Buoyant Armiger drop rates

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I've only managed to find three of the BA motifs. All were in simple chests and I did not have the Treasure Hunter passive.

Unfadingsilence

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Jaraal

I'm at over 1,000 chests, including many treasure maps and masters. Still 0-fer. And I am Clanfriend, Champion of Vivec, etc, and Treasure Hunter passive. Yet I see people selling pages daily, and even getting multiples per day.

Would be nice to know the secret!

ixie

I've found 2 recently in intermediate chests, I've had other lucky drops as well recently, I feel like the RNG has the date as part of the calculation

Carbonised

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Most obvious lie I've seen here on the forums. 2-3 hours of extreme grinding may grant you 1 motif page. Times 13 pages, times all the times you find a duplicate. Even if sat at your computer for 24 hours straight not even taking a leak at the bathroom, you wouldn't find every page for the motif.

I got the full motif and about 6-7 spare pages, and it took me about 4 weeks of focused and very time consuming grinding.

So nice try mate, now pull the other one.

Jaraal

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Jolter

Carbonised wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Most obvious lie I've seen here on the forums. 2-3 hours of extreme grinding may grant you 1 motif page. Times 13 pages, times all the times you find a duplicate. Even if sat at your computer for 24 hours straight not even taking a leak at the bathroom, you wouldn't find every page for the motif.

I got the full motif and about 6-7 spare pages, and it took me about 4 weeks of focused and very time consuming grinding.

So nice try mate, now pull the other one.

Well he could have been extremely lucky and got the full book to drop.

Gargath

As a subscriber I should be given a guaranteed BA drop from each master chest, that would be fair. Sadly ZOS doesn't see it that way.
Also was playing a lot in Vvardenfell, opened many chests and not a single motif found.

yttoks

Kusandru wrote: »

I've been getting them for a while. But my drop rate seems to be farming for hours every day and then only getting 1, once every 2-3 weeks. Doesn't matter what side of the map you're on either.

To be honest tho, since i'm farming them for profit, I'm glad the drop rate is so low - keeps the value high. Still, when they first came out they were worth over 200K each and have dropped to about 150K since Morrowind release and we're into January 2018 now. /quote]

I was running for these in the beginning because I wanted to complete the style. Then I ran for them to make some gold. Then I realized my error and I don't run for them at all anymore

30-45 minutes a day of crafting writs and just playing is getting me 400ish k a week. Farming buoyant for $ just doesn't make sense for me. Drop rates are just too low.

I'd need two a week at the highest price they ever traded just to make what I make on writs, and 3 or 4 at current pricing. No way I'm doing that. YMMV

Unfadingsilence

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Carbonised wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Most obvious lie I've seen here on the forums. 2-3 hours of extreme grinding may grant you 1 motif page. Times 13 pages, times all the times you find a duplicate. Even if sat at your computer for 24 hours straight not even taking a leak at the bathroom, you wouldn't find every page for the motif.

I got the full motif and about 6-7 spare pages, and it took me about 4 weeks of focused and very time consuming grinding.

So nice try mate, now pull the other one.

Nope I had 3 other people in my guild farming for them and we hooked each other up GG kid

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

i used to farm for 1 month daily 15 hours and yet I still miss 9 pages... I got so tired and bored as hell since is the only motif im missing...sry but this is utter garbage in terms of drop ratings...

jakeedmundson

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Carbonised wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Most obvious lie I've seen here on the forums. 2-3 hours of extreme grinding may grant you 1 motif page. Times 13 pages, times all the times you find a duplicate. Even if sat at your computer for 24 hours straight not even taking a leak at the bathroom, you wouldn't find every page for the motif.

I got the full motif and about 6-7 spare pages, and it took me about 4 weeks of focused and very time consuming grinding.

So nice try mate, now pull the other one.

Nope I had 3 other people in my guild farming for them and we hooked each other up GG kid

You really need to put "GG kid" in an RNG thread? Like there is some form of skill level that would allow any of us to get more motifs?
I don't believe that either... you could have had 20 people farming for it (even though there are a limited number of chests on the map and that wouldn't help you) and you STILL wouldn't get it all done in 1 day. Obvious troll move.

When i say i have opened 100s or 1000s of chests... i'm not exaggerating. I'm probably UNDER estimating my chest number. considering you can get a few hundred chests in a couple hours and i tried farming this for a few weeks.
I found ONE in a chest.... just 1.

Carbonised

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Carbonised wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

"Master difficulty chests and treasure map chests now have a greater chance of giving Buoyant Armiger motifs if you have the Treasure Hunter passive."

Can we call BS on this improved BA drop rate yet? Did they increase it from 0% chance to 0.0001%?

My chest farming route takes me around the entire map of Vvardenfell. Massive "U" shape.
On that route I estimate that I open 20-40 chests each cycle...depending on which ones repopulated.
Yesterday I ran approximately a dozen of those cycles. (maybe more) Another 5-10 cycles the day before.
I found at least 1 "master" level chest per cycle.
ZERO BA motifs.

