Buoyant Armiger drop rates

jakeedmundson · December 2017

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Taleof2Cities · December 2017

Sure, the drop rate is an issue ... but was another thread on the topic really needed?

The forums search feature is your friend.

elantaura · December 2017

Not as many as you but have had 6 master chest with zero in the last 5 days. I even put the saviour of morrowind title on my character. On the off chance putting the title on the character not just the achiemant wassome secret part of it.

In four months solid farming of tombs, backpacks, nightstands etc ( which I'm more into) never had a purple furniture recipe from morrowind either had a few recipes just not ones from morrowind.
The drop rate is abismal so much so I have not bought the morrowind house as what's the point? Not like I can decorate it.

jakeedmundson · December 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sure, the drop rate is an issue ... but was another thread on the topic really needed?

The forums search feature is your friend.

Yes, because me reading an old thread gets ZOS attention.

All they need to do is make a statement like...
"working as intended" or "we are working on fixing this..."
Shouldn't be tough to change a drop rate if there is some issue with it.

I just want to know if it is SUPPOSED to be this way.

Runs · December 2017

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sure, the drop rate is an issue ... but was another thread on the topic really needed?

The forums search feature is your friend.

Yes, because me reading an old thread gets ZOS attention.

All they need to do is make a statement like...
"working as intended" or "we are working on fixing this..."
Shouldn't be tough to change a drop rate if there is some issue with it.

I just want to know if it is SUPPOSED to be this way.

One of those old threads is like 2 days old and you posted in it an hour ago.

jakeedmundson · December 2017

Runs wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sure, the drop rate is an issue ... but was another thread on the topic really needed?

The forums search feature is your friend.

Yes, because me reading an old thread gets ZOS attention.

All they need to do is make a statement like...
"working as intended" or "we are working on fixing this..."
Shouldn't be tough to change a drop rate if there is some issue with it.

I just want to know if it is SUPPOSED to be this way.

One of those old threads is like 2 days old and you posted in it an hour ago.

Correct. In the "crafting" thread that most people never look in... That i found using the "search" tool...
Morrowind is what... 9 months old now? Many people have never seen a motif drop yet. I'd say its an issue that needs more attention.

redspecter23 · December 2017

Whenever ZOS claims increased drop rates without actually saying what the drop rate numbers are, I call BS. There is no way for us to prove on our end if this increase actually happened without a sample size of about 10,000 chests or more. It's entirely possible they just told us the drop rate increased and it stayed the same or maybe they added an extra decimal place and it's only 1/10th of what it should be or maybe they put in an accidental "-" and reduced the rate. In any case, it's virtually impossible to test the change so it might as well have not happened at all.

Runs · December 2017

I don't know if they are still farming the motif but, if they are, the person to ask if the drop rate has improved would be @Cpt_Teemo

Cpt_Teemo · December 2017

Yeah I don't farm them as much but i haven't really noticed a major change with the TH Perk from when I last farmed them after they "updated" it

TarrNokk · December 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sure, the drop rate is an issue ... but was another thread on the topic really needed?

The forums search feature is your friend.

YES IT WAS NEEDED WHEN HE POST IT, WAS YOURS NEEDED?

Yo_Donno · December 2017

I personally like the drop rate. It keeps the price for them high that way dedicated farmers like me who spend tons of their playtime doing chests can sell them for a lot. Don't want to crash the market with drastically increased supply.

makreth · December 2017

Yo_Donno wrote: »

I personally like the drop rate. It keeps the price for them high that way dedicated farmers like me who spend tons of their playtime doing chests can sell them for a lot. Don't want to crash the market with drastically increased supply.

and...have something in this game not really handed to us...I agree. I personally only found one so far.

jakeedmundson · December 2017

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makreth wrote: »

Yo_Donno wrote: »

I personally like the drop rate. It keeps the price for them high that way dedicated farmers like me who spend tons of their playtime doing chests can sell them for a lot. Don't want to crash the market with drastically increased supply.

and...have something in this game not really handed to us...I agree. I personally only found one so far.

Big difference between a "hand out" and getting nothing at all after putting in hours and hours of time.

