted above is true(Rich Lambert personally telling people everything is serverside now). Yet - no official statement has been made, despite the existence of an official thread discussing the very topic...How do you spot someone who gave himself perfectly legit top weapon damage, perfectly legit top mitigation and perfectly legit top regen - just in an impossible combination of all three at the same time?
You don't because this was never possible. You should start your journey as the other player here mentioned, by reading up about CE on the public forums to understand what was and wasn't possible. Players resorted to floating around dropping meteors, because it was the only thing you could do to insta-kill players.
That begs the question of "if CE doesn't work, why did a well known streamer recently crash to desktop with CE running in the background"?
Everyone that claims to have seen it is lying?
That's preposterous.
Do you have this CE crash to desktop as a saved clip. It seems you need evidence for these claims. Are these also dated evidence pieces to show they run CE post ZoS moving things server side?
Eyewitnesses are evidence. Even in a court of law...
I didn't see it, but I heard from enough people that did.
Some of them have posted on the forums regarding it. Most have had there posts removed unless they were intentionally vague enough.
Then again, I'm pretty sure you are someone in the know about it anyways and just "doing damage control".
Me... I'm just the guy that's been trying to save the game from the ill natured exploiters. How many of us have watched friend after friend get sick of it and quit? Quite a lot, of course in some circles it's not quite an issue as they are knee deep in it and you can usually tell because what they are knee deep in spews from their fingers to a keyboard to whispers or forum posts.
All I want is VAC or something like it. That doesn't hurt anyone honest, furthermore it ends a lot of accusations that could be wrong from festering.
Here that sound? That's the sound of your credibility crashing to earth.
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Here’s the thing.
I see a common thread between the people who cry about cheating and make accusations every single day in game and on the forums. They are almost always extremely mediocre and sub par players who operate under the assumption that they are much better or more knowledgeable about the game than they actually are. So when their true caliber is exposed, they suffer from some serious cognitive dissonance which can be soothed by branding people as cheaters. “I’m not bad, they are breaking the rules!” The path of least resistance.
Here’s a honest suggestion to all the people who make baseless accusations and think that every other person is a cheater: humble yourselves and accept that maybe you have a lot of learning and development left to do. You will be better off for it in the long run.
So because there are bad players in the game it means there isn't any cheating going on. I never understood that relationship before.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I’m still waiting for one of the people who thinks CE still works in ESO to take one for the team, install it, and make a video using it.
Or even just post a video showing someone using it.
Even a video like “hey I saw a guy do this, how is this possible?” That wouldn’t get deleted.
But nothing has been posted, and you hack accusers keep asking us for evidence to disprove something for which there is no evidence that it exists in the first place. That is a fundamental logical fallacy.
The evidence is 1299 regen builds that block and dodge everything and never run out of resources.
You know that regen doesn’t even tic when you’re blocking or sprinting, right? So passive regen clearly has nothing to do with the mechanics behind permablock builds.
It’s uneducated comments like these that let us know you clearly have no idea how to tell who would be cheating and who isn’t.
Please learn to play before slandering people.
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So because there are bad players in the game it means there isn't any cheating going on. I never understood that relationship before.
No. It’s a matter of credibility. If a player is clearly unskilled or uneducated on mechanics, why would they ever be an authority on what is or isn’t legitimately possible in the game?
I hate cheating and I hate cheaters. They erode the quality of the game and sow discord in the community. But equally, I hate ignorant witch hunts and baseless vandetta driven accusations. That’s why my position has always been to leave it to the authorities, as they are the only ones with the means to detect and verify cheating.2 -
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✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »
So you know what the build is for endless block and dodge with 1300 regen? I would use it in a heartbeat, you seem to know how it's done, please post the build!
Nah, cus I don’t loosely throw around terms like endless. My heavy stamblade can sustain thru some absurd situations with 1500 base regen, but I wouldn’t describe it as being endless sustain by any means. I just know my limits and how to get the most out of my build, just as most people who get accused of cheating do. My point was, just cus someone can sustain in low regen is not eveidence of anything except that someone has good resource management.
I run into you now and then. I would never accuse you of cheating...
Yeah you would xD
You are a completely different story. I don't know that I have run into you, but you continuously argue cheating is impossible and macroing doesn't work in ESO. Only one type of person argues like that...
Well, two types, but you seem passably intelligent.2