That means i opened over 300 chests just YESTERDAY. 10-20 of those were Master chests. Even with the treasure hunter passive... i was unable to find a single motif page.

Got my full set in a day.... TY RNJESUS

Most obvious lie I've seen here on the forums. 2-3 hours of extreme grinding may grant you 1 motif page. Times 13 pages, times all the times you find a duplicate. Even if sat at your computer for 24 hours straight not even taking a leak at the bathroom, you wouldn't find every page for the motif.

I got the full motif and about 6-7 spare pages, and it took me about 4 weeks of focused and very time consuming grinding.

So nice try mate, now pull the other one.

Nope I had 3 other people in my guild farming for them and we hooked each other up GG kid

Yeah, you're obviously lying through your teeth. Even if you did have 3 other people farming them, you would have to make pains to be in 4 different instances of the map, or you would just run across empty chests spots. The chests do not respawn so fast that 4 people can farm them in the same instance. And even THEN the droprate is so small that you wouldn't get 13 motifs on 4 people in 24 hrs. Let alone 13 DIFFERENT motif pages and no copies.

Nice try, now pull the third one.

It's obvious you're just trolling trying to make people jelly, well tell you what bro, I'm not jelly, I already got the full book learned and selling all my spares for a fortune. How about that.

Cpt_Teemo

You need 14 pages not 13 per motif set.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

i used to farm for 1 month daily 15 hours and yet I still miss 9 pages... I got so tired and bored as hell since is the only motif im missing...sry but this is utter garbage in terms of drop ratings...

I still say farming that one 4/5 Sith WP on Swg Live was 100000x worse, some people spent years and still haven't found it when the game was still up

krachall

I'm well over 1000 chests and haven't seen one yet.

I'm also at 80+ dailies for ONE morag tong motif.

Integral1900

When I first saw this armour on those guards I wanted it so badly, however things have rather changed

No way it’s worth that much effort, I did think about using gold but with prices starting at a quarter of a million it just doesn’t make sense. The final nail in the coffin came when it appeared in gamble crates, thus explaining the drop rate, but also the preview option allowed me to see what it looked like on my big nord.... lmao

Baaaaaaaaddddddddd

This was clearly designed for a small charecter like a wood elf, anything bulkier and it just turns into lousy joke fantasy armour design 101. I can’t comprehend how the same people who made the crafted version of heaven ebony armour made this utterly impractical mess. Ebony is stylish as hell and covers the whole body, this thing covers a few bits and pieces like ice bergs floating around the sea. Huge let down

SinfulPrinc3ss

I dont run treasure hunter on my main who I farm with. Ive completed vvardenfell and everything else, still have found 0 BA motifs in a chest...got it all in 1 day thanks to a crown crate (only time ive ever got something decent). Even ran a route or 2 for hours hitting loads of chests and just getting shards for glass

*edited for fat fingers hitting wrong keys*

Whiphid

Carbonised wrote: »

The chests do not respawn so fast that 4 people can farm them in the same instance.

This is the worst part of it, that it come from a shared source, with people leaving the trash in chests as they go along. At least cabinets are instanced. I got 2 pieces from nHOF chests, thats all. If ZOS wants to monetize this stuff, like the furniture, they should put it in the crown store already. I skipped it with the last rounds of crates, since it had little use due to the state of crafted gear vs dropped. But with outfitting coming up...

Onigar

In all my farming for BA motivs I only had drops from intermediate (mainly) and a few advanced, after about 10 the Master chests and no motiv i started taking mental note, and to date I stil wait to see a motiv come from a master chest.

I chat with others farming too and they say intermediate drops are most common.

Maybe there is nothing wrong with the master chest drop rate as there are a lot more intermediate than advanced or master it makes sense then I suppose for intermediate to give best (noticeable) drops.

It could be its just our expectations for master chests that needs to be reduced.

Onigar

Kusandru wrote: »

I've been getting them for a while. But my drop rate seems to be farming for hours every day and then only getting 1, once every 2-3 weeks. Doesn't matter what side of the map you're on either.

To be honest tho, since i'm farming them for profit, I'm glad the drop rate is so low - keeps the value high. Still, when they first came out they were worth over 200K each and have dropped to about 150K since Morrowind release and we're into January 2018 now. Compared to how fast the Telvani and Hlaalu motifs dropped, I don't mind the drop rate being so low for the buoyant armiger motifs. Besides, I farm nodes as i'm running from chest to chest, still getting items from chests worth money and then there's the deconning to produce more mats and for me, it's a win/win even if it's so long between picking up one of these motifs.

My question would be, is there a loot table limit for how often one can pick up one of these motifs? I know there is like a 50 minute wait time between when you can get a Hlaalu/Telvanni motif to having a chance of getting another of either of those. So far, for me at least, it's looking like there is possibly a 2 week limit as to how often you can get the Armiger motifs. Anyone else who can chime in and share how often you've been getting them, if you've been farming them w/ purpose?

This is something I have been wondering about too, I mean there is nothing lost if ZOS explicitly state there is / is not a "wait" or "cool down" timer like you suggest for Hlallu/Telvanni (would like to know your source for this info).