Even if it was a 20% chance to drop from a master chest... i would potentially only have 2-4 pages after 300+ chests i opened.

code65536 · December 2017

Yo_Donno wrote: »

I personally like the drop rate. It keeps the price for them high that way dedicated farmers like me who spend tons of their playtime doing chests can sell them for a lot. Don't want to crash the market with drastically increased supply.

Pretty sure that balancing around that kind of gameplay is unhealthy for the game as a whole.

Lyserus · December 2017

found shield motif in a nHOF chest, never see another again

Nocturnal_Annoyance · December 2017

Found around 10 in treasure map chests, never found one in a wild chest.

krachall · December 2017

I’ve been looting 40 or so chests a day for a month and have yet to see a motif.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2017

Praise the the divines I got the motif book in my free crates as I've never saw a single one either in any sort of chest.

Cpt_Teemo · December 2017

Nocturnal_Annoyance wrote: »

Found around 10 in treasure map chests, never found one in a wild chest.

Ever since Morrowind dropped I probably looted around 400 pages, but that was when I was farming them like mad every day but recently since like a month or 2 I been slacking on farming it anymore, got to time consuming as well

Wreuntzylla · December 2017

redspecter23 wrote: »

Whenever ZOS claims increased drop rates without actually saying what the drop rate numbers are, I call BS. There is no way for us to prove on our end if this increase actually happened without a sample size of about 10,000 chests or more. It's entirely possible they just told us the drop rate increased and it stayed the same or maybe they added an extra decimal place and it's only 1/10th of what it should be or maybe they put in an accidental "-" and reduced the rate. In any case, it's virtually impossible to test the change so it might as well have not happened at all.

Probably. If it had gone from, say, 0.00001 to 0.00002, they would have said "...and we doubled the drop rate on motif X, just like you asked!"

They have done similar things in the past and come onto the forums to explain that a small percentage of a small number is still a small number.

Cêltic421 · December 2017

Yes drop rate of these motifs needs to be addressed. Shouldn't be this difficult. I have opened thousands of chests since released and only gotten 2 motifs. Never gotten one out of a master chest. One from Advanced and one from a simple. Yes a simple chest. Countless of hours wasted. I have given up on getting this completed, its just not fun. Its more frustrating than anything else. Not sure why its so hard to get one of these motifs its not like crafting is in high demand. Maybe its a way for ZoS to get more money out of its player base by putting the complete motif book in the crown store, many people have said they wanted it in the crown store so they could buy it already.

Cpt_Teemo · December 2017

They have the worst droprate of all motifs, but they do exist even before the Cash shop handed them out

Carbonised · December 2017

The BA motif, as well as the purple furnishing recipes, and especially purple Telvanni recipes, are locked behind an unreasonably small random chance.

It is hard to see this as anything else than yet another ZOS cash grab, to push people into the store to buy the extremely overpriced furniture (600-800 crowns per item? Really?!?), as well as to buy the BA motif from either crates, or store itself, once it eventually gets there.

I'm all for rare content, but enough is enough. As others have said here, spending days doing nothing but opening literally hundreds and hundreds of chests on Vvardenfell still leaves you with just a slim chance for a motif page. And looting every urn, backpack and lockbox in sight will most likely only give you some trash blue Argonian recipe or a green Vvardenfell if you're lucky.

Morrowind is old content, we've had 2 more DLCs since then, another Chapter and even more DLCs will come out in just a few months, and what then? We can just forget about even getting any of the super rare Morrowind content, when people move on to farm new areas? Is this what we payed premium prices for, for the Morrowind Chapter? Shame on you, ZOS.

- BA motif needs to be upped in droprate chance. Not a large amount, but something a bit more generous than the punishing amount it is right now.
- Purple Morrowind furnishing recipes need to be upped in droprate as well.
- DLC areas need to have loottables cleaned up drastically. It makes no sense to find a large amount of Argonian or Bosmer recipes in the Morrowind zone, or Nord hay cart recipes in the CWC. DLC zones should mostly drop DLC recipes.
- DLC furnishing recipes need to drop from more sources, not only thieving/legerdemain. Make them have a very small drop chance from killing mobs, or at least bosses. Or from daily quest reward chests. Or from zone chests. Make it possible to farm for these recipes other than thieving/killing.

