code65536 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

PVE is rediculous easy .

@Rohamad_Ali Until you've tanked all the vet trial hardmodes, you have no qualification to make such a pronouncement.

They wouldn't need a hard mode if I said was untrue . Hard mode is just a time sink on the same material . Do you believe hard mode will be impossible under these changes ? I'm willing to bet you see a TC Hodor first thread any day now .

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

PVE is rediculous easy .

@Rohamad_Ali Until you've tanked all the vet trial hardmodes, you have no qualification to make such a pronouncement.

They wouldn't need a hard mode if I said was untrue . Hard mode is just a time sink on the same material . Do you believe hard mode will be impossible under these changes ? I'm willing to bet you see a TC Hodor first thread any day now .

I doubt that, as Hodor and obviously also Chimaera stopped raiding progression-oriented as far as I know

My current Plague Doctor(or Ebon)/Torag's Pact build is extremely resource friendly. I can tank the axes without support from a healer.

What I can see happening is stacking less in health (hitting maybe 32K) and dropping Plague Doctor/Ebon for a stamina heavy set like Hulking Draugr. Running Jewelry and weapons to keep 7 heavy on the body. And running potion cooldown enchantments to hit tri-pots more often.

@ZOS_Wrobel

Changes are ok i guess, had no probs till now, will see how they play out.

But, if u only want to keep warden & DK as capable Tanks, tell us pls and give me a racechangetoken ^^

Honestly you should reconsider the ways and values how classes get ressources back when specced as tank.
Give more supportskills to non meta tanks, that are only usefull/useable in tank role.

thx

Those who think that the nerf was for PVP tanks are really ignorant. No tank who knows what he is doing will run block cost enchants in PVP. Sure you can block all attacks but will die like a b***h.

This change was a targeted nerf on PVE tanks who are the primary users of block cost enchants. I have tanked all PVE content barring vAS. I can tell you permablocking is the most boring but most efficient strat available for new and semi-skilled tanks in this game. ZOS is forcing PVE tanks to heavy attack.

Every top tier tank already does this and now ZOS wants that to be the norm. Essentially making tanking a more skill intensive role rather than a brain dead "hold one button and pop synergies" role. It is no where near perfect but it is a great start and needs more fine tuning.

Again this change is a buff to PVP tanks and a nerf to PVE tanks. Stop blaming PVP for every nerf that ZOS decides to do. I'm sure most of the gripe here is from tanks who are lazy and refuse to adapt to an evolving game.

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

So Rustic please enlighten me. I’m obviously a vet trials tank noob... where exactly do I fit in my heavy attack when taking axes?

When you S&B ult as any non DK tank would tell you.

rustic_potato wrote: »

Those who think that the nerf was for PVP tanks are really ignorant. No tank who knows what he is doing will run block cost enchants in PVP. Sure you can block all attacks but will die like a b***h.

This change was a targeted nerf on PVE tanks who are the primary users of block cost enchants. I have tanked all PVE content barring vAS. I can tell you permablocking is the most boring but most efficient strat available for new and semi-skilled tanks in this game. ZOS is forcing PVE tanks to heavy attack.

Every top tier tank already does this and now ZOS wants that to be the norm. Essentially making tanking a more skill intensive role rather than a brain dead "hold one button and pop synergies" role. It is no where near perfect but it is a great start and needs more fine tuning.

Again this change is a buff to PVP tanks and a nerf to PVE tanks. Stop blaming PVP for every nerf that ZOS decides to do. I'm sure most of the gripe here is from tanks who are lazy and refuse to adapt to an evolving game.

Then the insane ressource return should be looked at for various classes as a tank ^^

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

So Rustic please enlighten me. I’m obviously a vet trials tank noob... where exactly do I fit in my heavy attack when taking axes?

Heavy attacking with 3 active axes is no problem, anything above should make you question what your dd's are doing.

usmcjdking wrote: »

GreatGildersleeve wrote: »

So Rustic please enlighten me. I’m obviously a vet trials tank noob... where exactly do I fit in my heavy attack when taking axes?

When you S&B ult as any non DK tank would tell you.

@GreatGildersleeve This and unless you are having 5+ axes you can do it if you watch out for the Axe Heavy Attack timing. The regular Axe attacks hit like noodles on a tank. The heavy attack is the one which stuns you and does a lot of damage.

If you have the skill to do it solo go for it. If you don't, split the axes between 2 tanks.

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Calling it now. The new meta will be no block builds. Or minimal block builds. God mode self heals, uber high health. God like resistances.

Plays straight to wardens. They are built for this. They can get away with a lot. DK too but I think warden with very fast heal ult regen can prob outlast it.


Also there goes smart playing. Smart blocking. Just don't bother except for the really big hits.

New tank meta rotation:

heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack

rustic_potato wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Calling it now. The new meta will be no block builds. Or minimal block builds. God mode self heals, uber high health. God like resistances.

Plays straight to wardens. They are built for this. They can get away with a lot. DK too but I think warden with very fast heal ult regen can prob outlast it.


Also there goes smart playing. Smart blocking. Just don't bother except for the really big hits.

New tank meta rotation:

heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack

Lol I see 2 problems with this. You will get rekt by one shots and also I dont think you will build a leap that quickly. Apart from that why not?

Nah, just leap before the big hits you'll be fine.

Bowser wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

Bowser wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Calling it now. The new meta will be no block builds. Or minimal block builds. God mode self heals, uber high health. God like resistances.

Plays straight to wardens. They are built for this. They can get away with a lot. DK too but I think warden with very fast heal ult regen can prob outlast it.


Also there goes smart playing. Smart blocking. Just don't bother except for the really big hits.

New tank meta rotation:

heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack dragon leap heavy attack bone shield heavy attack igneous shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack bone shield heavy attack

Lol I see 2 problems with this. You will get rekt by one shots and also I dont think you will build a leap that quickly. Apart from that why not?

Nah, just leap before the big hits you'll be fine.

Nice! I would expect nothing less from the tank who executed HM rakkhat before it was cool.