There is so much other things to do in this game having a wait period causes no issues I can see just we should know about it because otherwise it builds in unnecessary frustration as can be seen from this post and others on the same topic.

Any comment ZOS ?

LadyNalcarya

Whiphid wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

The chests do not respawn so fast that 4 people can farm them in the same instance.

This is the worst part of it, that it come from a shared source, with people leaving the trash in chests as they go along. At least cabinets are instanced. I got 2 pieces from nHOF chests, thats all. If ZOS wants to monetize this stuff, like the furniture, they should put it in the crown store already. I skipped it with the last rounds of crates, since it had little use due to the state of crafted gear vs dropped. But with outfitting coming up...

This.
Imo that's the main problem, its even worse than the drop rate itself.
I mean, I understand that they want the motif to be super rare... There are super rare drops in other games so its not unheard of. But the fact that the farming spots are limited and certain players can hinder respawns by leaving partially looted chests makes everything much worse. That means that you cant effectively farm chests if you only play in prime time. They are somewhat farmable at early mornings and maybe during the day, but those of use who cant play at these times are out of luck. I think its a huge design issue.

Arrodisia

The drop rate for the Buoyant Armiger Motif is still so abysmal, it seems as if it is non existant. Endless chest farming and zero motifs to show for it. It seems something might be wrong with the drop rates. I received the only 2 that I have during the event in the anniversary boxes, and they are currently way too expensive to buy for gold and only going up in price because they don't drop enough or at all.

xilfxlegion

Onigar wrote: »

Kusandru wrote: »

I've been getting them for a while. But my drop rate seems to be farming for hours every day and then only getting 1, once every 2-3 weeks. Doesn't matter what side of the map you're on either.

To be honest tho, since i'm farming them for profit, I'm glad the drop rate is so low - keeps the value high. Still, when they first came out they were worth over 200K each and have dropped to about 150K since Morrowind release and we're into January 2018 now. Compared to how fast the Telvani and Hlaalu motifs dropped, I don't mind the drop rate being so low for the buoyant armiger motifs. Besides, I farm nodes as i'm running from chest to chest, still getting items from chests worth money and then there's the deconning to produce more mats and for me, it's a win/win even if it's so long between picking up one of these motifs.

My question would be, is there a loot table limit for how often one can pick up one of these motifs? I know there is like a 50 minute wait time between when you can get a Hlaalu/Telvanni motif to having a chance of getting another of either of those. So far, for me at least, it's looking like there is possibly a 2 week limit as to how often you can get the Armiger motifs. Anyone else who can chime in and share how often you've been getting them, if you've been farming them w/ purpose?

This is something I have been wondering about too, I mean there is nothing lost if ZOS explicitly state there is / is not a "wait" or "cool down" timer like you suggest for Hlallu/Telvanni (would like to know your source for this info).

There is so much other things to do in this game having a wait period causes no issues I can see just we should know about it because otherwise it builds in unnecessary frustration as can be seen from this post and others on the same topic.

Any comment ZOS ?

There is no cooldown. i have gotten 2 from 5 maps, within minutes of each other

xilfxlegion

i buy all the maps i can find, and i usually get 1 page from every 10 or so maps.


on a side note --- i have never gotten a page from a master chest -- the only thing i get from them is warrior poet junk

TequilaFire

Having BA rare is one thing, but 7 vouchers for crafting a BA bow?
Really ZOS?

BozzyTheDrummer

Yo_Donno wrote: »

I personally like the drop rate. It keeps the price for them high that way dedicated farmers like me who spend tons of their playtime doing chests can sell them for a lot. Don't want to crash the market with drastically increased supply.

I have found zero in the last year and I still would not change the drop rate. I feel like I will always have something to do and look for.

Ragged_Claw

I've had Morrowind since it launched and I've still never found one, even with all the achievements unlocked, treasure hunter passive, treasure maps. I got my first and only one from the event boxes. Even having a go at farming them yielded nothing but trash and I got bored after three solid days of it. I was excited to see the style in the beta and thought 'I've got to get that!' But that was soooo long ago, I no longer care.

xilfxlegion

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

I've had Morrowind since it launched and I've still never found one, even with all the achievements unlocked, treasure hunter passive, treasure maps. I got my first and only one from the event boxes. Even having a go at farming them yielded nothing but trash and I got bored after three solid days of it. I was excited to see the style in the beta and thought 'I've got to get that!' But that was soooo long ago, I no longer care.

i started farming them because they were going for insane amounts of gold. i bought the gold book for 200 gems in the crown store when it was up so every page is profit.

i also got about 20 pages from the event.

starkerealm

TequilaFire wrote: »

Having BA rare is one thing, but 7 vouchers for crafting a BA bow?
Really ZOS?

Yeah, the style stones aren't that rare, just the motif pages. There's a lot of master writs I wouldn't even consider doing if you don't already have the motif.

MLGProPlayer

This motif is worth pennies after the anniversary event. You can just buy all the pages you need from traders.