TheDarkShadow · December 2017

Last couple weeks my old VGA was dying and crashed very often so I cannot do anything but farming chests and stealing. And tbh, the drop rate was not as bad as I thought. Average, I get 1 page every 2 days. I didn't count the number of chests though, but I guess around 100/day. But grant you, it's really boring, just like fishing.

jakeedmundson · December 2017

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

They have the worst droprate of all motifs, but they do exist even before the Cash shop handed them out

does the crown store still do this? Then i understand the horrible drop rates.... greed.

Integral1900 · December 2017

I hunted this motif like mad when I first saw it, I had so many ideas, then I had a look on the crown crate preview screen...

Oh dear... :'(

On little skinny charecters like dark elves it looks great, on a hulking great nord it looks like a body suit where someone attached bits of armour almost at random, the scaling is totally to pot, the shoulders are big enough to land a jumbo jet on and the colour on the ruby weapons is hideous. Sticking to the others for crafted until the appearance change system lets me use a lower level skin for the swords, not in any hurry for the rest

On the plus size, ebony crafted looks AMAZING on a female nord, especially with the light armour redguard boots

jakeedmundson · December 2017

Update:

Another day (not full day... maybe 100 chests) of farming the chests and even included half a dozen treasure maps.
Still no motif.

I thought maybe the treasure maps would give me a little more edge... but it didn't work out that way. Granted, i only had a few of the maps but still... netted nothing.

Malmai · December 2017

If your farming item for a week and you still dont get it, than its logical they lie about drops...

Kusandru · January 2018

I've been getting them for a while. But my drop rate seems to be farming for hours every day and then only getting 1, once every 2-3 weeks. Doesn't matter what side of the map you're on either.

To be honest tho, since i'm farming them for profit, I'm glad the drop rate is so low - keeps the value high. Still, when they first came out they were worth over 200K each and have dropped to about 150K since Morrowind release and we're into January 2018 now. Compared to how fast the Telvani and Hlaalu motifs dropped, I don't mind the drop rate being so low for the buoyant armiger motifs. Besides, I farm nodes as i'm running from chest to chest, still getting items from chests worth money and then there's the deconning to produce more mats and for me, it's a win/win even if it's so long between picking up one of these motifs.

My question would be, is there a loot table limit for how often one can pick up one of these motifs? I know there is like a 50 minute wait time between when you can get a Hlaalu/Telvanni motif to having a chance of getting another of either of those. So far, for me at least, it's looking like there is possibly a 2 week limit as to how often you can get the Armiger motifs. Anyone else who can chime in and share how often you've been getting them, if you've been farming them w/ purpose?

jakeedmundson · January 2018

Kusandru wrote: »

I've been getting them for a while. But my drop rate seems to be farming for hours every day and then only getting 1, once every 2-3 weeks. Doesn't matter what side of the map you're on either.

To be honest tho, since i'm farming them for profit, I'm glad the drop rate is so low - keeps the value high. Still, when they first came out they were worth over 200K each and have dropped to about 150K since Morrowind release and we're into January 2018 now. Compared to how fast the Telvani and Hlaalu motifs dropped, I don't mind the drop rate being so low for the buoyant armiger motifs. Besides, I farm nodes as i'm running from chest to chest, still getting items from chests worth money and then there's the deconning to produce more mats and for me, it's a win/win even if it's so long between picking up one of these motifs.

My question would be, is there a loot table limit for how often one can pick up one of these motifs? I know there is like a 50 minute wait time between when you can get a Hlaalu/Telvanni motif to having a chance of getting another of either of those. So far, for me at least, it's looking like there is possibly a 2 week limit as to how often you can get the Armiger motifs. Anyone else who can chime in and share how often you've been getting them, if you've been farming them w/ purpose?

I gave up farming for this motif... after literally 100s or maybe 1000s of chests... who knows.
I found 1 from a random intermediate chest... and 1 from a treasure map (out of the 20-30 i've opened)

1000000% not worth the time investment of it... its super frustrating to put in that much time for no gain.

Horowonnoe · January 2018

I found one ba motif at randome somehwere. Didnt even realize where and when i got it.