OH NOES AN INCENTIVE TO PVP

Gotta give incentive to pvp else it will continue to fall into the abyss of nothingness.

VMA weapons were incentive for me to learn and complete it even though the vast majority of time I spend in eso is pvping.

PVP is a way to go for Crystals!

I wasted around 20 days doing PVE and had like 80 Crystals!

been in PVP for around a month and have most of weapons/gear transmuted!

Do I get them for being emperor of wall repair?

I’m so disinterested in Cyrodiil combat at this point.

jabrone77 wrote: »

I just want to give a big thumbs up to the PvP community here.
During the dungeon event, I just heard complaint after complaint about PvP'ers running dungeons and how everyone had to carry them...blah blah blah...
And yet, not once in this post has any PvP'er complained about being forced to carry a PvE'er so they can get thier transmute crystals. If anything, I've seen how it's used to encourage more players to try it, instead of saying "You don't belong here...stay out!"
I know PvP gets the toxic label too often..but in this case, it's not so.
Good on you guys!

Of course they're not going to complain, they want PVEers because they're easy kills! Like sheep in a wolf's den, why would the wolves complain?

Pve earns wayyyyy more gold than doing pvp

The whole thing wouldn't be so galling of the probability of the geodes wouldn't be so messed up. The chances are so weighted to the low end that most of the time you just get the absolute minimum of crystals. I've yet to see crystals drop in the upper quantities of the geodes.

How is this still a conversation?

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jabrone77 wrote: »

I just want to give a big thumbs up to the PvP community here.
During the dungeon event, I just heard complaint after complaint about PvP'ers running dungeons and how everyone had to carry them...blah blah blah...
And yet, not once in this post has any PvP'er complained about being forced to carry a PvE'er so they can get thier transmute crystals. If anything, I've seen how it's used to encourage more players to try it, instead of saying "You don't belong here...stay out!"
I know PvP gets the toxic label too often..but in this case, it's not so.
Good on you guys!

This is almost the core of the issue. There are no pve'ers or pvp'ers;
There are people who pay the whole game, or half the game, by thier own choice.

Even players who spend most of their time in pvp spend a lot of tine in pve too. I myself am in 2 end game pve trial guilds, 2 pvp guilds and have many vma completes under my belt, while the majority of my playtime is spent in cyrodiil.

Zos has made a rare strong choice here; cyrodiil, at least on na/pc is very weak in terms of players. We can only fill a campaign at night. Rarely during the day.
The only reason i continue to see players having issues is bc they are simply afraid of dying in pvp. I personally find this silly. Its pvp, expect to die. Once u get over that and start to spend more time in cyrodiil, u may find more friends and tons of fun.

I recently faught a player in cyro, random 1v1 occurance, i whispered him to give some tips and he informed me that he suffered from a stroke and can barely play due to physical limitations but still has a lot of fun. I wished him well and we went on our ways.
Ya'll self proclaimed "pve'ers" who "i dont pvp" should take a page from this dude imho, just que in, find a fight, and enjoy it untill u die, then rez up and find another fight. Give it a few weeks and care a little bit about ur gear and tactics and i garantee u will still die, but have a lot of fun before u do.
Oh
And welcome to cyrodiil.
Read this:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/360956/joy-s-advice-for-midyear-mayhem-event/p1

Thank @Joy_Division for his help
Go have fun.

People are way too emotional about this issue.

PVE should get a boost in drops (at least). I do agree that PVE players should do more PVP and vice versa. I enjoy both and im TERRIBLE against another player. I know other players will enjoy it if they just give it a try.

Vaoh wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

It's a good thing, actually. It encourages players to PvP for things they need in PvE, just like PvPers are encouraged to PvE for things they need in PvP.

Wasn’t this considered really annoying and a massive failure for the longest time? We had a Cyro vendor added to help PvPers due to the same sort of issue....

Now that something as important as transmute crystals gets added and PvE is screwed over it’s all fine by the PvPers

I’m just surprised how selfishly split this community is. Neither side cares how much they mess with the other whether balance or loot is affected.

Actually, I care quite a bit about both sides of this game, as I play both. I'm competitive in both, and distribute my time equally in both. I play in a team with some of the highest trial scores, and I play in a competitive PvP guild (and have an AR50 and several other high rank characters). Again, I care about both sides and I see both sides from a very balanced point of view, as I am not biased towards either.

A vendor was added, yes, but we must all wait a week for RNG to determine if we might get that gold piece of jewelry we want or the monster helm/shoulder we want. Even then, it is much more efficient to just go and grind out the helm/shoulder you need, and then wait to see if something nice will end up in gold jewelry. Still waiting for gold spc.....

PvE has far more rewards than PvP as well. I can go run trials for 3 hours and make a minimum of 50k gold, plus decon lots of purple gear I don't need, which gives me mats to then go sell. In a decent night of PvE raiding for me, I can make 150k easily. In the overland worlds I can then farm gear pieces from bosses, sell those, make quite a bit of profit.

A PvP player who needs an undaunted shoulder, and we particularly saw this with the addition of Earthgore, will have to go and do pledges, so they can get keys to obtain the shoulder they need, which could end up being weeks on end of pledges in content they don't particularly care for.

In PvP I can make 200k-300k AP in 3-6 hours depending on the action on the map that session, and possibly go sell a militant or akaviri motif for 20-40k (general price for the smaller pieces on pc/na). Tel-Var still doesn't count because the most effective way to farm it is by...PvEing. Previous to the crystals dropping for the RFTW mails, there was no point to these mails; no one cared for what came from them. There were almost no rewards for PvP. Now there is an incentive, and there is no issue with that. PvE players are not "screwed over", you can still grind out crystals in PvE if you wanted to. There is no split, it's just quite literally that PvP did NOT have any decent rewards prior to this.

We can also look at some of the necessary skills and passives for both PvE and PvP. We have vigor, warhorn, purge, orbs, and UD passives. These cross into both worlds, right? It literally takes maybe an hour or two of repairing some walls to get the ones unlocked from PvP. I know because I've done it. While UD was made easier to get, it will still take you running through all the normal versions, then the vet versions of the dungeons, and some pledges if you still need some more. That is a massive chunk of time, but it is extremely necessary. Compared to how easy it became to get the Alliance War skills, I'd say that to be PvP ready you have to spend way more time in PvE than the other way around.

Let's not even get started on the actual gear most PvPers need, a lot of which needs to be farmed from dungeons. Which is fine. I think it's GOOD that PvPers have to go PvE for gear they need.

So PvP gives extra crystals. Again, I think this is a good thing. It now results in more incentive for players to go into Cyrodiil. And, even then, you can still repair walls for them if you really wanted to without ever engaging in a player vs. player situation.

helediron wrote: »

The transmutation is bypassing crafters completely. The crystals should drop at least from writs.

I thought transmutation was a crafting system. A crafter receiving zero crystals from hirelings/writs/master-writs makes zero sense. Maybe transmutation is a PVP system, I do not know any more.

Kanar wrote: »

So?

Seriously, why whine about it? Does it really bother you so much that you want zos to nerf PvP crystal gain? (Because that's who the balancing bat would be swung).

Considering most of the PvE nerfs were due to PvPers crying, yes. I support this "Nerf"